Gun "Cache" found in northeast US?


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Nimble1
August 1, 2008, 08:29 AM
I was watching Fox on Tuesday and they had a brief video of a "cache" of weapons found somewhere in the north eastern part of the US. I didn't catch the exact location but they had an aeriel view of quite a few guns laid out on a plastic tarp on the lawn. I have searched ever since and have not found any more about it at all.
Did anybody else see this?

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Vermont
August 1, 2008, 08:41 AM
I saw this too, while I was waiting at the pharmacy. I think it was in Massachussetts. I came here expecting to see someone posting about it, but no one did until now. I couldn't hear the story very well because the pharmacy was pretty loud. I couldn't hear them say what law he had broken.

Zip7
August 1, 2008, 08:47 AM
is this it (http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080731/NEWS/807310336)?

Drgong
August 1, 2008, 08:52 AM
Jeez, In NC i think the only thing he would have illegial is the sawed off shotgun if it was under the X number of inches.

Vermont
August 1, 2008, 08:52 AM
That's it. Thanks Zip7.

Zip7
August 1, 2008, 08:53 AM
I don't quite follow the story - is owning guns just illegal in MA? Seems like they take it for granted that everyone would know exactly what his crime was?

Guns and more
August 1, 2008, 08:54 AM
Webster had no "sinister purposes" to his weapon collection and had not been doing anything with the items, Roman said. "He's been a respectable member of the community his entire life."
So exactly what law was broken? Possessing some guns? He had "over 1000 rounds of live ammunition". In my neighborhood that would be a modest supply.
He also had a "generator and some gasoline". What?
Has Massachusetts gone crazy?

Gibbles
August 1, 2008, 08:56 AM
Police are also still trying to determine where and how Webster got his guns

:rolleyes:

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
August 1, 2008, 08:56 AM
Yet another Heller-based challengeable case.


Idiotic leftist journalist #1: "Hey I'm doing a story on some gun nut - what's the difference between a "cache" and an "arsenal" of guns?"

Idiotic leftist journalist #2: "Hmmmm, I guess an arsenal is more than 2 weapons, and a cache is more than 5 weapons."

Drgong
August 1, 2008, 08:56 AM
I am still scratching my head on this too, 1,000 rounds, heck, I ORDER ammo at that rate sometimes. The only thing that might get flagged is a Sawed off shotgun.

kevindsingleton
August 1, 2008, 08:56 AM
I guess it's the "amassing" that's illegal in Massachusetts. I can't imagine what else he's done wrong, unless that shotgun proves to be too short. What a place to live.

Why do the socialists always take over the best vacation spots?

glock530
August 1, 2008, 08:56 AM
What exactly is a cache?!?

Is the 20 guns I have in my safe considered a cache?

Why do you never see stories about a cache of baseball cards or cars?


The massive cache of guns, knives and ammo — a .50-caliber handgun and .50-caliber sniper rifle, sawed-off shotguns, high-powered assault rifles, an inert bomb, throwing knives, bayonets and more than 1,000 live rounds


Bear in mind that the sawed off shotguns could have been 16.5 inches too, remember this is the media we're talking about. Most of that same stuff has been in my collection over the years. I can remember as a kid playing with an inert morter shell.

Vermont
August 1, 2008, 08:57 AM
He had "over 1000 rounds of live ammunition". In my neighborhood that would be a modest supply.

Yeah, my first thought was to feel bad for the guy because he had so little ammunition. I only have 3 guns and I have more ammo than that.

crimsonaudio
August 1, 2008, 08:59 AM
Yah, I don't get what he's charged with.

Austin Powers quote of the day, "He had over 1,000 rounds of live ammunition..."

Zip7
August 1, 2008, 09:01 AM
Yeah, my first thought was to feel bad for the guy because he had so little ammunition

My first thought was that I can never go to MA. because my "cache" is bigger than the guy in the story.

Where I live it's not really a crime to own a lot of guns or be a borderline nutcase.

In fact you can be a full blown nutcase as long as you don't hurt anyone.

Gibbles
August 1, 2008, 09:07 AM
If you look at the pictures, they even have a little desktop cannon on the mat... :rolleyes:

The guy has more than I have atleast, I hate seeing them spread out on a table or a tarp and think, wow... I have way more than that. :o

olivedrab
August 1, 2008, 09:09 AM
looks like i'm never moving to massachusetts...

