Any NAA Mini Revolver shootings?


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B yond
August 4, 2008, 12:52 AM
I'm looking for any news articles, police reports, or true stories where a NAA Mini Revolver was used in a shooting. Can you guys help me out? I know they're out there but I'm having trouble finding more than a couple of them.

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bogie
August 4, 2008, 05:00 AM
Heck, I've been involved in a LOT of shootings with them...

But all at targets.

Now, son, I'd -really- appreciate it if you would quit using gun-grabber terminology. And if you want to do their research for them, fine. Just don't do it here.

KelVarnson
August 4, 2008, 01:46 PM
Yes, there was a guy killed a few years ago in Buellton CA, by another guy using an NAA Mini. It was a road-rage incident. The shooter got 27 years, I think, although I'm not sure he deserved that long. I thought it seemed pretty close to a SD shooting, but I am sure a lot of details were left out in the news reports.

I'm sure you can find it if you do a search.

Neocode
August 4, 2008, 01:54 PM
Bogie, seems you are assuming WHY he wants the articles. Maybe he is trying to convince someone it is a worthy purchase, and wants to show how it was successfully used.

Maybe he wants to show it's not a worthy purchase, and therefore wants to find articles where they were used, but didn't "do the job" of stopping the assailant.

Data is data and facts are facts. How they are presented is what defines their purpose.

FCFC
August 4, 2008, 02:11 PM
I'm looking for any news articles, police reports, or true stories where a NAA Mini Revolver was used in a shooting. Can you guys help me out? I know they're out there but I'm having trouble finding more than a couple of them.
Here's one. (I'm pretty sure it was a reported as a mini-revolver)

Road Rager Shot/Killed Fourteen Year Old Bicyclist

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=381543

The ole thought he was reaching for a gun so I shot him bit....



Shooter got off the 1st murder charge but got tagged for 3rd degree.

Actually some good shooting (or lucky). One shot, right to the kid's heart.

http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20080802_Verdict_angers_bicyclist_s_kin.html

fixyurgun
August 4, 2008, 02:17 PM
Contact North American Arms.The info they sent me before I bought mine, had details of two or three cases. Jim

RyanM
August 4, 2008, 03:01 PM
There was a case awhile ago where some guy shot a police officer during a traffic stop with one. Went through the armhole in his bullet-resistant vest, got his heart. Officer returned fire, hit the guy 4 times with a .357 magnum and 145 gr Win Silvertips.

Criminal lived, cop died.

There are no magic bullets or calibers, only "magic" shot placements.

GEM
August 4, 2008, 03:29 PM
www.naaminis.com - they have info.

MCgunner
August 4, 2008, 03:34 PM
Yes, there was a guy killed a few years ago in Buellton CA, by another guy using an NAA Mini. It was a road-rage incident. The shooter got 27 years, I think, although I'm not sure he deserved that long. I thought it seemed pretty close to a SD shooting, but I am sure a lot of details were left out in the news reports.

Probably couldn't afford OJ's defense team. :rolleyes:

KelVarnson
August 4, 2008, 05:46 PM
Probably couldn't afford OJ's defense team.

I suspect you are right. I'm pretty sure he had a public defender.

Not to derail the thread too much...

As I recall the details (correct me please if I am wrong about any of this), the shooter was driving to a drug store and got into some kind of driving-related altercation. The two parties wound up in a parking lot, and the (apparent) agressor, who was supposedly drunk at the time, and had a history of road rage confrontations, got out and approached the shooter's car.

The guy puched the shooter in the head once, and was winding up to hit him again, but ended up getting shot once in the neck with an NAA mini (they showed in on the news during the trial). Then the shooter drove off, probably his biggest mistake.

The shooter had a Nevada permit, but not a CA one. Again, IIRC, the charges were enchanced by 25 years because the guy shot from within a motor vehicle, a statute that I believe was created in response to gang drive-bys, and a detail that all of us CA residents ought to be keenly aware of.

Search on "Louis Calvin" and/or "Wayne Shaw".

B yond
August 4, 2008, 10:57 PM
bogie wrote:
Now, son, I'd -really- appreciate it if you would quit using gun-grabber terminology. And if you want to do their research for them, fine. Just don't do it here.

bogie,

First off, I'm not your son (I think :confused:).

