Kimbers good for carry or not


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XDGirl
July 29, 2008, 04:56 PM
My boyfriend is wanting to get a Kimber for CC. I was told by a guy at the range that owns a gun store. That if you buy a kimber you have to put at lease 1000 rounds through it before you use it for a carry gun. Is this true or not?

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blgoode
July 29, 2008, 05:03 PM
I have a Pre Series II that I had to file the slidestop down on before it would run 100%. After thatw as done...she is 100%

Tarvis
July 29, 2008, 05:38 PM
The Kimber's I've held at the store would not release the slide using normal force without pulling back on the slide. I'm not positive, but it seems like if it is not functioning properly at the store, it is not going to function properly until something changes with the geometry. I think that a break-in period of 2 boxes or so is reasonable for a new 1911, but 1000 rounds to make a gun run like it's supposed to is horse puckey. It seems like a good 1911 gunsmith could fix the problem in no time.

Dobe
July 29, 2008, 05:43 PM
I don't believe any gun should have to go through a break in period. That's the factory having us do their job.

That doesn't mean we shouldn't put a couple hundred through a handgun to make sure they have done their job properly.

I own 5 pre Series II Kimbers. I would carry any of them with confidence. I own one Series II. I am not crazy about the Swartz system, and I have had trouble with it, if I do not fully depress the grip safety..

aji
July 29, 2008, 05:54 PM
Carry a Kimber Ultra CDP II 3". Broke it in with 100 rounds of FMJ and 50 rounds of JHP. It has been flawless.

blgoode
July 29, 2008, 05:54 PM
My slide stop was prematurely getting activated bt the rounds in he magazine. Filed it back and its good to go. My EDC in the summer!

rduckwor
July 29, 2008, 06:09 PM
Kimber's have the reputation of spotty function without a loving touch here and there by a gunsmith when new.

However, many have them and love them and in fairness, I wouldn't trust any 1911 platform that I hadn't put at least 500 round thru as a defensive weapon - Kimber, SIG, STI, Nighthawk, Brown. You name them. 1911's need to prove their function as everybody has had a shot at redesigning what was an already good design from JMB. Some were less successful than was he.

<EDIT> That being said, I have a friend with a Kimber at the +100,000 round mark. Once it starts running, they are hard to stop.

RMD

Old Grump
July 29, 2008, 06:10 PM
Most take considerably less as long as its properly cleaned and lubed as per directions. Do not over lubricate, more is not better and less than 200 rounds will more than likely be all the break in you need. A few trips to the range to get sighted in and familiar with the weapon and skill building will be more than enough rounds. In other words, clean, lube, shoot, repeat process.

steelyblue
July 29, 2008, 06:25 PM
I would say that if nothing happens in the break in period, you are good to go. I have three Kimbers that have over 2000 rounds each with no issues. They shoot JHP and FMJ ammo just fine. I would trust my life to any of them. I've never heard 1000 rounds before, but that would certainly put your mind at ease. I would still carry it before the 1000 rounds were finished if it was my only CCW. Its better to have a gun that will most likely work, than pointing your finger and saying, "bang."

sevin8nin
July 29, 2008, 06:44 PM
I just read an article from larry vickers recently on shooting/owning a 1911. I don't have it in front of me but one of his quotes was something along these lines: if you aren't interested in learning about the function of your pistol and keeping tabs on all the important parts, then buy a glock.

My S&W 1911 worked right out of the box and has every round since then, even after taking modifications from me.
My springfield EMP has never had a single problem, and the fit and finish is amazing.
My springfield champion operator, while being gorgeous and having a really tight fit and finish, gave me some sass. But because I took the time to learn how the firearm worked and "what made it tick" I was able to assess the issue, and fix it myself.

I don't know that there's any 1911 manufacturer out there that can make a flawless 1911 100% of the time. That being said, it's more about personal dedication to carrying/owning a weapon like the 1911 the matters, and possibly customer support from the manufacturer.

