10mm Ammunition Recomendations


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HonorableRagbag
August 5, 2008, 04:17 PM
I recently purchased a Glock 29, intending to use it as a wilderness carry gun and occasionally as a daily carry gun. I would appreciate any recommendations on ammunition from "full-house" loads for woods to "lighter" loads for daily carry. Also, any tips on reloading would be quite helpful. Thank you.

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Deer Hunter
August 5, 2008, 04:19 PM
Double Tap!

http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/catalog/index.php?cPath=21&osCsid=74452353f3e1aef33c1c458ddf34542b

Youngster
August 5, 2008, 04:28 PM
Whoops, literal doubletap!

Youngster
August 5, 2008, 04:29 PM
+1 on Doubletap ammo.

atblis
August 5, 2008, 05:03 PM
Don't bother buying any commercial ammo. Get a Dillon or Hornady press and start cranking out your own.

I think Glocktalk has a good 10mm reloading page.

Get an aftermarket barrel.

IMR 800X
Blue Dot
Power Pistol
etc.

180 gr Hornady XTP

Starline Brass

You can get 180s up to 1400 fps or so from a 4.5" barrel, but that's getting pretty outrageous. Around 1250fps is reasonable IMO.

HonorableRagbag
August 5, 2008, 05:20 PM
I initially purchased some Pow'R Ball ammunition at the same time I purchased the gun so as to have some hollow points handy. Does anyone know anything about them? I got them because they are supposed to be very reliable feeders and penetrators.

atblis: I definately intend on reloading, but have never done so before. Thank you for your recommendations. I am still researching it.

Slimjim
August 5, 2008, 05:38 PM
I have some brass bullets and dies left over from when i had a G20, if you're interested.


But go with double tap ammo.

IdahoLT1
August 5, 2008, 08:03 PM
Corbon's pow'r ball is decent but lacks IMO in the velocity range. Their 135gr. moves ~1400fps which is 200fps slower than Doubletaps 135gr round. But it does have the ball in the end to alleviate any jams.

CZF
August 5, 2008, 09:14 PM
http://onfinite.com/libraries/1249180/5a5.jpg

davepool
August 5, 2008, 09:40 PM
Doubletap makes 14 different loads for 10mm...the best 10mm available,Mike McNett is a wizard with the 10mm cartridge. I recommend you buy an aftermarket barrel from KKM or Lone Wolf for the full power loads as well as a 22lb recoil spring

rsilvers
August 6, 2008, 12:15 AM
Doubletap ammo, when I tested it, did not make the chrono results they market. It is twice as expensive as GA Arms 180 grain Gold Dot and in my testing, just about 60fps faster. I have tried all sorts of 10mm ammo, and I would suggest GA for normal carry and something from DoubleTap or BuffaloBore for deep woods. At least a 200 grain XTP but probably a hard cast bullet over 200 grains.

ozarkhillbilly
August 6, 2008, 12:35 AM
Doubletap is the best out there, for all your shooting needs, as a matter of fact I think I need to order some more tomorrow.

Arkady
August 6, 2008, 12:50 AM
DoubleTap is, by all accounts that I have read, the best choice. My experience with their ammo is fairly limited, but I hear nothing but good.

Personally, I have had good luck with GeorgiaArms 10mm. Is it the cleanest? No. Has it ever jammed my Witness 10mm? No. Does it chrono pretty close to what the site claims? Yes.

Pat-inCO
August 6, 2008, 12:52 AM
I'll second 10Gr of Bluedot under a 180Gr Hornady XTP.
610ft/lbs. Says hello nicely but doesn't try to take your hand off.

VetteVert
August 6, 2008, 07:34 AM
Is an aftermarket barrel recommended for other brands as well (DW/Kimber)?

freakshow10mm
August 6, 2008, 08:11 AM
No just for Glocks to get a little better chamber support.

sqlbullet
August 6, 2008, 12:08 PM
Not sure what your time is worth, but I can buy loaded new ammo from Georgia Arms about as cheap as I can buy components. They load in new starline brass, which gives you brass for future reloading. Their 180 grain load would qualify as a 'light' load in my mind.

For the wallop loads, handload or double tap.