Nimble1
August 1, 2008, 09:13 AM
Neat bomb casing!
Glad that I don't live there...

gunNoob
August 1, 2008, 09:14 AM
I'm confused. Why would he get in trouble for a gun collection? That is odd.

Do the cops know that you can buy guns at a gun shop? Why are they wondering where he got the guns?

30 cal slob
August 1, 2008, 09:15 AM
hell, i've crapped 1,000 rounds of ammo in a single pinch. :rolleyes:

Drgong
August 1, 2008, 09:17 AM
I'm confused. Why would he get in trouble for a gun collection? That is odd.

A belive in the state of Mass you have to register all your firearms, and he did not register them.

In the lands of free america, the only thing that might be illiegal is the shotgun, depending how much it was cut down.

gunNoob
August 1, 2008, 09:19 AM
A belive in the state of Mass you have to register all your firearms, and he did not register them.


How many states are like this? That would suck

alex_trebek
August 1, 2008, 09:22 AM
BARNSTABLE —

Barnstable District Court Judge W. James O'Neill ordered Webster, 44, held on $50,000 cash bail on 10 counts of unlawful possession of a firearm and one count of illegally possessing ammunition. Prosecutors requested, and were granted, that bail of $10,000 on a previous case against Webster be revoked.
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The massive cache of guns, knives and ammo — a .50-caliber handgun and .50-caliber sniper rifle, sawed-off shotguns, high-powered assault rifles, an inert bomb, throwing knives, bayonets and more than 1,000 live rounds, according to police and prosecutors — was seized when Barnstable police raided his house at 3640 Falmouth Road on Tuesday after arresting him at his parents' home on Wakeby Road earlier in the day.

His mother and an unidentified woman, who both looked stunned, declined to comment at court. "We're speechless," said a third woman, who said she was a relative.

Before this month, Webster had no criminal record in Massachusetts, said defense attorney Brian Roman of North Attleboro.

But Webster's life hasn't been free of trouble. He graduated from Barnstable High School in 1982, and two years later, he married a woman seven years his senior. He was a mechanic, and she was a cashier. The two lived in Teaticket, but in 1988 she filed for a temporary restraining order, which was later lifted.

In 1991, she filed for divorce, citing cruel and abusive behavior. He had knocked out two of her teeth and was ordered to pay her dental bills, according to court documents.

Around that same time, he was working on a car when it fell on top of him, injuring his spine and permanently disabling him, Roman said.

Webster claimed he was once a provisional officer with the Falmouth police, Roman said.

Falmouth police Capt. William McManamin, who has been with the department for more than three decades and supervises summer police officers, has no memory of Webster, Falmouth Police Chief Anthony Riello said

Webster, who is unemployed, inherited about $80,000 from friend Charles Eldridge after Eldridge died in December 2006 at the age of 77.

Webster lived with Eldridge at the sprawling property where the cache of guns was found. The men were friends and before he died. Eldridge, a mason, sold the property to Webster and Webster's second wife for less than $100 in 2005, according to court documents.

By then, Webster's new marriage wasn't going well, either. In September 2003, he had married a home health care worker from Plymouth — a fourth marriage for her. Shortly after they wed, she was listed as living in Prentiss, Maine, and had filed a restraining order against him in that state.

But by February of 2004, he filed for a divorce, which was later dismissed, according to court papers.

She has now filed for divorce instead. She asked for money and one of the many vehicles on the property — specifically, the 2006 Mustang.

A judge ruled July 21 that she wouldn't get any alimony or money for attorney's fees.

About a month before, she received a restraining order against Webster.

It was that order that sparked the eventual discovery of the gun stockpile — when police served him papers on July 1, he behaved strangely and refused to show his hands or obey police commands. Officers found a loaded 9mm Derringer pistol in his front pocket — after he told them he had no gun — and other guns, knives and more than $16,000 in cash in his car, according to court records.

After a court-ordered exam yesterday, Webster was found capable of proceeding and not to be mentally ill.

Webster's motive for building up such a massive cache was still under investigation, Barnstable Detective Sgt. John Murphy said.

"We really don't know what his intentions were," Murphy said. Webster allegedly also collected survivalist equipment, including generators, cans of gasoline and ham radios, along with the weapons.

