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Beskytte
August 1, 2008, 08:04 PM
I'm new to this forum, my friend recommended it since he got on and he just bought his first handgun (a CZ75b-SA). I have a couple different choices, but I'll probably end up only owning three handguns. If I don't decide I'll become some collector and end up buying 30 of them and using all my money on them. So you can see why I need to decide now.... Anyway, I have some time to decide since I'll be buying a SKS soon, for deer hunting, almost that time again.

My top choices for handguns are:
CZ possibly SP-01
Taurus PT-92
Taurus PT-24/7 in .45
Kel-Tec PF9 for ccw
FN Five-Seven
Baby Eagle probably in .45
Edit: two more FNs, HP MKIII and the FNP9 (mostly SAO)

Also, a couple others I wanted but will just end up being collectors if I buy them:
Luger P08
Mauser
Calico (might end up owning a calico rifle)

I was leaning towards the CZ SP-01. Truthfully, the deal breaker is whether the mags are interchangeable between this and the CZ75b-SA (for emergency situations). Also, I wanted the tactical block with the bayonet...

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Chipperman
August 1, 2008, 08:10 PM
but I'll probably end up only owning three handguns


Bwaaaahaaaaahaaaa!
Good one!

Anyway, Welcome to THR. If you continue to hang around here, that sentiment will go right out the window.


Have you tried out all or some of those choices? You need to see what fits your hands best and what you shoot well before you choose. For ME, I'd choose the CZ first off that list, but every shooter has different preferences.

jdc1244
August 1, 2008, 08:18 PM
I have an SP-01 and can recommend it; I’d shy away from the Taurus.

CountGlockula
August 1, 2008, 08:18 PM
Welcome aboard!

Chip has it correct:
Have you tried out all or some of those choices?

How much pistol experience do you have, if you don't mind me asking?

The reason why, is that a lot of first time buyers actually purchase through emotions rather than wisdom. In the end, those emotional purchases end up a regret.

Pat-inCO
August 1, 2008, 08:24 PM
If I don't decide I'll become some collector and end up buying 30 of them and using all my money on them.
HAHAHAHAHA! Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated!

DO NOT buy a 1911. Once I did that . . . . . .
well, I've been virtually broke ever since. :D

CZs are good, Dan Wesson CBOB (also CZ) is very good. I LOVE Kimbers, and so it goes.

Resistance is futile. You WILL be assimilated. ;)

capttom
August 1, 2008, 08:26 PM
Like chipperman, I appreciate the 3-gun resolve! After getting to know some of the members here, I feel definitely undergunned, with three 9mils, 3 .22s, and one each .38 Special, 7.65 Mauser, and .32 ACP. That's out of dozens, maybe hundreds I've had over the decades. You certainly have an eclectic selection. Let us know how your acquisitions progress.

Beskytte
August 1, 2008, 08:30 PM
I regret to say that I have never even fired a pistol. I only know one man personally that owns a handgun and he's a cop... and the rest of my experience is limited to two rifles. A 30-30 and a 30-06. It's not that my family hates guns, my dad probably has more than 10 rifles and a few shotguns, he's just never had a reason to buy a hangun. Although we do have an old .44 that's rusted shut in every way...

crebralfix
August 1, 2008, 08:43 PM
Gotta agree with the other guys...three gun limit? You will see...call us in a year.

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Everyone has their opinion on guns. In general, I have found that deviating from certain handgun manufacturers results in...underperforming firearms.

For example, I have just purchased a Kel Tec PF9. I compared it side by side with my Glock 19. Just comparing the plastic frames is very indicative of quality: Glocks are MUCH nicer. Even the metal on the Glock is done better. I can see the reasons why a new Glock costs around $560 new (with tax, in a gun store in my area) and the PF9 is under $300.

That does NOT mean the PF9 will be a bad gun. I suspect that it will handle 50-100 rounds a year for the rest of my life. I'm sure across 2,500-5,000 rounds it will need some maintenance, but it should be relatively minor stuff. The Glock, on the other hand, has survived 10,000+ rounds in under three years...numerous courses...and killer attack bunnies.

Of the guns listed, I'd definitely go with the CZ. They have an excellent reputation.

Ask to take some of those guns apart and compare them side by side. What's the finish like? Do the parts look robust and precision machined? Do you see tool marks? What's made from plastic?

If you think in terms of the gun as a safety device, then how much is it worth to you for that device to function well through not only a real situation, but also all your practice?