I handled a Kimber pro CDP the other day at a store and actually I didn't like it. The thumb safety was way too stiff and the barrel lock up didn't feel very tight. I also didn't like it's recoil assembly and thought the plastic main spring housing was cheezy for such an expensive gun.

tblt
July 29, 2008, 06:56 PM
No they are very tight and can jam more often than other guns.
I would shoot 2000 rounds before I even considered carrying it.

joesolo
July 29, 2008, 07:32 PM
the way I read this at first was more an issue of carrying/using a 1911 (think thumb safety) and not an issue of break-in period. With that in mind I have tried to practice and get comfortable with the 1911s safety but always go back to a DA or DAO gun. Anyway, could the guy at the range have been referring to familiarity with a 1911 platform?

Defensory
July 30, 2008, 04:36 AM
It is NOT true that you have to put at least 1000 rounds through a Kimber, in order to break it in properly.

Kimber owner manuals recommend a break-in period of 400 to 500 rounds, using quality factory ball (230 grain, full metal jacket) ammunition. They also recommend cleaning and lubricating the gun every 100 to 150 rounds during the break-in period.

http://209.85.215.104/search?q=cache:FAQ85pJrpDAJ:www.kimberamerica.com/downloads/Manuals/Compact.pdf+kimber+manual&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&client=firefox-a

Joshua M. Smith
July 30, 2008, 04:49 AM
If it's reliable with 50 rounds, carry it. If, within the first 50 rounds, it malfs, put another 100 through it.

In all honesty, I believe that shooting it enough to get familiar with it is plenty to break it in.

That said, I tend to get very familiar with my pistols.

Josh <><

chieftain
July 30, 2008, 08:52 AM
I don't believe any semi-automatic pistol is broke in until 1000 rounds have been sent down range by the weapon.

Glock, SIG, S&W, Kahr,Kimber, Colt, Kel-Tec, Walther, Ruger. Browning, FN, they all need to be shot in. When you acquire a new weapon, before round number 1 goes down the pipe, you should take the weapon down to it's smallest components, clean, lube, inspect and if need be repaired or tweak the parts with a kiss of a file or stone to the parts that are not just right. Then lube her up and take that new fangled noise maker to the ranges, and shoot the hell out of it.

To be trusted enough to fight the weapon, I require a thousand rounds. Some pro's I know, both LEO and Military require many more.

Revolvers on the other hand, 50 rounds will do it. I am an ole' Smith guy. but with todays S&W's the only revolver I would consider trusting out of the box is the GP101, Redhawk, and the 101. My old original S&SW's, some over 60 years old, I would have trusted out of the box too. But no longer.

but a semi Auto, no less than 1000 rounds IMNSHO. That applied 40 years ago, it applies today too. In fact I haven't seen an increase in many firearms being sold today, over the weapons of yesteryear. By the way, even one FTF, requires the count to be reset to zero, for function testing the weapon, another 1000 would be required to be shot. Besides it allows you to learn your weapon better too.

Weapons in general, even rifles and shotguns work much better after shooting a bunch too.

By the way of that 1000 rounds, you got to suck up the coast and run at least a couple hundred of your carry rounds through the magazines and guns you will carry to fight with.

THERE IS NO DOWN SIDE TO RUNNING 1000 ROUNDS THROUGH YOUR WEAPON. Some real highspeed guys I know require 2000 or 2500 rounds before they deem a weapon to be fit to fight with. This is normally not done at one sitting. Usually you would want at the very least 4 or so different visits. Each time taking the weapon all the way down and inspecting and checking on wear, tolerances, how things are holding up, more cleaning and of course lubrication.

But that is professional behavior.

By the way, if this is a non fighting gun or, as I call mine I don't plan to fight with, a 'toys'.

Go figure.

Fred

Ske1etor
July 30, 2008, 08:56 AM
Put it this way, I wouldn't carry a Wilson Combat without putting 1000 through it first. Infact, I wouldn't carry a Glock without putting 1000 through it first. A firearm has to prove to ME that it performs like is supposed to. Just because some guy in a gunshop said it is good to go straight out of the box means nothing to me.

That said, I carry a Kimber Custom II... and on occasion, a Springfield XD-40

CHEVELLE427
July 30, 2008, 09:20 AM
if i had to put 1000 rounds through it just to make it dependable,
I DONT WANT IT, but running some to test it and make sure it will work when you need it to im all for

SORTA LIKE BUYING THAT BIG TRUCK TO TOW A TRAILER BUT YOU HAVE TO WAIT FOR 1000 MILES TO DO SO.