Webster had no "sinister purposes" to his weapon collection and had not been doing anything with the items, Roman said. "He's been a respectable member of the community his entire life."

Police are also still trying to determine where and how Webster got his guns, said Barnstable Detective Lt. Sean Balcom. Webster does not have a firearms license in Massachusetts or any other state, prosecutor Matthew Kelley said in court.

The secondary investigation into how Webster got his guns could lead back to Maine, Balcom said. Webster may have used someone else's license, Balcom said, or had another person buy them for him.

Police plan to perform serial number traces on all the firearms recovered, Balcom said.

More charges are expected against Webster once police finish cataloging all the items pulled from his home. His next court date on both cases is Aug. 22.


Did anyone see the supposed sawed off shotgun? I ask because the media is notorious for its gun ineptitude. What if the stock was sawed-off, or the barrel AND the stock? Would this not be legally defined as a pistol? Or am I wrong on this?

If this is the case, the only law he has broken is buying weapons without a permit.

Zip7
August 1, 2008, 09:23 AM
I got it - the story says his wife got a restraining order against him, and that in MA a restraining order usually means you have to turn in any guns you own. It's explained in the sidebar

Owens
August 1, 2008, 09:24 AM
Strikes me that what started it all was the one he had on his person that he said he didn't. Once the LEs had a little PC on him, Katy bar the door.

Maybe if he had been honest about that to begin with, none of this would have happened. But then IANAL and especially don't know anything about the law where he is at.

Drgong
August 1, 2008, 09:24 AM
A belive in the state of Mass you have to register all your firearms, and he did not register them.

How many states are like this? That would suck

Massachusetts: Firearms and feeding devices for firearms are divided into classes. Depending on the class, a firearm identification card (FID) or class A license or class B license is required to possess, purchase, or carry a firearm, ammunition thereof, or firearm feeding device, or "large capacity feeding device."

http://www.nraila.org/media/misc/compendium.htm

He is being arrested as he did not have a FID card, though as metioned, the shotgun might be illeagal :fire:

ProficientRifleman
August 1, 2008, 09:27 AM
I didn't see a single statement in the "news piece" stating WHAT was illegal about his weapons.

gunNoob
August 1, 2008, 09:27 AM
^ I see. I think they blew it way out of proportion for sure.

ZeSpectre
August 1, 2008, 09:29 AM
Blatent yellow journalism. I would be ashamed to have this vomit printed in my local paper. If they want to report the facts that is fine but when they start spinning (and man you'd need a tachometer to keep track of the rpm's in this article) they lose all credibility with me. In fact there are so many examples of spin in this article that I have a hard time simply believing the accuracy of any of the other "facts" presented.

Examples of needless spin...

-amassed an arsenal
-massive cache of guns, knives and ammo ("massive cache" is used 3 or 4 times)
-an inert bomb (Um, if it's inert it's not a bomb, just a hunk of metal).
-more than 1,000 live rounds of ammunition (adding live makes them sound especially dangerous, like they have a will of their own).
-Eldridge, a mason, sold the property to Webster (had to get that "evil secret society" angle in there)

And the crowning glory...
About a month before, she received a restraining order against Webster. It was that order that sparked the eventual discovery of the gun stockpile
Ah so the latest wife and the guy were trading restraining orders and then, by some miracle, the whole issue of the guns came up. Imagine that.

So basically the only actual facts we know are that this guy had firearms but did not have the license that is apparently required in his state. The rest of the "information" is made suspect by the blatant spin and sensationalism.

Drgong
August 1, 2008, 09:30 AM
Eldridge, a mason, sold the property to Webster

I assumed when they wrote that they ment a mason as one who laid bricks, if they where refering to freemasons, I might have to send them a letter to the editor.

Phil DeGraves
August 1, 2008, 09:39 AM
Has Massachusetts gone crazy?

Absolutely. Did you see the comments by readers? Insane! And this in the "Birthplace of Liberty." What a joke!

RonE
August 1, 2008, 09:40 AM
Another spin in the article "live"ammunition.

As opposed to what? Spent cartridges aren't ammunition and I've never heard of dead ammunition.

Suprise, suprise, the press didn't use: Deadly live ammunition

FCFC
August 1, 2008, 09:43 AM
I'm unclear on what Massachusetts laws Webster is supposed to have violated. Certainly, collecting/accumulating a bunch of guns isn't illegal--as long as they are obtained properly. The press and LE are spinning the details bigtime.

