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dburkhead
August 2, 2008, 07:42 AM
Yesterday, I went shopping for what is intended as my primary home-defense handgun (and carry gun once my Indiana license comes through). From the beginning, I'd intended to get a 1911.

And so I went down to the gun shop where I also do most of my shooting. Since I'm kind of budget conscious, I looked over several used ones they had--a Norinco, a Rock Island Armory, and one other I don't remember. However, sitting on the shelf above, for only about $100 more was a brand new Taurus PT 1911 AR, that just called out my name.

One NICS check later, I'm on my way home with the new Taurus.

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SHOOT1SAM
August 2, 2008, 08:11 AM
Good score!! It pays to not have tunnel vision.

Sam

Eric F
August 2, 2008, 08:17 AM
One NICS check later, I'm on my way home with the new Taurus.

Home? Get some ammo and get to a range and let us know how it does.

dburkhead
August 2, 2008, 08:28 AM
Going to the range is a bit awkward since I don't have a carry license yet and Indiana law is pretty limited on where one might transport a handgun:

Without a license one is limited in carrying to the following:
"or any person while carrying a handgun unloaded
and in a secure wrapper from the place of purchase
to their home or business or to and from a place
of repair or in moving from one place of abode or
business to another."

And that restriction makes no difference between concealed or unconcealed.

That looks to me like, until my carry license arrives, I cannot legally take the gun even to the range.

Eric F
August 2, 2008, 08:35 AM
or to and from a place
of repair or in moving from one place of abode or
business to another."


Yes officer I am moving from my home at(address) to my new home (address) which happens to be a range!;)

steelyblue
August 2, 2008, 08:35 AM
If you have a membership or are paying to use a range, you have business there, no? A range is a place of business. Take it to the range and do your business!!!!!

JDGray
August 2, 2008, 12:26 PM
Sounds like Indiana has some absurd laws! At least in MI, you can drive to the range, with an unloaded gun in the trunk, or out of reach in your truck with the ammo in a different out of reach place:scrutiny:

mtngunr
August 2, 2008, 01:40 PM
Any chance you could trade it on the Norinco?....if it were me, I would have taken the Norinco, especially for $100 less than the Taurus....but good luck with your new gun, and enjoy....in regards to vehicles, my state considers the POV an extension of the home, no permit required for loaded weapon in the passenger compartment so long as it's in the open, or in the glove box or console ONLY...under the seat, in the map pocket, etc is verboten.

mr.trooper
August 2, 2008, 05:00 PM
Going to the range is a bit awkward since I don't have a carry license yet and Indiana law is pretty limited on where one might transport a handgun:

Without a license one is limited in carrying to the following:
"or any person while carrying a handgun unloaded
and in a secure wrapper from the place of purchase
to their home or business or to and from a place
of repair or in moving from one place of abode or
business to another."

And that restriction makes no difference between concealed or unconcealed.

That looks to me like, until my carry license arrives, I cannot legally take the gun even to the range.

Good grief Son! Don't tell me you read IC 35-47-2-1 and then didn't read IC 35-47-2-2, that says EXCEPTIONS in big bold letters just below it? You do NOT have to have a CCW to go to the range! you are allowed to transport firearms for sporting purposes. Target shooting at a range is a sporting purpose, just like Hunting.

Iv been living and shooting in Indiana My entire life.

READ UP:http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/code/title35/ar47/ch2.html

Now READ EXCEPTION #7:
(7) regularly enrolled members of any organization duly authorized to purchase or receive such weapons from the United States or from this state who are at or are going to or from their place of assembly or target practice;

As long as you legally own the weapon, you can commute to club meetings or a target range. The gun just needs to be unloaded and secured.

Even so, its not like CCW is hard to get in Indiana. you walk into the sheriffs office, fill out a form and go home. It takes 30 min of your time, and nearly everyone gets their license in the mail in a month tops. Indianas gun laws are very very lenient.

dburkhead
August 2, 2008, 05:22 PM
I did read that. "...regularly enrolled members of any organization duly authorized to purchase or receive such weapons...." (emphasis mine) which really looks like a "catch all" for government authorized organizations (like, say, a militia authorized by the State). When you add that there's a specific handgun license for "hunting and target shooting" it looks like strictly speaking, one cannot carry a gun to go to the range.

