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j1979
July 30, 2008, 12:05 AM
Im a new/recent handgun owner, this is actually my first post, I purchased a GLOCK 22, really like it by the way. 700 flawless rounds so far. Figured it was a good starter pistol as far as ease of use and simplicity. Anyways I have been reading about CZ pistols. Are these things as nice as all the reviews I've been reading about them say? Im possibly interested in either a P-01 or the P-06. Anyone have some experience with these two in particular. Thanks

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1 old 0311
July 30, 2008, 12:06 AM
As nice? No! Better? HELL YES.:):):)

j1979
July 30, 2008, 12:10 AM
hmmm, might have to look into one. Is the P-06 as reliable as the P-01?

SureThing
July 30, 2008, 12:11 AM
Don't know yet. Sold my Glocks to buy CZ's but have actually never shot one. May be stupid I know, but I will keep you posted. I have 2 Cz's on they way.

j1979
July 30, 2008, 12:16 AM
Fill me in on what you think of them. Id be pretty hard pressed to get rid of my GLOCK, its my first handgun so I'll probably never sell it, and I shoot well with it. These CZ's really got me wondering though.

The Lone Haranguer
July 30, 2008, 12:32 AM
I have a PCR Compact and am very pleased with it. :)

Cheesewhiz
July 30, 2008, 12:37 AM
My P-01s are probably the best pistols overall that I have ever owned.

wizzegun
July 30, 2008, 12:42 AM
A G19 was my 1st handgun. I hated it and sent it down the road. I now have a SP-01 and 7 other CZ handguns. They are as good as everybody says they are. But Glock is also very good. Now that I am a much better shooter I can appreciate a Glock....and maybe regret getting rid of mine. Try the CZ, hang onto your Glock and then make your decision. One man's pleasure is another man's misery.

Juna
July 30, 2008, 12:47 AM
I have yet to fire a pistol that I like better than my CZ 75, and I've fired a fair number of pistols. Close second would be a 1911 or an XD. Just my opinion.

Test out the ergonomics (hold one in the shop). Rent one. Shoot one. The grip angle is very different (and much better, IMO) than that of a Glock.

BTW, it's true what they say... once you get a CZ, they have a way of multiplying in your safe. Next thing you know, it has siblings.

hags
July 30, 2008, 12:48 AM
CZs are really nice firearms with a long, positive track record.
Yes, they can be made to be really nice. :evil:
However, if hell froze over or if there was a nuclear war, the only things to survive would be Twinkies, cockroaches and Glocks.

Do not sell your Glock if, 1, you like it and 2, you shoot it well.

You will regret it. :banghead:

The CZ 75B and it's derivatives should be on any serious shooter's "must own" short list.

glocksrfugly
July 30, 2008, 12:52 AM
CZ's are probably the most underrated handguns out there.

BlindJustice
July 30, 2008, 01:17 AM
Well, first off, welcome to the THR Forum.

have a couple of questions:
What is the frame size of a Glock 22?
My shooting buddy has a G19 - I've shot it, and he also showed me a
G17 at a Gun Show. SO I know a G17 is Full size frame
and the G19 is a Compact Frame both in 9MM LUger.
but your statement of a G22 tells me nothing in terms of
frame size and cartridge it is chambered for.

I have a CZ 75B in 9MM Luger. I got it as a economical
option for the range as I am a .45 ACP shooter, no not the Glock
21- 1911 5" Bbl. as well as a 625 S&W revolver. but back to the
CZ 75 and Variants. THe P01 and PCR are close as they are both
COmpact in size, 9MM Luger, but the P01 has the older style sights,
a light rail - the PCR no rail, - the newer Novak style three white dot
sights and a loaded chamber indicator.

I have 580 rds through my CZ 75B, 100% functionality, and it's a
very accurate handgun. I like the option of the thumb safety for a
cocked and locked option but a DA first shot. However, with the PCR
being a Decocker model I have no problem with this as it would be a CCW
and DA first shot would be my preferred carry. I have a blued model
and like the fit, finish - I am going to replace the plastic stock grips with
something in exotic hardwood. CZs are great
quality/reliability/accuracy at a great price as well as in profile
they closely resemble the venerable Browning Hi Power.