OTOH, based on his history, Webster seems like he just might be an accident-waiting-to-happen kind of guy.

NeveraVictimAgain
August 1, 2008, 10:25 AM
Zip7 is right. He still had guns after he was under a restraining order.
There's also the fact that Mass. is very anti-gun to begin with, thus the media hysteria.

texas bulldog
August 1, 2008, 10:47 AM
[sigh]...

the comments that follow the article are downright depressing. these people will believe anything shoveled at them...

yesit'sloaded
August 1, 2008, 10:54 AM
I wonder how this will play out post-Heller. He had guns at his home. I can see the restraining order= we take your guns getting struck down. The FID might go away too after the next round.

dewage83
August 1, 2008, 10:59 AM
He had a M1a and a couple Ar's I wouldnt mind having...:rolleyes: maby they should sell guns (of the non-evidence type) at police auctions with all the rest of the crap they sell. It would get a bunch of gun owners in the door to look at all the other stuff up for auction

doc2rn
August 1, 2008, 11:00 AM
A good lawyer will have him set up for life. I hope he gets his guns back.

What if along with the house he got the contents and they where actually bought by the disceased.

pappy
August 1, 2008, 11:13 AM
If 50 guns and 1000 rounds is a 'massive cache ', then I would be in deep doo-doo. Thank God I do not live there!

robsc
August 1, 2008, 11:23 AM
British commander Major Pitcairn ordered the Americans on the Lexington Common ` to lay down their arms and retreat`. The American Revolution against tyrannical British govenment commenced. Lexington Common is in Massachusetts. Now this. Massachusetts has returned it`s loyalty to tyrannical government. I`m looking forward to lawsuits against Massachesetts` antigun laws.

Microlon
August 1, 2008, 11:28 AM
"Why do the socialists always take over the best vacation spots?"

Because if they lived elsewhere, they might have to get jobs.

I was pondering a trip to the local gun shop tomorrow to pick up 1,000 rounds of .30 caliber. Wonder if I'll get flagged as an "amasser"? Wait, maybe not, I live in Texas.

230RN
August 1, 2008, 11:30 AM
The massive cache of guns, knives and ammo — a .50-caliber handgun and .50-caliber sniper rifle, sawed-off shotguns, high-powered assault rifles, an inert bomb, throwing knives, bayonets and more than 1,000 live rounds, according to police and prosecutors — was seized when Barnstable police raided his house at 3640 Falmouth Road on Tuesday after arresting him at his parents' home on Wakeby Road earlier in the day.

Ho-hum. Assuming the shotgun barrels were 18.000000001 inches and the LOA was 26.000000001 inches, I don't see a problem with them.

After all, a shotgun only becomes really, really, really dangerous if the barrel is 18.00000000 inches and it's LOA is 26.00000000 inches.

At room temperature, of course. Fire a few rounds through it to warm it up and it'll be legal again.


Webster's motive for building up such a massive cache was still under investigation, Barnstable Detective Sgt. John Murphy said.

"Hey. Mr. Webster, what's your motive for having all that hardware?"

"Motive? I need a motive?"

The whole article sounds as if it were written by a gossip columnist.

Hoppy590
August 1, 2008, 11:35 AM
A belive in the state of Mass you have to register all your firearms, and he did not register them.

How many states are like this? That would suck
Massachusetts: Firearms and feeding devices for firearms are divided into classes. Depending on the class, a firearm identification card (FID) or class A license or class B license is required to possess, purchase, or carry a firearm, ammunition thereof, or firearm feeding device, or "large capacity feeding device."

http://www.nraila.org/media/misc/compendium.htm

He is being arrested as he did not have a FID card, though as metioned, the shotgun might be illeagal

correct
MA you need an FID for non "high cap" long guns
and LTC class B for non high cap long and handguns
and or an LTC Class A for hicap long and hand

we dont have a straight forward registration. we have a defacto registration through the FA-10 forms. which are "report of sale" forms

while MA does suck. big time. we recently voted to stick it to the gov and the house has passed a bill dropping the license fee from 100 to 40$ ( the gov tried to up it to 200) so thats good

many of you are quick to dump on the state when its clear,

Webster does not have a firearms license in Massachusetts or any other state, prosecutor Matthew Kelley said in court.

seems like while he had no ill intent, and wasn't morally wrong. legally speaking he is wrong.