If I bought the truck to tow, it is for now not later, just like the gun it is to go to work now not down the road.

I will put a box or 2 through it just to make sure it goes bang and not boom. and i make sure i take it to the range with me when i go. but it will only see rounds i carry in the gun as the others will get all kinds of ammo run, because this one gun has a different job then the rest, it has to be there for me when i need it, 1,000-100,000 most all guns will act up sooner then later.

XD GIRL you cant get him into an XD?:D

Walkalong
July 30, 2008, 09:38 AM
No manufacturer makes 100% of their guns reliable straight out of the box, none. Too many variables. Any gun needs to be shot some to prove itself. No gun should have to be shot 1000 rounds to make it depenable.

I have a Kimber CDP II Ultra that I carry sometimes. It has been flawless from round one with a variety of HP's, TrFP's, & SWC's in variuos weights. I have shot 4 or 5 hundred rounds through it. That instills confidence right there. Yes, FLAWLESS from ROUND ONE.

I have other 1911's from other makers that have done the same thing. Those guns, the ones you don't have to make excuses for, are the kind one feels comfortable carrying. :)

My XD SC in .40 has been the same way. I take it in the car with me a lot, and if I get out, it goes with me.

M2 Carbine
July 30, 2008, 12:05 PM
I was told by a guy at the range that owns a gun store. That if you buy a kimber you have to put at lease 1000 rounds through it before you use it for a carry gun. Is this true or not?

No, it's not true.

I've got five Kimbers and friends have another nine or ten. The only ones that required a break in was the Eclipse. A couple hundred rounds got them working fine.

The last Kimber I bought is the Ultra Covert II. It's a tight Custom Shop gun and I fully expected it to have some failures in the first 100-200 rounds.
I took it straight from the box to the firing line and began counting the rounds through it.
After a couple days I got tired of keeping track at about 350 rounds.
And that was with the Kimber factory magazine.

This Covert is fast becoming a favorite gun, although I just can't get to like the color of those grips.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Bell406_206B/Kimberironsights.jpg

Vern Humphrey
July 30, 2008, 12:43 PM
My pre-MKII never required a break in. It shot well from the start. But I put about 1000 rounds through it before I retired my M1927 Argentine, which was my previous carry gun.

chieftain
July 31, 2008, 08:35 AM
if i had to put 1000 rounds through it just to make it dependable,
I DONT WANT IT, but running some to test it and make sure it will work when you need it to im all for

And another fellow stated:

No gun should have to be shot 1000 rounds to make it depenable.

Let's just assume they read what I and several others in fact said wrong. Otherwise...........

Any fire arm, should be well tested before it is put on the line to where your life may rely on it. I find a minimum number of rounds to be 1000 for a semi or full auto weapon. Some other professionals I know use 2000 and some 2500 rounds.

But that is just professionals.

It don't matter who made it either. Of my Carry SIG's 226,228,229 (except the 229, they are all German made stamped slide models) all passed the test, but the 225 or several 220's did not. I have yet to have any Glock besides the model 17 pass the tests. And one of them did not make it. I have only had one 1911 not pass the test. Several like a few of the Glocks, have required tweaks or mods to make it though. Each breakage, mod, or tweak meant going back to round 1 for the 1000 round test.

Shot an endurance shoot of 1000 rounds in one day earlier this year. The three guns that went 1000 rounds with no FTF's were a SIG 239, Glock 26, and a Colt Commander. Tied for second place were 4 more guns, a Glock 17, Kimber Warrior (my second one), and a Les Baer TRS, and a Springfield EMP all with two FTF's. Mine happened at round 39, and 46. I believe I caused them but a ftf is a ftf. Reason don't matter. That restarted the count. That Warrior is now safely over the 1300 rounds since the last FTF during that shoot, and now has about 4200 rounds total through her. My #1 Warrior total round count is about 11,700 with no FTF's. The highest round count of any of my fighting weapons is my SIG 228 at 37,500 rounds with one FTF due to a WWB winchester round with the primer in backward. ( I got two boxes of ammo from them boys for that about 12 years ago) I don't shoot that weapon anymore because of some medical problems. That is why I went back to carrying the ole Colt Governments. For the rail versions I rely on the two Kimber Warriors I have.