Randall

Pilot
July 30, 2008, 01:35 AM
I own guns from many manufacturers including HK, Sig, Ruger, and Beretta. I carry a CZ-75D PCR and own a 75B plus a Kadet Kit .22 conversion. They are among my favorites. Yes, they are that good.

nambu1
July 30, 2008, 01:43 AM
CZ's are decent guns for the money. P 01 or P 08 are expensive, but are both great guns. It would be your personnal choice.

GigaBuist
July 30, 2008, 01:51 AM
What is the frame size of a Glock 22?

The G22 is the same size as the G17 but chambered in .40S&W.

If you want a CZ I say you should get one. They're decent guns. I own a couple CZ's (75B and RAMI, we'll ignore the CZ-52 here because it's so different) and I own a couple Glocks (21 and 23). I tend to prefer the CZ's.

You'd be hard pressed to find a CZ owner that hates their pistol.

I would shy away from the RAMI in .40S&W though. It's been plagued by failures to feed. Mine lives up to this reputation. I've been told that a heavier recoil spring should fix this, and I really should get on that.

belus
July 30, 2008, 02:04 AM
I love my 75, but it's strictly a range/fun gun. Not because it hasn't been totally reliable, but because it's large and heavy and I'm a smaller guy.

chris in va
July 30, 2008, 02:24 AM
I haven't held another gun that fits my hand as well as the 75BD. Even better with the Kadet kit.

Just wish it was more reliable with range ammo.

Zan
July 30, 2008, 02:31 AM
Don't know yet. Sold my Glocks to buy CZ's but have actually never shot one. May be stupid I know, but I will keep you posted. I have 2 Cz's on they way.

I was right where you are when I got rid of my 19 & 26. I own a P-01 and a 75B now. I loved my Glocks. I know I'll get another one.. but I need to get a RAMI first :P The mechanics and aesthetics are what sold me on the CZ's. Because of that, I feel more comfortable and my groupings are more constant. I think you'll find a lot of guys here have done the same thing.

BlindJustice
July 30, 2008, 02:45 AM
Ok, finally got an answer....

FUll size frame:
G17 9MM Luger
G22 .40 S&W

what's the Bbl. Length?
as well as the BBL. length of a Compact G19 ?

CZ 75B Full size frame and a 4.7" Bbl. Len.
CZ 75 Compact Bariants = 3.9 Bbl. Len.

Glock with the Stryker fired action:
You get one punch at the primer - otherwise rack the slide
to re--pre-cock it

CZ 75 DA/SA - first shot is Double Action (DA) and if the
gun doesn't go bang you can pull the trigger again, THEN if it fails
rack the slide and chamber a new round. It doesn't happen often
but a good option if it ever does. Post first shot the hammer is all the
way bakc for a short trigger pull Single Action (SA)

All Steel CZs soak up recoil better than the Polymers - the design
also has a slide that has the rails inside the frame unlike most steel or
polymer semi-autos that have slides which wrap around over the sides
of the frame. THis design feature as well as the long rails have been
said to aid the inherent accuracy of the CZ platform.

The CZ 75 and variants have been pretty stable in production with the
exception of the firing pin block in the early '90s thus the B suffix. THe Glocks seem to have been changed a couple of times internally and are in their 3rd generation.... why? there must be reasons don't you think?

Randall

cz100az
July 30, 2008, 04:07 AM
If you can get your hands on a NIB / NOS CZ100 in .40, do it. Don't let the trigger stories scare you. I really enjoy mine. The 75 is also legendary and it'd be hard to pass that up if I was looking for a solid non-poly CZ.