Chipperman
August 1, 2008, 11:44 AM
O.K. there's a lot of confusion here about what MA laws he has broken.

In MA you need at least an FID card to own ANY guns or ammunition at all. So he's broken the law there. There are also Firearms Licenses of varying levels that allow hi-caps, handguns, and CCW. This guy apparently had no license of any kind. That makes all of the guns and ammo illegal for him to possess.

Legally, the number of guns and amount of ammo here are irrelevant. That's just the media making a big deal out of it. You can own as many guns as you can afford as long as you have a license. There are limits to ammunition that can be owned without a permit, but that's actually a fire code, not a legal code. 1K rounds isn't even close to that restriction.

I live in MA, and have a Class A non-restricted license. That means I can own rifles, shotguns, handguns, and hi-cap mags. I also have a Machine Gun License, which allows me to buy and own machine guns in MA. The AWB is still in effect in MA, so any hi-caps must be Pre-94, and newer handguns that are non on the approved list cannot be sold by dealers. They are still legal to own tough, if you buy them privately.

edit: Hoppy590 posted while I was typing. to add one more thing, if you move into MA with guns that you already own, they do NOT need to be registered. Any guns purchased while a resident of MA DO need to be registered. You still need a license to own any guns in MA, even if they are not registered. Stupid, yes.

News Shooter
August 1, 2008, 11:50 AM
Just a small clarification to a previous post. In MA a Class B license holder CAN possess high capacity long guns.:)

Dope
August 1, 2008, 11:50 AM
50 guns and 1000 rounds huh? 20 rounds per gun is sad, there should have been a fundraiser to buy him more ammo.

I believe what happened to him could happen to any of you in any state, no? If you get a restrainining order against you, you generally have to turn in your guns (at least temporarily). That's what happened to him - this was compounded by the fact that he was too dumb to get a license. How can you own 50 guns, live in MA, and not realize you need a license to possess them?

I wonder if he ever had a license, or if his simply expired and he didn't realize it. There used to even be a lifetime license in MA (which I believe Romney did away with). With the way the article is written with anti-gun sentiment, I'm sure they would intentionally leave that information out. For all we know it could have been a simple oversight as not realizing that licensing requirements had changed.

The only thing that's really ugly is the "journalism" displayed. They point out all the "scary" stuff in his "cache", .50 cal this and that, inert bomb (who cares, it's a paperweight), when in fact none of that stuff is illegal in MA. The exception being the sawed-off if it was below legal length and he didn't do it legally.

Dope

brighamr
August 1, 2008, 11:51 AM
"illegally possessing ammunition"

Unless the guys a felon... i didn't know any states had ammunition bans.

Dope
August 1, 2008, 11:53 AM
You need a firearms license to own ammo in MA too. You need it to even get pepper spray. Even ammo components are illegal without a license.

Dope

Chipperman
August 1, 2008, 11:57 AM
I'm wondering if he inherited some or all of those guns from the friend that passed away.

MinnMooney
August 1, 2008, 12:01 PM
in 1988 she filed for a temporary restraining order
He had knocked out two of her teeth and was ordered to pay her dental bills, according to court documents.
About a month before, she received a restraining order against Webster.

The article never stated whether he was charged with any degree of domestic violence but I have to think he wasn't charged or convicted - Before this month, Webster had no criminal record in Massachusetts.

Maybe the restraining orders were enough in his state to ban him from owning weapons (?) or maybe it was the sawed-off shotgun (nothing illegal about that unless he sawed the barrel to less than 16".

rondog
August 1, 2008, 12:16 PM
Woo hoo! I have a cache AND an arsenal!!!! I'm SOMEBODY now! I thought I was just a small-time peon collector.

plainsbilly
August 1, 2008, 12:22 PM
check pic #4 it shows the back end of a pistol gripped shot gun pehaps that is the sawed off
man,when I grow up,I want to have an arsenal like that ,wonder whaen the auction is going to be:evil:

Drgong
August 1, 2008, 12:22 PM
Wonder if my three guns and 100 rounds of ammo count as a arsenal

Treo
August 1, 2008, 12:28 PM
I live in MA, and have a Class A non-restricted license. That means I can own rifles, shotguns, handguns, and hi-cap mags

I live in Colorado and can own all of the above W/ a simple trip to Sportsman's Warehouse.