Most of the guns in these endurance shoots have been Glocks and 1911's. Earlier last year this same group had a shoot and the two winners was a Colt Government and a Glock 17. IIRC All the other folks 11 Glocks and IIRC 7 1911's. These are facts, not opinions.

Several of my friends have had luck with HK's. I know some LEO friends have had luck with a couple of the new S&W M&P, but not all. CZ's are seeming to do pretty good too, but I don't have any. Haven't had any problems with my Highpowers either. Part of the problem with the XD's that do have problems is the the factory parts can be difficult to get. For all makes except SIG's the magazines have caused problems from time to time. The early Glock magazines gave a lot of problems. A Glock 19 I tried to get qualified, just couldn't do it. Turned out the 4th generation magazines were the pits. So far the latest gen mags seem to be working reliably. We will see.

The shooting of 1000 rounds with out any FTF doesn't MAKE the weapon reliable. It is a test and proves, to the operator who's life may depend on that particular weapon that it, that one weapon, will most likely work properly when called on to work.

Rather simple, unless one is trying to be obtuse.

Go figure.

Fred

Vern Humphrey
July 31, 2008, 08:49 AM
How many normal, practice range sessions does it take to shoot a thousand rounds? Not many!

combatantr2
July 31, 2008, 08:54 AM
A 1000round break in period is hogwash. It just took me 20rounds of hardball to condition my norinco :) and 50rounds of JHP of remington. All worked well. I chose to carry FMJs/hardball. I just cant believe that for a pistol to work properly you need 500 to 1000rounds to break them to make sure they're reliable.

chieftain
July 31, 2008, 09:00 AM
Depends, if there are any ftf, it can take a long time. Usually the time is spent checking what the problem is. Small problem not long.

I like to use at least 4 sessions. So I can tear the weapon down between sessions to check for breakage, improper wear, or any other problems that may need parts, springs, tweaks etc.

That is my methods. Some are more stringent some are less.

It is a self imposed test, used it as wisely as you think you should.

I have found that folks who take fighting their weapons seriously tend to put a lot more effort in this than those who don't. Remember in this test, unless others are counting on you in that potential fight, the only person who may pay the price is you. How much of your time is worth, well, you.

Good luck.

Fred

Vern Humphrey
July 31, 2008, 09:00 AM
We ought to distinguish between "breaking in" on the one hand, and reliability testing on the other.

The first term implies loosening up the pistol through use, wearing off possible burrs and so on. The second implies simply shooting it enough to determine if it is prone to stoppages.

Surely, no one would take a pistol right out of the box, wipe it with a handkerchief, load it and carry it without ever firing it. The question is, how many rounds do you fire before you feel comfortable with the gun?

Walkalong
July 31, 2008, 09:34 AM
And another fellow stated:

Quote:
No gun should have to be shot 1000 rounds to make it dependable.
Yep. It should not have to be shot that much to make it dependable. To prove its dependability is another thing entirely.

We ought to distinguish between "breaking in" on the one hand, and reliability testing on the other.

That is exaclty what I am talking about. What round count is good enough to prove to you a gun is dependable is subjective and open to debate. I am saying it should not take 1000 rounds to make it work. I won't question anyones opinion on how many rounds to prove it reliable. To each their own on that one. :)

CHEVELLE427
July 31, 2008, 09:34 AM
i can see that most think you need to put $1200 worth of ammo through that new $500-1500 gun just to make sure it is dependable. this might be the proper way to get an idea if your gun will be a good one or not,

however most guns that are bought most likely will never see over 100 rounds (much less cleaned) until there stolen or sold to a shooter.
As with any man made item it can/will fail at some point.

i have a SF 1911-A1 i bought back in 1980s. i have put many thousand rounds through it ,and have never had a FTF (as some listed above have), did have a K-BOOM from some fact reload ammo, only damage was to the mag and my hand.
still to this day this gun has given me no problems .do i trust it to work if i need it to, yes. will i carry it for self protection over something newer i have, no.
IM sure guns last a very long time.
but a gun with a few thousand rounds down the pipe and one with a few hundred have both showed they will both fire. this could be a 2 sided blade, the newer gun has not had many thousand rounds shot but the new one also has not received much were and tear either.
neither gun can be 100% trusted. again there all man made.
like buying a new car instead of a used one, new has a warranty but the used is broken in. both worked the day you bought them but both will and have been in the shop.

i have many hand guns , and it does not take many rounds to see what one not to grab FIRST in case SHTF.