TimboKhan
July 30, 2008, 04:59 AM
I don't know exactly what you meant by "nice reviews", but if you search THR, you will find very little negative feedback on CZ. I don't typically let internet opinions color my views towards a particular handgun all that much, but when it is as overwhelmingly positive as what the CZ has gotten, it has some weight. Of course, any manufacturer of any handgun will occasionally turn out a lemon, so there are some bad reviews. On the balance though, they seem to more than hold their own in terms of popularity and overall shooter satisfaction.

DWARREN123
July 30, 2008, 08:02 AM
I went the other way, got rid of the CZ's and purchased Glocks. It depends on what you like. CZ are good handguns but in 40 S&W I believe the Glocks are better.

Rmac58
July 30, 2008, 08:06 AM
My P-06 is quite accurate. My quibble is, it's too large (and it's a compact 75) for CC. That and because it has an aluminum frame, with a full magazine, it's grip heavy. This is something to consider as I'm always aware of it when I OC that it could fall out of my paddle holster.
I handled a Baby Eagle at the store yesterday, heavier, felt better. Both are .40 S&W.

burningsquirrels
July 30, 2008, 08:57 AM
nothing wrong with CZ. get one. :D

but seriously, ultimately it comes down to your preferences. the gun itself is excellent. it has a tighter and fully supported chamber and full length frame rails for better accuracy, hammer forged barrel that can easily do 50,000 rounds, all steel frame that soaks up recoil, plenty of aftermarket parts, and come in a variety of flavors from compact to full size to competition models to suit your needs.

FEG
July 30, 2008, 04:30 PM
hmmm, might have to look into one. Is the P-06 as reliable as the P-01?

FYI, no one has addressed this yet, because so few P-06s are in the country. There really isn't an objective basis for a conclusion. Thought I'd mention it in case you thought people were just blowing that part off.

j1979
July 30, 2008, 05:55 PM
Ok gotcha. I was thinking of going with the .40 just because I like mine so much, but Im now thinking just the P-01 is what I would want, ammo is a bit cheaper as well. Yea, definitley gonna be getting a CZ for my next handgun. The SP-01 really look nice too, heck they all look sweet! Thanks everyone

floydster
July 30, 2008, 07:28 PM
I have a 75 B stainless and a 75 PCR,
both in 9mm and both are great guns,never a problem with either one,and I mean never a FTF or FTE in over 10,000 rounds.
My PCR is my carry.
I have other top of the line guns, but the CZ's are right up there with them.

Scratchshooter40
July 30, 2008, 07:38 PM
I have a CZ P-06 and it is outstanding. Shoots spot on and handles recoil as well as my H&K USP40 due to ergonomics and weight. While I have large hands and nothing will ever replace my Beretta 96 for CCW and duty weapon, I do enjoy the CZ. I do not like the floorplate extension on the mag and would rather have a flush floorplate and use it as a BUG. I am 6'2" and 253# and currently use a Stoeger Cougar as a BUG for my 96 when I carry a backup. The Galco SOB holster works very well for this function and I can carry the Cougar in my Beretta holster with no trouble at all. In the winter I use a Galco Harness shoulder rig for the 96 and the SOB for the Cougar. Getting back to the P-06, mine has around 1,500 trouble free rounds through it and we have to qualify with department provided LE service ammo, not WWB. Stout weapon, good performer. No FTF, FTE, or other malfunction.

j1979
July 30, 2008, 07:44 PM
Now you have me leaning towards the P-06, decisions, decisions!!

burningsquirrels
July 30, 2008, 08:25 PM
CZhoices, CZhoices... :D

GigaBuist
July 30, 2008, 11:40 PM
If you can get your hands on a NIB / NOS CZ100 in .40, do it. Don't let the trigger stories scare you.

I'm a CZ fanboy, but the trigger on the 100 is horrible. George Hill explains: (http://www.madogre.com/interviews/CZ100_Review.htm)

You know how some things set a standard. They become the benchmark by which all others are judged. Well, for many of my reviews I have mentioned the CZ 100 pistol as an example of what I consider to be just about the worst trigger ever made on any production handgun ever
...
Pulling the trigger moves a hook that grabs a bar on the striker and slingshots it back. At the farthest point of travel, the trigger hook drops off the striker allowing it to fly forward to fire the gun.