Now, maybe nobody will bother with you if you're going to and from the range, but all it takes is one overzealous cop/prosecutor combination to really screw up your ability to every own firearms ever again.

Maybe I'm being overly paranoid, but I figure I should have the license soon enough so why risk it?

Code3GT
August 2, 2008, 05:53 PM
As a former Indiana resident and LEO, I had always understood the law that it allowed unlicensed transport to a range no problem. Just keep it unloaded and put it in the trunk, you'll be fine. I've never met an LEO/prosecutor/judge that would make an issue of it, especially in the gun-friendly Hoosier state!

Lonestar49
August 2, 2008, 06:44 PM
As a former Indiana resident and LEO, I had always understood the law that it allowed unlicensed transport to a range no problem. Just keep it unloaded and put it in the trunk, you'll be fine. I've never met an LEO/prosecutor/judge that would make an issue of it, especially in the gun-friendly Hoosier state!



...

That, and drive legal, straight, no speeding, no pull-over, no ticket, no problems..

Luck and enjoy,


Ls

tuckerdog1
August 2, 2008, 07:33 PM
Congrats. I think you made the correct choice. Most that buy the PT1911 have been very happy with the gun. I think you get a lot for the dollar spent. A few have had problems, but those were generally minor & easily corrected.

The only thing I didn't like about mine, and this was a personal preference, was the grips. They were too rough on my tender mitts. Made a good excuse to swap out & dress up.

Enjoy.

Tuckerdog1

MICHAEL T
August 3, 2008, 01:44 AM
my self I would have bought the Norinco. A lot better pistol than the Taurus .Not as fancy but better quality

MT GUNNY
August 3, 2008, 07:31 PM
82507

dburkhead
August 3, 2008, 07:48 PM
Forgot pictures? Oh, well I can correct that:

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g206/dburkhead/pt1911inbox.jpg

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g206/dburkhead/pt1911leftside.jpg

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g206/dburkhead/pt1911rightside.jpg

rrflyer
August 3, 2008, 08:01 PM
nice shooter.

I had well over 5,000 rounds through mine with no problems when i sold it.

have fun.

hoosier8
August 3, 2008, 08:03 PM
Yes you are being paranoid. I took mine to the range before I had my CCW. Just take it in your case unloaded.

What part of Indiana are you from?

dburkhead
August 3, 2008, 08:04 PM
Indianapolis

mr.trooper
August 3, 2008, 10:18 PM
Look at it this way:

The State of Indiana OPERATES AND MAINTAINS multiple free, public, shooting ranges across the state through the DNR. You bring your guns and you shoot all you like for free; no baby sitters, no range officers, just you and your guns. They PROMOTE this, and PROVIDE it for you because the state supports the shooting sports.

You have to transport your guns to these locations. If this were illegal, or if it required a permit, then they wouldn't spend time, money, and man power to maintain them.

MaterDei
August 3, 2008, 10:25 PM
As a former Indiana resident and LEO, I had always understood the law that it allowed unlicensed transport to a range no problem. Just keep it unloaded and put it in the trunk, you'll be fine. I've never met an LEO/prosecutor/judge that would make an issue of it, especially in the gun-friendly Hoosier state!

Having to keep the gun unloaded and in the trunk is hardly gun friendly.

rondog
August 3, 2008, 10:35 PM
And so I went down to the gun shop where I also do most of my shooting.

Guess I'm confused....you couldn't shoot it there?:confused:

Oh, congratulations, BTW! And welcome to the wonderful world of 1911's!

dburkhead
August 3, 2008, 10:41 PM
When I was buying the gun, they had closed the range early for maintenance. :(

Actually, that may have been a good thing, since I did have to go and pick up my daughter from daycare.

That, BTW, reminds me of a question: one of the rules about carrying is not at a "preschool." Does a daycare count as a preschool or is it some daycares or are daycare and preschool completely different?

mr.trooper
August 3, 2008, 10:52 PM
Having to keep the gun unloaded and in the trunk is hardly gun friendly.

We don't mess with Texas...so why are you messing with us?

zachsm
August 3, 2008, 10:53 PM
Indianapolis? Can you tell me where you got it, so I can pick up that norinco

dburkhead
August 3, 2008, 10:55 PM
Pop Guns. Of course, I can't promise it will still be there. I bought the Taurus on Friday and they were open both Saturday and Sunday....

zachsm
August 3, 2008, 11:12 PM
thanks, good buy. I had good experience with taurus.