Second, there's absolutely nothing about me or my question that has anything to do with "gun-grabbers," and I find the implied connection insulting. :fire:

The reason I'm interested in these shootings (please, oh please forgive the "gun-grabber terminology") is that I've recently purchased a NAA Mini, and as with all new SD weapons I like to research cases where they've been used so I can try to determine how they were or were not used most effectively. I just want cases where they've actually been used.

I'm not anti-gun.
I'm not pro-violence.
I'm not planning on murdering anyone, doing any drive-bys, or robbing any liquor stores.
I'm not planning on voting for people who want to take your guns away.
I'm just a guy trying to figure out how to get the most out of a tiny BUG in the worst case scenario, so that I can protect myself, my family, and those around me.

Please don't assume anything else, because when you assume... you know the rest.

/rant off :o

Oh, and thank you to all who've contributed something useful to this thread. :)

akuoduck
August 5, 2008, 02:41 AM
http://www.odmp.org/officer/420-trooper-mark-hunter-coates

Shot the bad guy 5 times with his .357 service revolver before falling to a .22 round fired from a NAA mini.

bleachcola
August 5, 2008, 02:56 AM
That's nuts. Five shots to the chest with a .357 magnum and the guy is still functional enough to return deadly fire. Still makes me laugh when people argue about "one shot stop" stats with handgun cartridges.

230RN
August 5, 2008, 04:38 AM
Well, B yond, you gotta admit your question smacked of the flavor of some of the "baiting" posts by anti-gunners we've seen lately.

Seems they'll post a number of times to get out of the "low post" bracket, then throw in a looper.

Don't know the solution to the problem.

Not even absolutely sure it's a genuine problem.

Just starting to look that way, to me, in general, not with specific reference to your post.

memphisjim
August 5, 2008, 04:43 AM
i heard a guy snuck one into a prison in his butt

Double Naught Spy
August 5, 2008, 06:09 AM
Now, son, I'd -really- appreciate it if you would quit using gun-grabber terminology. And if you want to do their research for them, fine. Just don't do it here.

I'll bite. Just what terminology was "gun-grabber terminology? I don't see terms in the query that are any different than any we use elsewhere on the board.

How is the search for information anti-based as you claim?

How about I reword the initial query to ask for the same information, but in a cooler manner?

Can anybody here provide me with examples of the combat effectiveness of the NAA Mini Revolver as documented in newspaper accounts, police reports, and the like?

There, that should cover the issues of shots fired, misses, hits, and whatever resulted...because when you ask about "combat effectiveness" then everyone knows you are pro gun.

b yond, since you claim to have only found a couple of incidents so far and are requesting more information, how about sharing those incidents with us with the proper citations like you would like us to provide? Also, have you even searched this forum for such data? They continually come up in the NAA mini threads to justify just how lethal they are.

doc2rn
August 5, 2008, 07:46 AM
When I was an EMT in Charleston, I remember a scene we rolled on where a guy running from a bar with his wife was being chased by a gang of bikers. He pointed an NAA mini and fired behind him and hit the ringleader dead center of the heart, (slightly left of the sternum). One shot drop with a .22 lr from a mini. They never said if they caught upto the guy. The gun was described by the rest of the gang as looking like a toy revolver. Respect all guns!

FCFC
August 5, 2008, 08:15 AM
Well, B yond, you gotta admit your question smacked of the flavor of some of the "baiting" posts by anti-gunners we've seen lately.

Seems they'll post a number of times to get out of the "low post" bracket, then throw in a looper.

Don't know the solution to the problem.

Not even absolutely sure it's a genuine problem.

Just starting to look that way, to me, in general, not with specific reference to your post.

I don't see anything "baiting" or "gun-grabber"-ish about the OP:

I'm looking for any news articles, police reports, or true stories where a NAA Mini Revolver was used in a shooting. Can you guys help me out? I know they're out there but I'm having trouble finding more than a couple of them.
It is a flat request for information.

But, honestly, if he is a Brady Buncher or a secret anti-mole then I am sorry to have provided him with one example of a mini-revolver incident. Maybe I should delete my Post # 5 so as not to aid the dark forces of Anti-ism.

But first, I will have a piping hot cup of coffee from my favorite mug...

http://www.funkydory.com/FD_paranoid_mg.jpg

Mmmmmmm. Fill it to the rim....