I guess if the SHTF and my 1911 was on the table and my newer XD45 was also there. I would grab the XD first. even though the 1911 has proven itself the XD has less were and tear. AND HOLDS MORE.;)

WELL THIS IS MY DIMES WORTH :rolleyes:

stevereno1
July 31, 2008, 10:56 AM
The Slide stop is a "SLIDE STOP" not a Slide release! Proper resease of the slide utilizes the practice of grasping the slide with a firm grip, pulling it rearward briskly, and letting go of the slide.

CHEVELLE427
July 31, 2008, 11:37 AM
The Slide stop is a "SLIDE STOP" not a Slide release! Proper resease of the slide utilizes the practice of grasping the slide with a firm grip, pulling it rearward briskly, and letting go of the slide.

SO TRUE.
It also has an effect on some guns to run.

this is why after just a few times useing it as a release on a BABY EAGLE (maybe others as well). the slide wont stay locked back anymore. it weres the stop on the mag down.

Frank Ettin
July 31, 2008, 11:59 AM
I agree that the idea of a "break-in" period is (or should be) a red herring. But I generally still would not consider using a pistol for self defense until I have put it through a shakedown of at least 1,000 rounds -- using a variety of ammunition, including anything I'd plan to load it with for self defense.

The shakedown is to serve two purposes. First, it will identify any problem that may need to be remedied (on warranty). A gun is a mechanical device, and like a car, it may be delivered with faults that the maker should be expected to fix. A proper shakedown will surface any such faults so that they can be attended to. And second, a proper shakedown allows me to become thoroughly familiar with the gun.

BlindJustice
July 31, 2008, 12:20 PM
From the title I thought it was a mattter of whether a
1911 is an appropriate carry/ccw choice However I think
the 1,000 rds 'break in' is over the top excessive. imo.

Randall

possum
July 31, 2008, 12:56 PM
though it is not required, i test my guns alot before i descide to carry them, i go the factory recomended amount of rds and then some, and i extensivly test any ammo that i will be carrying in it, but other than that you are good to go.

Vern Humphrey
July 31, 2008, 01:18 PM
Good point -- it's not only the gun, but the ammo as well that you want to test thoroughly.

springmom
July 31, 2008, 03:35 PM
No, it's not true. My Kimber Ultra Carry II was reliable from day one.

Springmom

Defensory
July 31, 2008, 05:12 PM
A very high percentage of semi-auto malfunctions are caused by either bad ammo or defective magazines. Usually the gun itself is good as gold.

If you've just bought your first semi-auto and aren't familiar with how it functions, and you're having a problem with malfunctions, don't go blaming the gun and manufacturer until the problem has been correctly diagnosed.

If you don't have an experienced friend or acquaintance to help you figure out the problem, call the manufacturer. Probably 9 times out of ten, they can recommend corrective action right over the phone. If you're the unlucky one out of ten, you'll have to ship the gun to them for examination and repair.

The Golden Rules of gun break-in periods:

1. ALWAYS use brand new full metal jacket ammo from a major manufacturer like Federal, Remington or Winchester. AVOID handloads, reloads and remanufactured ammo. If you choose to break this rule and use reloads etc., don't be surprised when you get frequent malfunctions, and don't try to blame the gun or manufacturer.

2. If you're experiencing feed problems, test the gun using other magazines (smart semi-auto owners always have several spare mags on hand). If the gun feeds fine with the other magazines, you know you've got a magazine that needs to be repaired or replaced.

3. Fire at least one hundred consecutive rounds from each magazine, before testing the next one. All magazines should be tested in this manner. If there are no malfunctions after 100 rounds, you can be reasonably sure that it's a good magazine. After the break-in period, any time you go to the range, use all your magazines during a firing session. Don't just use and keep reloading the same magazine every trip to the range. This ensures that you know all of your magazines are functioning properly.

Defensory
July 31, 2008, 05:41 PM
Posted by Springmom:
My Kimber Ultra Carry II was reliable from day one.

As are the vast majority of Kimber handguns.

I've found that the overwhelming majority of complaints about Kimber emanate from Springfield and Colt fanboys who've never owned a Kimber, and haven't even ever shot one.

