Heller, FFLs in D.C., and C&R


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SomeKid
August 2, 2008, 04:15 AM
So, I was wondering. Now that D.C. residents can register pistols again, and now that we are moving in the right direction, some questions came to mind.

Since there are at present no known FFLs who do transfers in D.C., what if Heller or someone else applied/received a C&R license? Then, they could literally have firearms shipped to their home, and the police chief does not have to approve the license. Are there any C&R eligible rifles or pistols that would drive D.C. up the wall? Could it be useful for paving roads to increase our 2A protections? Does anyone else see ways this could be quite useful in making life tough on the city of D.C.?

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Kharn
August 2, 2008, 10:04 AM
There are very large numbers of C&R 1911s available.

Loads of Warsaw Pact weapons (Makarovs, CZ52s, Tokarevs, etc) too.

Kharn

jdc1244
August 2, 2008, 10:19 AM
There are very large numbers of C&R 1911s available.

True but price may be prohibitive.


Are there any C&R eligible rifles or pistols that would drive D.C. up the wall?

Id say a Yugo SKS would do the trick.

armoredman
August 2, 2008, 10:20 AM
No autoloaders currently allowed, forsee a BIG market for Russian Nagant revolvers and .32 conversion cylinders.

Solo Flyer
August 2, 2008, 11:45 AM
CZ 82 in 9mm Makarov would be an excellent choice.Plenty of punch,easily concealable ,still used by the Czech Army and Police to some extent.
Only released as C&R by the ATF fairly recently.
Auto loaders will be onboard once Fenty loses all his suits!And yes the Yugo 59 SKS is perfect,jdc1244.
Checking prices ,the CZ 82 about $200.00.The Yugo 59 in good shape about the same.
I like your idea,SomeKid!

http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting2006/cz82/index.asp
http://www.surplusrifle.com/sks/index.asp

CypherNinja
August 2, 2008, 05:27 PM
SUPER EXPENSIVE I know, but can you imagine somebody registering a Mauser C96 with the stock and everything? :D

Or a stocked HighPower?

:D :D

TexasRifleman
August 2, 2008, 05:29 PM
No autoloaders currently allowed, forsee a BIG market for Russian Nagant revolvers and .32 conversion cylinders.

Isn't it sickening to think that in DC one of the few C&R eligible handguns that also satisfies Fenty is a relic from the Communists?

Fitting I guess.......

TallPine
August 2, 2008, 06:03 PM
Just thinking ... a DC resident could buy a BP cap and ball revolver anywhere (outside DC) without an FFL transfer, or maybe even have it shipped mail order. ;)

Maybe not the best defensive weapon in this day in time, but certainly better than 911 Dial-a-Prayer.

LAR-15
August 2, 2008, 07:41 PM
With a conversion cylinder too :)

Novus Collectus
August 2, 2008, 07:49 PM
Just thinking ... a DC resident could buy a BP cap and ball revolver anywhere (outside DC) without an FFL transfer, or maybe even have it shipped mail order.

Maybe not the best defensive weapon in this day in time, but certainly better than 911 Dial-a-Prayer.Two things. A cap and ball revolver was legal even during the ban. However the only way to legally own the ammunition components for it is if they had a rifle registered in the same caliber (a shotgun would work I would think because of the ball shaped shot).
The same thing applies today, if they have a handgun or long gun registered in the same caliber, then they can possess the components too.
I am waiting for a response from the MPD, but I think the trigger lock law would not apply to the loaded antique revolver.

The second thing is about conversion cylinders. Since a DC resident can buy a cap and ball revolver and a cartridge conversion cylinder in MD and VA, they can buy it, convert it to a modern revoler, then bring it back to DC for registration.

I asked the DC Metro Police Department if it is legal for a DC resident to bring in a legally owned antique converted to a modern revolver into the District for registration and they said yes, it is a handgun that can be registered in DC by a DC resident.

One important detail though, the "conversion" to a "modern" handgun must occur outside the District because they have a law against making your own handgun inside the city.

An 1858 Remington replica C&B revolver can be converted to a cartridge firing modern revolver in seconds with a R&D drop in conversion cylinder. Total cost new will be about $450 at the cheapest.

Novus Collectus
August 2, 2008, 07:52 PM
No autoloaders currently allowed, forsee a BIG market for Russian Nagant revolvers and .32 conversion cylinders.As it stands at the moment, most semi auto fixed mag handguns with a mag holding less than 11 rounds is legal to register in the District.
For instance, a 1896 Mauser with a ten round fixed mag would be legal and if made after 1898 it can be registered.

Novus Collectus
August 2, 2008, 07:59 PM
Since there are at present no known FFLs who do transfers in D.C., what if Heller or someone else applied/received a C&R license? Then, they could literally have firearms shipped to their home,Currently there is no exemption for the "machine gun" rule for C&R FFLs, so no detachable mag semis according to the Distirct.
There is no exception on the registration and purchase/acquisition requirements for C&R collectors either I think....however I think this ONLY applies to within the city.
As I read it a person with a C&R can go out of state and buy an 1895 Nagant and bring it back to DC for registration. I see absolutely no reason why not and I believe aven before the ban ended one could get a C&R FFL from the ATF because they were allowed to buy long guns at the time.

Yes, a C&R FFL is one way to get a handgun for a DC resident as I see it, however, the emergency legislation only allows for one handgun registration until the 90 days is up and they pass a permanent handgun law. So they can only currtently buy one C&R handgun to bring it back to DC....but since an FFL can keep part of their collection in a storage facility or something, they can possibly purchase more than one C&R handgun as long as they do not bring the extras back to DC at the moment as I understand it..

Sistema1927
August 2, 2008, 08:04 PM
Any pre-1958 S&W revolver would also qualify as C&R.

Possibly a nice .38-44 HD, a 1917, or a nice flat latch Chief's Special?

Novus Collectus
August 2, 2008, 08:28 PM
An M1917 would be awesome because they are so quick to load...... if it wasn't for the stupid lock law too though.

Sam Adams
August 3, 2008, 10:28 AM
Are there any C&R eligible rifles or pistols that would drive D.C. up the wall?

How about a 20-shot revolver? Go about 1/2 way down the page to look at a cylinder that'd drive Fenty out of his mind: http://www.hellinahandbasket.net/2007/04/double_barreled_revolvers.htm

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