God I'm glad I live in America.

I think everybody that participates in this thread should go post a pro 2A comment on the comments page for the article

Steven Proshop
August 1, 2008, 12:40 PM
he may have had an injunction with his restraining order that prohibited access to weapons. happened to a friend of mines dad. had to store all their firearms and hunting knives somewhere else.

.cheese.
August 1, 2008, 12:48 PM
inert bomb?

Wouldn't that just be called a prop?

I see those things for sale all the time in surplus stores. What's wrong with having a neat little piece of history?

News Shooter
August 1, 2008, 12:49 PM
I know you're not going to believe this, but in MA an empty shell casing of whatever size is illegal to possess without a permit

Dravur
August 1, 2008, 12:51 PM
According to the Yellow journalists in Mass. I have a cache.... Good to know. Also, good to know that I would never, in a million years ever go near MA.

Must be terrible living under communist rule there.

.cheese.
August 1, 2008, 12:52 PM
I know you're not going to believe this, but in MA an empty shell casing of whatever size is illegal to possess without a permit

Sadly, given that it's MA, I can believe it.

paintballdude902
August 1, 2008, 12:56 PM
DEAR GOD PEOPLE HE HAD AN INERT BOMB

wait does this mean im gonna be arrested for my inert hand grenade or am inert 20mm?

MJRW
August 1, 2008, 12:58 PM
It never said he had 50 guns. It said he had "50 weapons" and then spoke about his "massive cache of guns, knifes, and ammo." He appears to only have 10 counts of illegal possession of a firearm. Guess he has a lot of knives, too.

Drgong
August 1, 2008, 01:05 PM
Yep, this is another tidbit.

At this time, police continue to search Webster’s home, out buildings, trailers and vehicles on the property. Investigators have pulled out a collection of over 50 weapons including a .22-caliber gun that looks like a pen, assorted shotguns, assault rifles, an empty bomb encasement, cases of ammunition, and a 50-pound bag of gun power.

At the time of his arrest on July 1, Webster was wearing several knives around his waist, and told police he did not have a gun, according to court records. Barnstable officers Scott Wright, Kevin Donovan and Mark Mellyn later found a fully-loaded 9 mm Daringer pistol in the front pocket of Webster’s pants, according to court records.

Police also found a fully-loaded 9 mm Ruger semi-automatic pistol in Webster’s car along with $16,125, according to the records in which Webster is described as unemployed.

Webster told the police July 1 he didn’t need a gun permit because the U.S. Constitution gives him the right to bear arms, Murphy said.

rondog
August 1, 2008, 01:07 PM
Doesn't sound like the guy's too mentally stable to begin with, with the domestic violence issues. He may be truly dangerous.

Regen
August 1, 2008, 01:16 PM
In order to be a cache, doesn't it have to be hidden? I usually thing of a cache of firearms or ammo as firearms or ammo in a waterproof container buried somewhere near a rally point for use when you can't get to your main supply/resupply lines.

El Tejon
August 1, 2008, 01:17 PM
50 weapons? In Indiana we call that a "starter kit".:D

kentucky bucky
August 1, 2008, 01:18 PM
This would be known as a " Nice Collection" in Kentucky.

Harry Paget Flashman
August 1, 2008, 01:19 PM
"We really don't know what his intentions were," Murphy said. Webster allegedly also collected survivalist equipment, including generators, cans of gasoline and ham radios, along with the weapons. - the link

Obviously Webster crossed the line with the generators. No man needs more than one. :barf:

sojournerhome
August 1, 2008, 01:20 PM
Reading the article and the side board. He had 2 restaining orders (1998/2005) against him from divorces. In Mass. when a restaining order is issued usually firearms are collected and the FID card that allows them to have/purchase said firearms is collected by the police.

So, he got caught in a technicality and a lie that he had no firearms.

skua44
August 1, 2008, 02:06 PM
Wow! It seems that not only do I hoard a massive cache of deadly guns and a huge stockpile of live bloodthirsty ammunition, since I have a board privacy fence around the backyard, it is all inside the "compound". Really surprised they didn't work that word in there somehow.

onebigelf
August 1, 2008, 02:27 PM
"So exactly what law was broken? Possessing some guns? He had "over 1000 rounds of live ammunition". In my neighborhood that would be a modest supply.
He also had a "generator and some gasoline". What?
Has Massachusetts gone crazy?"