I say “almost brilliant” because it of course fails miserably at being any sort of usable trigger at all. No, I'm serious, it's bad. It's the stuff of nightmares. The trigger feels exactly like those old toy guns you used to be able to buy at grocery stores that shoot those little plastic disks.
....
Let me describe the trigger pull. A long take up pull, then heavy stacking up to a level that is off the scale. If the trigger pull was just bad, that would be one thing... but when the trigger breaks, it pulls the front sight off to the right suddenly. Trying as hard as I might, I could not pull the trigger without the sight being jerked off target. Interestingly, when I dry-fired the gun left handed, the sights stayed on target. I don't know why that is... maybe it is the way I manipulate triggers and I just do it differently left handed. The trigger is not just bad, it's funny how bad it is. It's almost as if it's a joke. How could a serious arms company release a pistol so awful?

jpwilly
July 31, 2008, 12:00 AM
Recently picked up a CZ-P01 and love it...it's the only 9mm I own! Otherwise I'm a 45ACP man.

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p38/jpwilly/CZP-01.png

j1979
July 31, 2008, 12:04 AM
Ok. Im decided im gonna go with the P-01 first, if I like it I will buy the P-06 as well. Might as well have the best of both world if I can.....right

burningsquirrels
July 31, 2008, 12:46 AM
if you get a p-01.... and you like it... i'd make the next one an SP-01 for a fullsize tactical firearm. then at least you can stuff its 19 round mags in the p-01.

armoredman
July 31, 2008, 01:03 AM
I bet my life on a PO1 every day. This sidearm fits me better than anything else I have tried to date. I have had the opportunity to fire every brand/type around, minus a few oddballs, and the CZ fits me perfectly.

GZOh
July 31, 2008, 07:09 AM
See, now is where we get into the 'Building a CZ Collection' part of the discussion!!...
Ditto bs... but I bought my SP-01 BEFORE my P-01...Unbelievable full-size gun... thought that was it... then felt/shot the -01!... Mistake... Collection then really began to expand!
ditto armoredman... Have large hands but that P-01 is total HEAVEN!! Have never had a gun 'sit' as well in my hands as the P-01... for me, it grips perfect... and could shoot that baby all day! You're gonna love it.
'Let the Collecting Begin'!!!

WARNING: If you want any chance of 'slowing' the collection process, avoid viewing any of armoredmans pics!! We he starts showing those babies, you're dead!!!

j1979
July 31, 2008, 08:23 AM
Does anything need to be done to the P-01 when new, or is it perfect out of the box? Im talking for reliability, FTF, FTE types of things. Not a trigger job or any "extra" things.

burningsquirrels
July 31, 2008, 09:28 AM
nope. clean up, lube, and shoot the crap out of it. :)

GZOh
July 31, 2008, 09:51 AM
ditto bs... perfect out-of-the-box... shoot the hell-out-of-it!!
All my CZs have had different 'trigger feels' OOTB...my P-01 had a stiffer trigger and needed about 300+ rounds to breakin. Now at 1000+ she' perfect... absolutely ZERO FTFs, FTEs, jam-ups, etc... FLAWLESS!... 75B like butter, SP-01, about 200+... all different.
Alot of guys (bs, 240, schmeky, etc...) have had trigger work and love it!! I'm a cheap bastard and my triggers feel fine... I guess I have to stay away from shootin their guns... 'what do don't know, you don't miss'... or something like that!