***

BTW, your second gun should be identical to your first gun. That way, you have a backup in case your gun breaks. This happened to me with a P220 and I had no other gun. A $2 part that broke disabled the weapon. If you practice frequently, then you definitely need to have a maintenance manual, parts, tools, and an extra gun.

***

If you intend to use your guns only for "range games", then you may wish to consider a handgun in 22 Long Rifle. 550 rounds of ammo costs under $15 at Walmart. You'll learn good skills, have fun, and not break the bank.

Good luck! Let "The Search" begin!

burningsquirrels
August 1, 2008, 08:46 PM
all CZ magazines of the same caliber interchange.

the only time it will not is when you try a compact magazine in a fullsize gun; obviously, the magazine for hte compact is shorter.

the sp-01 is an excellent choice and is also head and shoulders above the rest in that list.

schmeky
August 1, 2008, 08:52 PM
Did someone say the SP-01 is an excellent choice ??

If you start with a CZ, and you like pistols, well, uh, limiting yourself to 3 won't be an option. 1911's, Glocks, CZ's, S&W, etc. all have a place in a collection.

burningsquirrels
August 1, 2008, 08:56 PM
almost forgot. schmeky made a good point.

you really should add to that list:

glock 17, 19
S&W M&P 9mm
springfield XD-9
sig p226
beretta 92

all 9mm with solid reputations and used widely in competition. the sig is kinda pricey unless you buy certified pre owned (CPO), and the beretta is pretty big (to me), but the sp-01 is no lightweight either.

thinking ahead to compatibility with your friend's CZ-75SA is thoughtful.

jdc1244
August 1, 2008, 09:01 PM
…three gun limit?

It’s possible:

3 CZs

3 1911s

etc, etc… ;):)

Beskytte
August 1, 2008, 09:04 PM
Okay, I should have been more clear on the intended purposes of my future guns. I intend to get two 9mm and a .45 mostly for sport shooting, plus a .22 (for bed-side?) and a 9mm (for ccw), already have a .22 pistol picked out.

And thanks for the mag answer, I'll have to check on the sizes again, but it should work out, or that's what I heard earlier. And here's a picture of the .22, I'll have to find the name, kinda forgot it...

don95sml
August 1, 2008, 09:05 PM
Beskytte said:
I regret to say that I have never even fired a pistol.
Before buying anything, the first advice you should heed is to do some shooting. Is there a place near you that rents handguns so that you could try various models? Is there a local club where you could take a basic handgun handling and safety course? Do you have a friend that could go with you to one of those places and double your enjoyment? Handgun shooting is a lot different from rifle or shotgun shooting, so you really should try to get some experience before making a buying decision.

CountGlockula
August 1, 2008, 09:15 PM
Take a class and you'll be a step closer in your purchase.

Beskytte
August 1, 2008, 09:20 PM
Well, don95sml, I don't live near any place I can shoot. Except my friend's who lives in the country. And I live in a small town, I didn't even know you could "rent" firearms. Plus, as I said, my friend will be the first person to own a handgun that I know. Hopefully by Thursday, I'll know if I want a CZ. BTW, I did intend to take a class once I got a handgun. I had a shooter safety course when I was in the Boy Scouts, but that was a long time ago and it was mainly for shotguns.

johnson_n
August 1, 2008, 09:23 PM
What will you be using it for?

burningsquirrels
August 1, 2008, 11:19 PM
if it's for sporting, then any of the pistols i listed above are great. USPSA is dominated mostly by glocks, XD, CZs, M&P, SIGs, and berettas... in about that order.

you'll want the longer barrel of the CZ SP-01 and the Glock 34 and the XD-9 tactical and the M&P Pro for sporting use.

glocks have the most aftermarket parts behind the 1911, but it's a close race.

the 1911-style for sporting use is very popular anytime you need a large caliber handgun. USPSA has its own division, 'single stack'. 1911 style frames can also be had in double stack for high capacity.



before you do any pistol buying, go to the nearest gun shop, even if it's an hour away, and fondle all the pistols you can, and ask the gun shop folks for advice. you can rent a few to shoot at the range. it'll cost money to do so, but look at it this way:

you can spend $75 trying a few handguns at the range and walk away with the pistol that works best... or,

you can buy a pistol off the bat, and when it sucks for you, you loose $200 for the trade-in value, and you still haven't found what works for you.

mgkdrgn
August 2, 2008, 05:01 PM
"If I don't decide I'll become some collector and end up buying 30 of them and using all my money on them."