+1 on Blue Dot

zxcvbob
August 6, 2008, 12:33 PM
Does Norma still sell 10mm ammo? (it probably ain't cheap)

mavracer
August 6, 2008, 02:07 PM
+ 1 to doubletap and georgia arms

or try longshot

treeprof
August 6, 2008, 05:03 PM
CorBon 180 gr bonded core softpoints are very accurate in my G-20's, tho pricey. Double Tap in 200 gr XTP and 200 gr Beartooth are also fine woods rounds in 10mm. Norma does not make 10mm ammo any more. I have a moderate stash of their 170 gr JHP. It's pretty accurate, quite blasty even by 10mm standards. 175 gr Win silvertips make a good general purpose round and are probably the most widely available load. Georgia Arms works great for practice, and I use CCI Blazer to more closely replicate POI of the 200 gr Double Tap loads. Georgia Arms made a limited run of 200 gr Ranier HP's some time back, but they didn't last long. It was an upper-mid power load, quite accurate.

KBintheSLC
August 6, 2008, 05:52 PM
RE: swapping out glock factory barrels...
No just for Glocks to get a little better chamber support.

Is this really necessary? I have yet to hear of a Glock barrel/chamber explosion, crack, or the like. I have seen a bulged "C" model caused by a lodged, primer-fired bullet in the barrel. But never an issue with lack of "support".

Is there something I should know before I buy the G20 I am planning on buying. I would rather not replace a perfectly good factory barrel.

rsilvers
August 6, 2008, 06:01 PM
No, there is nothing to know. Glock factory barrels can shoot full power 10mm ammo. I would not replace the factory barrel. I had to because I bought a used "C" model and I had to get rid of those ports.

atblis
August 6, 2008, 08:42 PM
I've seen plenty of "Glock smiley's" on 10mm brass. My Witnesses have never done that no matter how hot I loaded them.

treeprof
August 6, 2008, 08:53 PM
I have 2 G-20's, one a 2004 manuf. and one a 2005. Never had any kind of smiley w/anything I've shot. Faint hint of a bulge, but nothing more.

atblis
August 6, 2008, 08:54 PM
Yeah well, maybe they finally revised the feed ramp.

What have you been shooting anyways?

treeprof
August 6, 2008, 11:29 PM
I'm shooting everything mentioned in my first post, incl. Double Tap. I do think the newer Glocks are somewhat better supported. Anecdotally, it seems like people shooting hot-rodded, light-for-cartridge bullets seem to have the most case problems in new models, but that's just my observation from regularly perusing the boards. That is principally where Double Tap's QC problems of a year or so ago were, though.

Personally, I've no interest in anything less than 170 gr nor over 200 gr in the 10mm. The original bullet mass and velocity envelopes seem to be where the advantages of the 10mm lie, esp. coupled with more modern, well-constructed bullets. Too many people are trying to make the 10mm something it isn't, IMO.

freakshow10mm
August 7, 2008, 12:27 AM
Glock OEM chambers are less supportive than others. I shoot 45 Super in my G30 with KKM barrel and would never dream of doing so in the OEM barrel. In fact, the first thing I do when I buy a Glock, is toss the barrel in the garbage and buy a KKM barrel.

jeepmor
August 7, 2008, 01:55 AM
Reeds Ammo is another vendor that offers full power 10mm loads. All loaded in Starline.

MTMilitiaman
August 7, 2008, 03:16 AM
CZF uses the exact load I use in my G20--Double Tap's 180 gr Gold Dot JHP load. I think it is about the best thing going for defensive 10mm Auto, which almost makes it about the best thing going period.

Any of Double Tap's 165 or 180 gr JHP loads should do fine. I might use the 155 gr Gold Dot if I was really concerned about penetration, but would probably avoid the 135 gr Nosler JHP load for anything larger moderately sized dog due to lack of penetration concerns on a large angry adult male human.

For trail carry, any of the 180 gr or 200 gr Double Tap loads would work, depending on what you think you may encounter. Nothing in 10mm (or in a handgun, IMO) is going to be adequate for grizzly protection, but the 200 gr XTP JHP and FMJFP loads, and any of his Beartooth loads should be fine for black bear. Anything adequate for human is also likely to be fine on cougar. I carry 180 gr Gold Dots for everything, but if I really seriously felt like a dangerous encounter with a large 350 pound black bear was a possibility, I'd have something a little heavier in the pipe.

The Winchester 175 gr Silvertips or 155 gr Hornady XTPs would be a good moderate to mild defensive load.