Good Luck with your P-01... you're gonna love it!

burningsquirrels
July 31, 2008, 10:10 AM
if you want a trmendously fabulous trigger... there's threads over here (http://czechpistols82792.yuku.com/topic/14688/t/CZ-75-Trigger-job-lots-of-pics.html) and here (http://czechpistols82792.yuku.com/topic/14690/t/A-Do-it-yourself-Trigger-Job-with-photos.html) which is what i used to improve the already good trigger that i had.

first, i did the free trigger jobs. it improved a lot.

second, i installed the competition hammer and nearly crapped my pants. the DA pull got even lighter and the SA pull worked like a tuned 1911. the hammer also changes the pivot points so you can have a really light DA pull without using a very light mainspring... light mainsprings can increase the chances of a light strike.

because i sport shoot i installed an SA only trigger which works incredibly well with the competition hammer and the 16 pound mainspring. the trigger pull is about 1/8" and almost hair-like if you're not used to target triggers. the break is ultra smooth.

one note about the trigger jobs: if you plan on getting the comp hammer, don't touch the sear angles, you may not need it.

also, if you get the comp hammer, you also need to work the safety which is no big deal. after you remove a little material from it slowly, you can get the safety working again - and it will also work with the hammer down.


BUT PLEASE NOTE: you have a decocker, and those instructions link to more instructions on how to disassemble the decocker group.

Pilot
July 31, 2008, 10:24 AM
Get out your Czech book!

mikemck
July 31, 2008, 10:32 AM
My P-01 is perfect. No need for a trigger job at all, no malfunctions, and I shoot it better than any other gun I've ever owned.

The 75BD is also fantastic.

lysander
July 31, 2008, 11:10 AM
For the OP...

Perhaps you have heard the old customer service/business maxim that it is best to under-promise and over-deliver? This, to me, is what CZs are all about.

Research (and the abundance of southpaw friendly formats they offer) led me to my first CZ about 4 years ago. Now I am a certified evangelist for the brand.

You get a great deal more pistol than you pay for.

hags
July 31, 2008, 11:26 AM
I too have done a trigger job on a CZ. I have reworked the stock hammer on a CZ75B SA. Even on the SAs there is way too much positive camming and the hammer hooks are way too tall/long which is where your creepy trigger comes from.

To my surprise it came out better than the CZ I have a CZ Custom Shop Competition hammer in. Pull is about 2lbs and absolutely creep free. It's on par with the trigger job on my 1911. Not really a need for the comp. hammer in my book except for the aesthetics.

The only CZ I've seen come from the factory with an acceptable trigger has been the production CZ-UB Shadow. I believe they are tuned from the factory before being shipped.

j1979
July 31, 2008, 11:32 AM
Im gonna see if I cant find one around here at a Cabelas or Gander Mountain in teh next couple of weeks. Im thinking if they dont have one they can get one in fairly easily. Ive found them on Buds and ghostholster.com but it will probably end up being cheaper and less of a hassle if I find it locally.

Disaster
July 31, 2008, 11:34 AM
I too have done a trigger job on a CZ. I have reworked the stock hammer on a CZ75B SA. Even on the SAs there is way too much positive camming and the hammer hooks are way too tall/long which is where your creepy trigger comes from.

I've seen some pretty terrible stock triggers on CZ's so it always surprised me when people talked about how great they were. Were they always talking about modded ones?

Just picked up a CZ40B and the SA trigger pull is almost 7 pounds and creepier than a Micheal Jackson interview. The "positive camming" you mentioned, is more than any I've seen short of DAO striker guns. The DA pull is actually pretty good if you don't mind the high break away load right at the start. After that it drops to about 10 and a half and stays right there all the way to the break point.

In comparison, my Ruger P95, has about a 4 and a half pound trigger pull with with about one third the creep.

I like hearing that they can be tuned because this one definitely needs it.

hags
July 31, 2008, 11:46 AM
I've seen some pretty terrible stock triggers on CZ's so it always surprised me when people talked about how great they were. Were they always talking about modded ones?

Just picked up a CZ40B and the SA trigger pull is almost 7 pounds and creepier than a Micheal Jackson interview. The "positive camming" you mentioned, is more than any I've seen short of DAO striker guns. The DA pull is actually pretty good if you don't mind the high break away load right at the start. After that it drops to about 10 and a half and stays right there all the way to the break point.

In comparison, my Ruger P95, has about a 4 and a half pound trigger pull with with about one third the creep.