And that would be a problem why? ;-)

acmax95
August 3, 2008, 12:01 AM
I own the Taurus 24/7 except mine is a .40. I have had it for two years now and never had an issue with it. I can't compare it to anything because I haven't shot any similar guns. It was my first handgun and I don't regret buying it.

My friend recently bought the Taurus 92 and he loves that gun. I don't know of any issues that he has had with it.

I also own an RIA 1911 Tactical that is a great gun for the money.

GZOh
August 3, 2008, 07:37 AM
Beskytte... Ya got alot of real good advice on alotta real good guns from guys who shoot 'em... Best advice starts with what burningsquirrels said:

"Before you do any pistol buying, go to the nearest gun shop, even if it's an hour away, and fondle all the pistols you can, and ask the gun shop folks for advice. you can rent a few to shoot at the range. it'll cost money to do so, but look at it this way: you can spend $75 trying a few handguns at the range and walk away with the pistol that works best... or, you can buy a pistol off the bat, and when it sucks for you, you loose $200 for the trade-in value, and you still haven't found what works for you."

Guns are a major purchase that will be with you for years! Take the time to see 'em, hold 'em and shoot 'em before you buy... then you'll KNOW what's right for you! Really, there's no rush, so take your time... Frustration is owning a $400-500 gun you REALLY DON'T LIKE!!!

jlh26oo
August 3, 2008, 07:58 AM
My top choices for handguns are:
CZ possibly SP-01
Taurus PT-92
Taurus PT-24/7 in .45
Kel-Tec PF9 for ccw
FN Five-Seven
Baby Eagle probably in .45
Also, a couple others I wanted but will just end up being collectors if I buy them:
Luger P08
Mauser
Calico (might end up owning a calico rifle)

Out of those I'd go with the C.Z. S.P.01.

memphisjim
August 3, 2008, 08:02 AM
get a glock
no

Walkalong
August 3, 2008, 09:43 AM
…three gun limit?
It’s possible:

Says who?

3 CZs

3 1911s

etc, etc…Ohhhhh. I get it. :D

Well, I still flunked though. ;)


you really should add to that list:

glock 17, 19
S&W M&P 9mm
springfield XD-9
sig p226
beretta 92Agreed.

XD 9MM is my vote.

burningsquirrels
August 3, 2008, 10:51 AM
beskytte, keep us updated with what's going on. we just want to make sure you cross-shop so that you can get the right pistol. :)

some of us are die-hard CZ nuts and even we're saying, cross shop, cross shop, cross shop! :)

Master of Arms
August 3, 2008, 02:48 PM
I had a CZ 75 B in satin nickle finish that I thought would be an awsome addition to my collection until a friend of mine and I were at a pistol match and he decided that he wanted to shoot after we got there so I allowed him to use the CZ and I used my GLOCK. The first part of the matc h was simple plates. He stepped up, started firing, ding,ding,ding Clickk the first of three jams. I took it to a gun show a week later and traded it to some poor soul for a nice Ruger M77 .300 mag. Get a Glock or Springfield or Sig. o buddy, o pal.

Beskytte
August 4, 2008, 02:53 AM
Hey guys, sorry I've been away for a couple days. Some serious crap is going on in my life right now... It would be hard to explain, especially to some strangers (sorry if that word offends, I'm sure you won't be for long ;) ).

Thanks for all the advice, I'll get out to the gun shop and see what I can get my hands on. And my friend that got the CZ75b-SA, I went and fired it. It was a great experience. I love the gun, all he had done was polished the feed ramp and oiled a couple places and it shot accurately and beautifully. Which makes me think I'll be leaning toward the SP-01 even more...

I think I misspoke earlier... When I said sport shooting, I think I meant hobby shooting, I don't plan on getting in to competitions unless I get everything in order sooner.

One more thing, I'll be getting an SKS first. Even then, I don't think I'll be able to purchase it for another month... I'll post pictures somewhere when I get it.

To tell the truth, I'll want to get the .22 first. Its a light shooting gun, and I need the pistol experience. If anyone has a good idea of a .22 I might like, feel free to suggest something. So far what I like is the Walther P22 (about $335?) and the Luger Stoeger ($200-$400?). Oh, and give prices if you can. I'll be on a budget for a little while.

burningsquirrels
August 4, 2008, 08:33 AM
if you get a CZ, you can get the $280 .22lr kadet kit that fits on most CZ fullsize pistols. this way you can practice with what you shoot on a normal basis.

i love my p22, but the gun itself it's a mixed bag. it requires a little work and a thousand rounds to work 100% on the cheap ammo.