Confucius
August 3, 2008, 11:16 PM
Recently bought a taurus pt1911 with high hopes...will report from the range soon.

dburkhead
August 5, 2008, 09:23 PM
Okay, I'm willing to accept that taking a handgun to the range without a carry license is unlikely to be an issue (although the fact that one level of license in Indiana is Hunting/target shooting bothers me. Why issue a license for target shooting if you can do it without one?) it still wouldn't help my normal case. I usually go to the range on my lunch break which means instead of home-range-home, I've got home-work-range-work-home, which I strongly suspect is _not_ covered.

pistolero6869
August 7, 2008, 04:55 PM
Glad to hear you got yourself a new pistlol. Enjoy But Id go back and see if that Norinco 1911 45ACP is still there and if they will lay it away for you and you can pay it off a little at a time, As you will be able to shoot your norinco when your Taurus is on vacation at the sevice center in miami Fla being repaired... Good luck...

dburkhead
August 17, 2008, 08:05 PM
And I have now had a chance to take the 1911 to the range.

Ran 100 rounds through it. Well, I ran 92 and a friend of mine ran 8.

First, as with other 1911's I've shot (mostly range rentals) it just fits my hand nicely, either shooting one handed or two handed. Well, I did break down and replace the flat mainspring housing with an arched one before I even shot it. Again, I found in previous ones that the arched housing fits my hand a bit better.

I can't speak to accuracy. Truth is, I'm not good enough to judge the gun. I can, however, say that sight picture was really easy to acquire and the sights that came with the gun made getting good sight alignment easy and fast. The 100 rounds went through smoothly, with nary a burble. Just bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam with slide locking back on the eighth shot, reload, release the slide, repeat.

There are three things I'd really like at the moment. The first is to maybe reduce trigger pull (it's currently right on 8 lbs). I'd like adjustable sights--although I'm not willing to trade that easy sight picture to get them. I'd also like an extended slide stop, but since this is intended as a carry gun (once that license arrives) snagging could be an issue with that.

On the whole and in my rather inexperienced opinion, I give it 4 out of 5 stars.

thegoodfight
August 17, 2008, 08:24 PM
Geez even in Illinois we can transport firearms to the range lol

Sagetown
August 17, 2008, 09:53 PM
dburkhead: Nice looking gun. Glad to hear its doing well, and best of all you like it. :p

But now I'm curious as to how zachsm's quest for that norinco came out?:D

possum
August 17, 2008, 10:35 PM
congrats on the taurus. glad to see another happy taurus 1911 owner.

dburkhead
August 17, 2008, 10:36 PM
Oh, I was also able to recover 96 of the 100 spent cases. Given the price of ammo, I'm seeing reloading in my near future.

Sagetown
August 18, 2008, 07:22 AM
Oh, I was also able to recover 96 of the 100 spent cases. Given the price of ammo, I'm seeing reloading in my near future.
:D
Is't that something, how those bright shinny pieces of brass can disappear right in plain sight. :scrutiny: :banghead:

NoirFan
August 18, 2008, 11:41 AM
Dburkhead,

I live in a suburb of Indianapolis. When I applied for my CCW license the interviewing police chief told me I could take the weapon to the range without the license, but the weapon had to be cased, unloaded and partially disassembled (i.e. slide off for semiautomatics). In any case talk to your local police station before you take any action.

Stradawhovious
August 18, 2008, 11:53 AM
I own a couple of Taurus wheel guns, and have made grips for a couple of PT1911, which the owners were nice enough to let me test drive. I was impressed with the firearm for the money, and will eventually get one. Have fun, be safe!

dburkhead
August 18, 2008, 12:16 PM
I live in a suburb of Indianapolis. When I applied for my CCW license the interviewing police chief told me I could take the weapon to the range without the license, but the weapon had to be cased, unloaded and partially disassembled (i.e. slide off for semiautomatics). In any case talk to your local police station before you take any action.

From what I've seen here and elsewhere, I'm pretty much convinced that going to and from the range, carrying the firearm secured, is okay, even though that's not the way the actual wording of the law reads to me.

The main problem is that most of my range trips are during lunch at work. Home->range->home may be okay, but home->work->range->work->home is not.

With my 10/22, however, that's not a problem.

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