Ted Kennedy's home state? This was in the nature of a rhetorical question, right?

John

doorman
August 1, 2008, 02:35 PM
Oh no. I have two boxes of Federal 550 pack of .22 lr. purchased at Wal-Mart. I guess 1,100 rounds sounds pretty impressive in the news media.

larry starling
August 1, 2008, 02:43 PM
Well I guess about 99% of the posters on this forum are guilty as well?????:neener:

Savage Shooter
August 1, 2008, 02:47 PM
"We really don't know what his intentions were,"
heres a thought maybe he JUST LIKES GUNS :fire:
note to self: NEVER move to maine.
and I thought my state was strict man these guys take it to a whole new level. :D

yeti
August 1, 2008, 03:23 PM
note to self: NEVER move to maine.

Where did that come from?

El Tejon
August 1, 2008, 03:25 PM
People think that ME=MA. I blame the NEA.:D

SSN Vet
August 1, 2008, 03:32 PM
GUILTY!




(of being a lousy husband.......probably because he wasn't the same gender..........it's MA afterall)

jrfoxx
August 1, 2008, 04:41 PM
and a 50-pound bag of gun power
other than for artillery, has powder even come in bags? Unless he pored it into a big burlap sack himself, or has a HUGE Ziplock, gunpowder in a bag seems VERY odd. I imagine thats a screwup by the cops or writer, as I cant imagine why you'd put poder in a bag when cans or other hard containers are better for so many reasons. Wonder if it was a bag of lead shot and they screwed up the statement.

rondog
August 1, 2008, 04:55 PM
Meh, lead shot, gunpowder, same thing to the media. But he had FIFTY POUNDS OF IT!!!!!!
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/rinselman/smilies/onoz_omg2.gif

Drgong
August 1, 2008, 05:00 PM
rondog, you owe me a keyboard...:D

Gibbles
August 1, 2008, 07:56 PM
rondog, you owe me a keyboard...

+1 I just spit my drink all over my keyboard when I passed by that one. :D

Elza
August 1, 2008, 08:25 PM
The massive cache of guns, knives and ammo — a .50-caliber handgun and .50-caliber sniper rifle, sawed-off shotguns, high-powered assault rifles, an inert bomb, throwing knives, bayonets and more than 1,000 live rounds,They’d crap down both legs if they ever saw my place. Just my last order of ammo was 2,000 rounds!

ptmmatssc
August 1, 2008, 08:38 PM
Just curious . Never heard of a 9mm "Daringer" . Is that something new or something old?

Gibbles
August 1, 2008, 08:39 PM
They’d crap down both legs if they ever saw my place. Just my last order of ammo was 2,000 rounds!

2,000 rounds?!
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Sorry I had to. :o

Drgong
August 1, 2008, 08:43 PM
I think we have a mascot image :p

230RN
August 2, 2008, 01:36 AM
With utmost sympathy...

... for the loss of your dear Freedom.

:(

Guns and more
August 2, 2008, 11:49 AM
The fact that the writer used the term "live ammunition" would indicate a bias against guns. "Live ammunition" sounds more dangerous than "ammunition". Why it could go off at any second!

subierex
August 2, 2008, 12:05 PM
I have a "cache" (aka, a "set) of steak knives in my kitchen. I'm probably on a list somewhere as a "knife nut".

mewachee
August 2, 2008, 12:07 PM
I have a real problem with them denoting a .50 handgun as some kind of assault weapon. He didn't call it that, but the he insinuated it.

And high power assault rifles, what is that .223 and .308?

I think that we should push for our local media to have writers/reporters trained on the uses of individual firearms. NRA classes would be a start. With that said, all NRA instructors should make an active effort to invite such individuals to such class. These guys need learn to report facts.

subierex
August 2, 2008, 12:08 PM
doorman

Oh no. I have two boxes of Federal 550 pack of .22 lr. purchased at Wal-Mart. I guess 1,100 rounds sounds pretty impressive in the news media.

Sounds like you're probably about to start an armed insurrection. You're probably on a list too. :neener:

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