Beskytte
August 4, 2008, 04:47 PM
Ah yeah, I thought about getting the Kadet conversion kit for something, but its $2-300 for the .22 kit and another $500 or so for the gun. BTW, my friend loves his CZ, he doesn't like the plastic grips too much and he says he will end up making g-10 grips for it.

And I'd like to add an FN Herstal to the list, once I find a name or two. Can't get enough of those FNs.
Edit: Okay, I was looking through the site, and what they have is the HP MK III. Basically it looks like a CZ pre-b clone or vice versa... Its also single action only, which is what I'm going for right now. The others I like from the same are, the FNP9 SAO or the FNP9 SA/DA with or without the manual safety (SA/DA would be fine, but I'd probably never carry it). BTW, don't know any prices yet, and here's the FNH site for pistols. http://www.fnherstal.com/index.php?id=263

Fried found this at the local gun shop, always wanted a Luger. http://www.recguns.com/Pictures/Images/mark_ii.jpg

Beskytte
August 8, 2008, 10:00 PM
Well, I think I'm close to a decision. It's still a toss up, and there's a revolver in the mix now... In .22 there's the Kel-Tec PLR22, the Nagant 1895 in 7.62 or .32 long, or a EAA Witness in .45 with a .22 conversion. I think I'm leaning towards the Witness, it's cheaper than everything else and it gets good reviews. I wanted to know everyone's thoughts about it first. BTW, a handgun became my first priority when I started getting threats a couple weeks ago, I'd rather not go into details either. Thanks for the help.

crebralfix
August 9, 2008, 07:40 AM
SKS = good first rifle. Ammo prices are reasonable and the gun is reliable and accurate enough for "social" use.

A friend of mine was selling a CZ and Kadet kit. The gun was a jamomatic with common 9mm ball ammo. The Kadet kit was fine, though.

If you go for a 22 handgun, the Ruger 22/45, Ruger MK 2 or 3, and the Browning Buckmark are excellent. I have (or had) all three and they are very reliable and accurate.

Check CDNN and Summit Gun Broker. They usually have pretty good deals on used guns.

Beskytte
August 11, 2008, 11:17 AM
Thanks crebralfix, I'm still considering a few things, and it might be a couple more weeks before I can fit a gun into the budget. I'll probably be getting an old Nagant Revolver first, Then I'm considering getting a Witness in .45 and.22 http://www.gunsatcost.com/item/2906_EAA_Hand_Guns_Pistols_European_American_Armory_.aspx
or a CZ SP-01 and a Kadet conversion kit. The Witness is $450 and the CZ and kit is ~$850. This is what I've narrowed it down to. I really want the CZ, but I need a pistol soon...

AnaxImperator
August 11, 2008, 01:47 PM
The 1895 Nagant revolver is definitely a fun little piece, but it's fairly expensive to shoot, although .32 conversion cylinders are available, and it's possible to fire .32S&W Longs, although the cases will bulge slightly. I have one of my own, and it's been a hoot at the range.
Here's the Gunboards Nagant Forum (http://forums.gunboards.com/forumdisplay.php?f=18). Lots of great information there.

You might also want to pick up a Mosin Nagant (or three) rifle; they're cheap, strong, packs a punch, and there's a plethora of them to collect. A Mosin Nagant M91/30 was what started my intense collecting habits, and Mosinitis is a pleasantly uncurable affliction. For hunting the 7.62x54R is an excellent cartridge, and is used regularly by many to take everything from boar to elk. There are at least a few Gunboards members who have taken black bear with their Mosin Nagants, and FWIU the rifles are popular in Europe for bear & large-game hunting as well. Mosins are capable of great accuracy (especially Finnish MNs), and they make great camp rifles (especially the carbines).

But as for handguns, I'll suggest the Makarov, FEG PA-63, or CZ-82 in 9x18mm, and a Tokarev (Russian, Polish or Norinco preferrably) & CZ-52 in 7.62x25mm.
Makarovs & the PA-63 in particular are very easy to carry & find ammunition for, have a decent amount of punch, and along with the Tokarev, are extremely reliable & affordable (ranging between $150-$250).

I carry my Norinco M213 (Tokarev-clone) 9mm every day, and it too is very easy to conceal, even though it's a full-size autoloader. I particularly like Tokarevs because they exhibit AK-like reliability, are extremely simple, and are acceptably accurate. Of the many handguns I've fired, the Tokarev makes accurate Mozambique-drills almost effortless. :D Still, I'd prefer something a little smaller for concealed-carry, and the Makarov or PA-63 would fit the bill nicely; but I'll still utilize the Norinco 213 for open-carry, which I do frequently.
Have you considered the Zastava M88 (http://www.eaacorp.com/zastava-m88-description.html)? It's based on the Tokarev design, and comes in either 9mm or .40S&W.

crebralfix
August 12, 2008, 08:50 AM
Though I think someone mentioned it, there are currently many SIG P225 (P6's) available for under $300. This is a fine 9mm pistol that's concealable and is just fine for hobby shooting.