I like hearing that they can be tuned because this one definitely needs it.

Oh yeah, they can be tuned. Take the positive cam (angle) off of the hammer hooks. I like a nice neutral (90 degrees) angle and bring the hook height down. I have about 50% hammer hooks to sear engagement.

I was pleasently surprised and rewarded with a complete creep free and "crisp" trigger. Nothing ruins the fun of shooting more than a bad trigger, all other things being equal.

I assume no liability for anyone attempting to do this and screwing it up.

GZOh
July 31, 2008, 11:46 AM
Pilot... I just love your quote "Get out your Czech book!" If you don't mind, I'm gonna plagerize that baby to death!!... but I'll try to give you some credit every so often... if I remember!
Thanks
GZOh

BTW: Hey Disaster, go easy on the Michael Jackson jokes... he's my cousin and he simply loves CZs... you should see some of the 'groupings' we do down at the Ranch!!

burningsquirrels
July 31, 2008, 11:48 AM
To my surprise it came out better than the CZ I have a CZ Custom Shop Competition hammer in. Pull is about 2lbs and absolutely creep free. It's on par with the trigger job on my 1911. Not really a need for the comp. hammer in my book except for the aesthetics.

i matched the hook profile of the comp hammer to my stock hammer and got similar results on the breakaway in SA mode.

BUT, the comp hammer has different pivot points and i believe it is needed if you want a lighter DA pull - i say 'need' because without the comp hammer, you're stepping down to lighter and lighter mainsprings to lighten the DA pull... let me explain:

when i had the factory hammer and the gun was DA/SA the only way i could lighten the DA pull was with weaker springs. well, i started having light strikes. my test for strike power is launching a standard bic ballpoint pen from the barrel and seeing how far it flies. iirc the stock setup launched it 18 feet across the room. when i reduced the mainspring power to 13lb, it coughed out of the barrel about a few feet, but the DA pull was great! but i had some light strikes (1 in maybe 100). i shot the pistol in DA/SA for competition... but then i decided to go SAO since my division allows it. i decided to put just hte comp hammer on first... and who - the DA pull was too light, but on the same mainspring it launched the ballpoint pen back up to about 14 feet, or most of the way across the room. now that i'm SAO and don't care about a heavy DA pull, i have the 16# mainspring and it launches the ballpoint pen back across the room.

does that make sense? i'm babbling.

since i'm SAO now and i got one 40b in the pipe... i'm going to put the comp hammer and safety into my new 40b and put the factory safety (from the new 40b) and hammer (the worked over one) back into my comp gun since the SA pull on the old hammer was already great. the next 40b i get after this one will stay bone stock with just an action job. or so i lead myself to believe... :(

(oh boy we're getting into smithing stuff again, hags... lol!)

burningsquirrels
July 31, 2008, 11:49 AM
Oh yeah, they can be tuned. Take the positive cam (angle) off of the hammer hooks. I like a nice neutral (90 degrees) angle and bring the hook height down. I have about 50% hammer hooks to sear engagement.

yup. the factory hammer i worked over has about 25% hook to sear engagement, about the same as the comp hammer.

hags
July 31, 2008, 11:49 AM
Whoa, whoa, whoa, I forgot to mention that I also removed the stock (20lb ???) mainspring and added a 15lb mainspring. This is in conjuction with the hammer/trigger pull work.

It is one of the best trigger pulls I have achieved with stock parts, sans the mainspring.