O and as for the aftermarket barrel and the case support issue with Glocks, quite frankly, there is no issue, unless you want to reload. Mike McNett of Double Tap Ammunition developed and tested his loads using a bone stock G20 and all of his loads are within SAAMI specs, and thus, safe for use in any handgun of modern construction originally intended for use with 10mm Auto ammunition. This includes the Glock 20 and 29. The problems with case support in Glock OEM barrels arise when people try to reload cases fired from those barrels. The cases do stretch a little more, which puts more stress on them as they are resized, and reduces case life. It is like bending a copper wire back and forth--the total range of movement in as well as number of repetitions decides how fast it breaks. The solution is to drop an aftermarket barrel with a little tighter tolerances into your handgun and function test it before carrying it for defense. The tighter tolerances in the chamber means the brass expands and contracts less during the firing and resizing cycle. This means you can get more repetitions out of it before it becomes unsafe.

I shot Double Tap out of my G20 and it was fine with the stock barrel. But when I decided to start reloading for the cartridge, I spent $160 on a drop-in KKM. Problem solved.

Browns Fan
August 8, 2008, 08:02 AM
I have often thought about getting a glock 20/29. There is something appealing about a magnum-quality round that is designed for autoloaders!

Waldo Pepper
August 8, 2008, 09:09 AM
I have some very hot loads that have gone down the pipe in my G29 with no smilies. I shoot a 135grain Nosler clocking 1627 FPS on a fellow shooters Crono. I really like the Noslers for accuracy, expansion and price. But I generally carry WW 155 grain JHPST for possibility of a little better penetration.

I have shot lead cast W/O any problem what so ever. However when shooting lead cast w/o gas check you have to slow the round down to 900/1000 FPS range. Since I don't hunt with the gun I have not used the gas checks, but I bet a gas check 180 grain doing 1500 FPS would be a hog stopper for sure.

My opinion is the 10mm is the best auto loading pistol round on the market for those not intimidated by the round. It is my choice of a PD round in an auto loading pistol, nothing else compares for the all around stopping power.

That said number two choice is the 5.7x28 for several reasons completely different from why I choose the 10mm round. My wife can not shoot the 10mm because of small size and just plain fear, but a 22 automatic is not a problem. This is where the FN Five seveN comes into play, little to no recoil and 20 rounds to get the job done as most just spray and pray.

Couple of local female officers carry the FN 5.7 off duty and would carry on duty if dept would allow. I watched a little female MHP shoot a Glock 9mm and then let her shot the G29 and she actually did better with the G29 of mine. The she pulled out the FN 5.7 and from the 25 yard line let fly 20 rounds at a 10" paper plate and hit it every time.

I asked her if she could do that with here 9mm and she said maybe 10 for 20 if she took her time, unlike when she cut loose with the FN, I asked her to give it a try with my G29 and she declined the offer with out giving a reason. I suspect recoil and noise was the factor. That said the little (100 lbs?) lady put 20 rounds the target in maybe 10 seconds or less, seem like less. So I would say she would be better served as would the public if she carried a the FN on duty

Just a few days ago I ordered a NIB black Five seveN and plan on it being my home defense gun (along with the Mossberg) and leaving the 10mm or 357 in the gun safe. The G29 will still be my car gun just because of size I can put it in the under seat storage bin in my car and access it very easy.

Main reason for my going to the FN is my arthritis is making shooting the 10mm very painful for a couple of days afterwood and has started effecting my accuracy with the guns. But I supect the average bad guy with half dozen 40 grain bullet hole in him in just a couple of seconds is going to go down just as well as he would from 2 rounds from my G29 or S&W 1006 and I am sure out of 20 rounds I could put one in the old brain bucket.

CZF
August 8, 2008, 02:31 PM
As an admitted late comer to the fantastic 10.
I've only been shooting it for nearly 10 years now.
http://onfinite.com/libraries/1354571/2bf.jpg
I like my heavier Witness 10 over the Glock 20 that I shot a few months back.

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/czrami/vacation/kg20-2.jpg
180 gr. 10mm from Double Tap or the Silvertip is about as hot as I want/need in a autopistol round, and the limit to my recoil endurance.

My best friend is considering a Glock 20 (used) for $400.

I told him to jump on it! You can always get your money back if
you don't like the cost or recoil of the mighty Ten!
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The forthcoming G29 SF might change my mind about a Glock 10mm if it fits well. I could probably get my hand around it for some good control.

I like CZs over Glocks, but am always eager to see any new 10mm come to the market.


But back to ammo:
Of course, I'd run the 165 gr. Gold Dot from DT in it:)
http://onfinite.com/libraries/1313132/9bf.jpghttp://www.angelfire.com/amiga/hakan/DoubleTapAmmo2.html

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