Kimber didn't become the world's leading manufacturer of 1911 and 1911-style pistols, by offering a "defective" product. Springfield and Colt have been in business MUCH longer, and both possess powerful marketing departments. Yet the "new kid on the block", Kimber, overtook and passed them in sales in a relatively short period of time.

I'm not trashing Springfield and Colt (S&C), because I've owned multiple models of both brands. From personal experience, and from listening to S&C owners at my range, and reading their posts on the internet---I've found that S&C have had AT LEAST as many quality control issues with their 1911's over the years as Kimber has.

In an age of mass production and rising manufacturing costs, it is INEVITABLE that firearms with defects will occasionally come off the assembly line and end up in the hands of gun buyers. That's regardless of the manufacturer, whether it be Colt, Springfield, Smith & Wesson, Glock, SIG, HK, Kimber etc.

DougDubya
July 31, 2008, 06:17 PM
I don't see why 1000 rounds before carrying it is a bad idea. Generally, it's 200 rounds with your specific combat load which is necessary to insure that it won't gag on what you're shooting through it.

However, 1000 rounds is enough to familiarize you with the intricacies of the pistol. Shooting is a perishable skill, and 1000 rounds is a fine refresher, and while it can be expensive with current ammunition costs, it's also fun.

sig228
July 31, 2008, 11:15 PM
Just go with the internal extractors on the Series II models.

Walkalong
August 1, 2008, 09:15 AM
Posted by Springmom:
My Kimber Ultra Carry II was reliable from day one. - as was my CDP II Ultra.

I did not "break it in" with FMJ either. I started with multiple weights of SWC's, TrFP's, & JHP's of various design. Narry a bobble from round one, and I gave it every chance in the world to fail.

I hope my new to me Colt Officers Model .45 does as well. I will see this weekend. :)

Phil DeGraves
August 1, 2008, 01:30 PM
My Kimbers have always worked fine right from the box.

That being said...I don't see why 1000 rounds before carrying it is a bad idea.

It's called practice and developing faith in the system.

Black Majik
August 1, 2008, 01:35 PM
Yeah, they're good. I carry a Pre-Series II Classic Royal though. I believe the large problem was Kimber's crappy external extractor that caused the most pain. While I prefer the S80 FPS, if the gun runs with the Schwartz safety I wouldn't have any qualms of carrying it either.

steelyblue
August 1, 2008, 04:04 PM
There were only a limited number of external extractor pistols. They abandoned that component rather quickly. There are still some floating around, but I wouldn't buy one unless it was dirt cheap. Then I would send it to Kimber for a new slide w/internal extractor for free. I had the swartz on my Eclipse cause 2 failures to fire. My loose grip caused a light strike on the primers. I putt the round back through the gun and they fired just fine. All you need to dissable the swartz is a regular series 70 or 80 firing pin.

DougDubya
August 1, 2008, 04:37 PM
I don't see why 1000 rounds before carrying it is a bad idea.
It's called practice and developing faith in the system.

PRECISELY.

Sure, it's expensive, which is why only 1/5 th should be the carry load, and the rest inexpensive practice ammunition.

Practice is good, and fun, and mental or something.

mattk
August 1, 2008, 06:24 PM
I carry a Kimber in 9mm. The only time it hasn't worked the exact way its supposed is when I use my old Pachmyer mag. It does not lock the slide back.

This gun is very accurate and extremely easy for me to shoot well.

Most malfunctions in semi autos are caused by a few things: Bad mags, bad ammo, or user error.
Occasionaly every manufacturor turns out a lemon not matter what the industry. Kimber sells alot of 1911s.

ANVILFIRE
August 1, 2008, 09:22 PM
I've never heard of a gun salesman not wanting to sell a Kimber.:confused:

kcshooter
August 2, 2008, 12:13 AM
I carry a Kimber daily. But I put at least 500-800 rounds thru a gun before I'll carry it anyway, no matter what it is.

However, there's no reason for the gun store clerk to state such a thing. Take anything a gun store clerk says very lightly. So are very good. Most are not.