Disaster
July 31, 2008, 12:00 PM
burningsquirrel: ...when i had the factory hammer and the gun was DA/SA the only way i could lighten the DA pull was with weaker springs. well, i started having light strikes. my test for strike power is launching a standard bic ballpoint pen from the barrel and seeing how far it flies. iirc the stock setup launched it 18 feet across the room. when i reduced the mainspring power to 13lb, it coughed out of the barrel about a few feet, but the DA pull was great! but i had some light strikes (1 in maybe 100). i shot the pistol in DA/SA for competition... but then i decided to go SAO since my division allows it. i decided to put just hte comp hammer on first... and who - the DA pull was too light, but on the same mainspring it launched the ballpoint pen back up to about 14 feet, or most of the way across the room. now that i'm SAO and don't care about a heavy DA pull, i have the 16# mainspring and it launches the ballpoint pen back across the room.

does that make sense? i'm babbling.

since i'm SAO now and i got one 40b in the pipe... i'm going to put the comp hammer and safety into my new 40b and put the factory safety (from the new 40b) and hammer (the worked over one) back into my comp gun since the SA pull on the old hammer was already great. the next 40b i get after this one will stay bone stock with just an action job. or so i lead myself to believe...

Actually yes...you did lose me there a bit.

Let me see if I got this right. The "comp" trigger is a DA/SA trigger and it yields a good trigger effort with the stock springs? The other trigger you put in converted it to SA only?

I don't give a hoot about the DA (but I don't want to disable it)....I think it is already better than many DA guns out there...but the SA needs to be fixed.

If the "comp" trigger can help better than a simple trigger job I may buy it. Where do you get them and how much do they cost?

burningsquirrels
July 31, 2008, 12:05 PM
i'm sorry, i have a lot going on at my desk at the moment. someone PMed me and i think i clarified it better for him:

burningsquirrels you really need the comp hammer if you expect to do any DA pulling. but on the flip side... the comp hammer is 58 bucks. you can match the profile of the factory hammer to the comp hammer and get a crisp SA break, but you don't get any of the reduced pull effort that the comp hammer reliably provides.

as stated in my post, weakening the mainspring without the comp hammer compromises reliability, you can get light strikes. i had about 1 in a 100. but if you youtube "gpsl" and watch my 7-12-08 cherokee ipsc match video.... one stage i had continuous jams which i will attribute to light strikes even with the comp hammer. after that match i switched from a 13# to a 16# mainspring, the ballpoint pen launched further across the room, and i haven't had any 'dud' or light strikes since. IMO, the comp hammer is a must to hit the primers hard while being able to lighten a DA pull.

the comp hammer is available through angus at czcustom.com for $58 iirc.

burningsquirrels
July 31, 2008, 12:12 PM
Let me see if I got this right. The "comp" trigger is a DA/SA trigger and it yields a good trigger effort with the stock springs? The other trigger you put in converted it to SA only?

I don't give a hoot about the DA (but I don't want to disable it)....I think it is already better than many DA guns out there...but the SA needs to be fixed.

If the "comp" trigger can help better than a simple trigger job I may buy it. Where do you get them and how much do they cost?

1. the comp hammer gives you a mechanical advantage on the mainspring, so it reduces the percieved pull weight. if you instlal the comp hammer now, expect a lighter DA and SA pull, and a cleaner break due to the very short hooks. you can also expect hte firing pin to hit the primers a lot harder.

2. yes, the DA pull was nice when i got my gun but the SA could've used some work... but my gun had more than 10k rounds when i got it.

3. $58 iirc through CZcustom.com - i recommend picking up the $3 extra power extractor springs to yank the brass out and toss them out of the way, and the mainspring calibration pack of 13, 15, 16 pound mainsprings. you might want the calibration pack so you can choose which one for your DA pull... but FWIW i thought i was running through some dud rounds the past couple months until i switched from 13# to 16# and them BAM BAM BAM no more dud rounds. it's been more than 500 rounds since i put the 16# spring in and no light strikes or duds since. i think the calibration pack is 15, but individually is 8 bucks.

armoredman
July 31, 2008, 03:05 PM
I have never done a trigger job on any CZ - the only one I could not stand was the notorious CZ-100. Mine have smoothed over thousands of rounds to oiled glass.

burningsquirrels
July 31, 2008, 03:09 PM
there's an older CZ-75 at the gun shop i want to buy at $365 but 1. it's got a huge ugly import stamping on it and 2. just sent payment for another 40b and 3. just bought a pocket 380 this week. doh!

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