DoubleTapDrew
August 5, 2008, 11:55 AM
I can't find an online copy but in one of the gun rags (probably combat handguns) a few issues ago in the "It happened to me" column an off duty LEO used one. He was walking in a park with his GF and a mugger got the drop on them. Stole his primary CCW, wallet and other personal effects but missed the NAA. I don't recall if it was .22 short or LR, but he drew and put a round in the mugger's forehead. The mugger put his hand to his head, saw the blood, and fainted, figuring he'd just been shot through the grape. What actually happened was the bullet pierced the skin and skidded along the circumference of his skull, exiting somewhere around back. He was apprehended of course.
I wouldn't want to trust my life to one since even with good bullet placement it may not do the job, but it's better than being unarmed.

Jolly Rogers
August 5, 2008, 12:20 PM
I first became impressed with the .22 WMR in 1969 when my cousin and I shot at a slab of oak, he with a Blackhawk in .357 and me with my Single Six with the magnum cylinder installed. We then split out the bullets and measured the penetration. My .22 penetrated about 1.5" further than the .357. Both guns had 6" barrels.
Joe

Farnorthdan
August 5, 2008, 12:52 PM
The mini is a great pocket gun, I use to carry mine all the time. You can't even tell its there. Now I carry my LCP and love it, same thing, can't even feel it in my back pocket. Plus I feel better with a larger caliber, plus I can actually hit a target with the LCP. I couldn't hit anything past a few feet with the mini, but I'm keeping it anyways.

DS

B yond
August 5, 2008, 11:29 PM
b yond, since you claim to have only found a couple of incidents so far and are requesting more information, how about sharing those incidents with us with the proper citations like you would like us to provide?

Aside from the cop who was killed after firing several .357 rounds into the other guy (which has been mentioned several times already), I've found this little gem:

Investigators say they were definitely going to rob him - possibly even kill him.

But an 80-year-old North Texan wasn't about to let that happen, so he took action.

One of the suspects is in the hospital and both are facing charges.

Two men obviously thought James Pickett, 80, was an easy target when they showed up at his home on Saturday with a knife.

"He just came through that door, stabbing and beating," said Pickett.

Captain Clint Pullin said it looked as though the men wanted to kill him.

But before you worry too much about Pickett, learn a bit more about him.

He's a WWII veteran, former firefighter and lifelong John Wayne devotee.

In short, even at 80, he is someone you just don't mess with.

What the men didn't know is Picket had taken a pistol and put it in his pocket before opening the door.

The brothers may have planned to kill James Pickett, investigators say.

"He jumped and turned and I shot him," Picket said.

The two brothers, Paul and Holden Perry, ran but didn't get far before calling an ambulance.

A bullet just missed Paul Perry's spine.

"The only problem was I run out of bullets," Picket said.

A neighbor describes Picket as a "hero."

Worried about retribution, friends are sticking close.

Both brothers face assault, burglary and robbery charges.

Deputies assure James Pickett they aren't likely to get out of jail anytime soon but he isn't worried.

"I think I'm a ten times better shot than and he is... But they best not come back," he said.

Video at the following link shows that it was a mini revolver.

http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/wfaa/latestnews/stories/wfaa080214_lj_hawes.bfc57dff.html

B yond
August 5, 2008, 11:38 PM
Well, B yond, you gotta admit your question smacked of the flavor of some of the "baiting" posts by anti-gunners we've seen lately.

Seems they'll post a number of times to get out of the "low post" bracket, then throw in a looper.

You caught me. I'm a deep-cover anti-gun mole for the Brady Campaign. I've been posting on this board impersonating a gun nut for two years just waiting for the right time to ask for some stories about people shooting each other with mini revolvers so I can prove to my fellow gun-grabbers just how evil guns truly are. All of this will accomplish... y'know in two years I've kinda forgotten what I was trying to accomplish. Rest assured though, you won't like it when I accomplish it.

:rolleyes::evil:

I'm pushing a bill that will outlaw tactical wheelbarrows too. :neener:

230RN
August 6, 2008, 12:45 AM
Ackchully, I was trying to comment on the fact that somebody else was also sensitive to posts which seem to invite stereotyped bloodthirsty responses which the antis could use.

My post was poorly constructed.

Sorry.

longwatch
August 7, 2008, 03:12 AM
Heres 1. See Daniel Kelly's trial in Madison Wi, last year.
http://www.dailycardinal.com/article/926

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