Proper resease of the slide utilizes the practice of grasping the slide with a firm grip, pulling it rearward briskly, and letting go of the slideNot true. While this is one method, it is perfectly acceptable to release the slide sto with the thumb of the left hand that just replaced the magazine. Always has been. Either way is just fine. I draw my slid eback for consistancy's sake.

however most guns that are bought most likely will never see over 100 rounds (much less cleaned) until there stolen or sold to a shooter.I don't understand this statement. What is this based on? 100 rounds?

CHEVELLE427
August 2, 2008, 12:44 AM
however most guns that are bought most likely will never see over 100 rounds (much less cleaned) until there stolen or sold to a shooter.

I don't understand this statement. What is this based on? 100 rounds?

Based on most guns I have bought lately have only been fired a few times. I.e. PT1911 just picked it up yesterday it had only had 2 mags run through it at the most . the followers didn't have any scratches to speak of on them.

I have see a lot of people will buy something they didn't need or cant shoot, then it will be up for sell so they can get something else. Seems to me a lot of trial and error.

after any major life changing thing (9/11, katrina, Ivan, gun hating politician)
people buy guns. last month ARs were the hot gun stores could not keep them in stock, this week hand guns are 14-1 over long guns. after jan there will be more used / new guns to be bought.

but this is just what i see,;)

blackcash88
August 3, 2008, 11:32 AM
All of my Kimbers run just fine.

I am not crazy about the Swartz system, and I have had trouble with it, if I do not fully depress the grip safety..

That firing pin block safety is very, very easy to remove or bypass.

boomstik45
August 21, 2009, 02:15 AM
I tend to fire a gun however many times it takes to feel comfortable shooting it accurately. First with both hands, and with either hand. Once I am used to the rhythm and feel of the gun, and can fire it accurately, I try for different kinds of handling: shooting faster, shooting from behind cover, things like that. Drawing from a holster (which tends to involve finding the right holster for the weapon and how I want to carry it). The whole time, I am recording how many stoppages I have and investigating why the stoppages occurred.

Since this varies from weapon to weapon, I can't nail down a specific number. Some guns take longer for me to feel comfortable and confident with them. Others seem to take no time at all (but I will put several rounds through them anyway). Comfort and accurate handling comes first.

KenW.
August 21, 2009, 10:20 AM
Like any pistol I buy, I send 1000 rounds down range before trusting it. My Kimber Tac Cust, II has been flawless, and its the one on my hip right now.

dev_null
August 21, 2009, 11:46 AM
Carried a Kimber Custom Classic for several years, no problems at all once I replaced the crap factory mag with Wilson 47D's. I'd still be carrying it if I hadn't moved (haven't got my Tx CCW yet).

GodGuns&Guitars
August 21, 2009, 11:55 AM
Friend of mine and I own 9 Kimbers between us. We've shot them from day one with no problems. We've even shot them upside down without hicups. I have carried one every day since 2003 and will continue to do so.

EHL
August 22, 2009, 02:44 AM
Did you guys notice that this thread is over a year old? Oh well, I'll chime in too. I've carried my Kimber Ultra Eclipse now for over 3 years now and have several thousands of rounds through it. Not one hiccup, except during the first hundred rounds, I had like to stovepipes. After that, I have fed it just about every single brand of FMJ, JHP and dirty reloads of varying weights and sizes. Not only has she delivered every time, but she has been super accurate. I get compliments from anybody that shoots it over how naturally it points and how accurate it is. I give two big thumbs up to Kimber for this little beauty!

TurboJeff
August 24, 2009, 09:20 AM
I own a Kimber Compact CDP II and a Tactical Custom II. These are my two main EDC guns. Both guns were very reliable out of the box, and they get smoother the more I shoot them. I have no reservations about carrying either.

gym
March 4, 2010, 11:59 PM
My Glocks all shot out of the box. So have most of my other guns over the last 40 years of carrying. I don't mind a couple hundred rounds for reliability. But a thousand rounds. Not unless they are deducting the cost of the ammo from the price. It should say on the box, "you need a case of ammo to get this sucker to function" no way. My Colts smiths and para's all worked fine after a box or two, if Kimber can't make their guns to shoot after a couple hundre rounds, I would send it back till it did. Sounds like lousy QC, I worked on Jets, and we never told the Air Force this thing won't fly till you run ten or fifteen tanks of jet fuel through it, a gun is a lot less complicated.

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