This is probably the best deal going right now.

Beskytte
August 26, 2008, 03:06 AM
Well, thank you both very much. I'm going to be looking at handguns tomorrow, and I'm starting to like the Sig Sauer P225/P6 the more I read about it. I'll try to update you tomorrow on what I find.

I'll also look into the Tokarevs and Makarovs. I've been interested in those before. And it already looks like I'll become a collector despite everything. So, I'll end up getting the CZ SP-01 and probably a couple others...

I'll check back in awhile, when I end up buying that first pistol. Or when I get a Nagant and want some info on getting a cylinder swap.:cool:

Btw, my friend is getting his Type 3 C&R. So, we'll probably be getting a few Nagant revolvers and Mosins. Also, I won't be able to carry until November 2009. Missouri law says 23 is the carry age.

Loomis
August 26, 2008, 03:32 AM
I keep buying handguns and I keep shooting handguns. and I keep trying new handguns. And I keep coming back to the same old basic ones.

1911 colt
K frame smith

For concealed carry, I havn't yet started to gravitate consistently around any particular type or brand just yet.

BlindJustice
August 26, 2008, 10:26 AM
Personally, I'd never sell/trade a gun I knew to have problems
without making full disclosure, as well as an effort to figure out a
cure to a problem. Makes me leery of gun shows and gunbroker
for that matter.

CZ 75B experience, I have the blued model - 800 rds so far 100%
reliability of a wide variety of 115/124/147 gr bullet weights
in FMJ & JHPs. Simple field strip and re-assembly. Very accurate.
The mag. capacity is 16 rds, although the last rd is such a PITA
I just fill em with 15 rds. The 19 rd capacity mags for the SP-01
magazines will fit in the 75B. On the Kadet .22 LR conversion kit,
I've heard from the SP-01, and the Compact CZ owners that it
has some issues in models other than the standard 75B.

Winchester White Box referred to comonly on bun boards is going
for $18.50/100 rds approx. right now. I got the 75B in 9x19 for a more
economical range gun as well as a backup for my SW1911 in .45 ACP.
It's lighter in recoil, and I like the DA first shot option, as well as the
shape of the grip/trigger ergos.

.22 LR - I'll reserve opinion, I have a 617 S&W & would love to
find a S&W Model 18 in decent shape - I had one years ago, as my
first gun, at least I sold it to a close friend and it served him well also.

Randall

burningsquirrels
August 26, 2008, 10:39 AM
our sp-01 experience... 2200 rounds, haven't noticed anything yet.

our CZ experience as a whole... haven't found any problems yet.

Beskytte
August 26, 2008, 09:40 PM
Okay, went into Denny's Gunshop in Kansas City. There was a lot to look at there. Held a few things and considered a lot. I've decided I want a Baby Eagle/ Jericho IMI, there was a Jericho IMI there for $400. If it isn't there when I go back (my friend said he'd buy it out from under me), I'll get the EAA Zastava M88 they had. I like the feel of both, and they were under the range I was willing to spend. The EAA was $260. Also messed with a FNP40, they had no 9s, and a FN hi-power, didn't like those as much as I thought I would. Think I might like Glocks too. So, I might end up buying a Glock 34 at some point.
I'll be going back in a couple weeks, I'll update this thread then.

Beskytte
September 2, 2008, 01:52 AM
Finally decided and bought a Walther P-22 (or put a down payment on it). Thoughts on the gun? Things I need to know about it? Who hates it and who loves it? Any other questions, like, why I went with this instead of my other choices?

varoadking
September 2, 2008, 06:23 AM
I wanted the tactical block with the bayonet...

:rolleyes:

Why on earth?

chriske
September 3, 2008, 10:14 AM
Beskytte, welcome to THR.
You'll come to love it here in no time . I know I did.

In my experience, neither my FN HP nor my CZ (albeit a 75-B) ever let me down (except for a broken slide stop on the CZ after what... something between 5 and 10K rounds or so)

My advice is to try ( handle & shoot) as many different guns as you can.
Then, of those you felt most comfortable with, choose the one that looks best to you.

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