EDC knife recomendations for college?


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CynicallyOptimistic
August 6, 2008, 08:53 AM
I really need a good EDC knife. At this point I carry what I think is an old Buck I got from my dad when I was like twelve and a... S&W Kerambit... It looked cool, and at the time I assumed they were decent knife manufacturers... *shudder*

The Buck-ish knife takes and holds an edge nicely, but it's too small for... well, it's actually pretty serviceable, I just want a bigger knife. It's got maybe a 1.5"-2" blade.

But seeing as I'm on a about-to-go-to-college-and-oh-dear-sweet-lord-I'm-going-have-to-sell-my-organs-to-afford-this budget, I can't afford to just gleefully frolic through the internet buying anything of quality (unfortunately), so I seek recommendations from elder knife knuts.

I'm looking for something in the fifty-sixty dollar range (dear sweet god it hurts to pay more for a pocket knife than I did for my ka-bar). I've been looking at the Spyderco Endura and Delica, and I've got a huge crush on the ringed razel, but I'm not sure where I could get one for what I wanna pay.

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Ohen Cepel
August 6, 2008, 09:12 AM
Please give a little more info.

Blade length that is allowable on campus?
Pocket clip, fixed blade, or?
How PC do you want it to be?

ie: I really like the K-Bar TDI for a small defense knife, but it's not very PC even with it's short blade.

I'm sure with a little more info someone will have some good ideas.

mole
August 6, 2008, 09:14 AM
You need to check your state laws and school regulations before carrying anything on campus.

Spyderco has a lower cost line called the Byrd line that runs ~ $20 depending on the model. Of all the models I've tried I like the meadowlark the best. http://www.thebladeshop.com/Spyderco_BY04_Byrd_Meadowlark_p/by04p.htm The metal handled ones have a better pocket clip than the plastic ones.

mole

mp510
August 6, 2008, 10:28 AM
I would really recommend against carrying any sort of tactical style knife on campus, until you can 'feel the place out'- observe what other people are carrying and what the general attitude is. I would then recommend something very PC/ sheeple friendly- like a red-handled Victorinox Tinker or Super Tinker swiss army knife.

Pax Jordana
August 6, 2008, 12:37 PM
Hey, purdue! We hated you guys! :neener:
former nittany lion speaking.

For $50-60 that can do anything, I'd go with an assisted opener (please check local laws) like the Kershaw Blur. if it's just a utility/fingernail cleaner, you're already quite well equipped.

Remember, anything worth stabbing is worth stabbing twice.. :) rarely will you find yourself with a knife that's actually too small for the job.

(lemme tell you about the weekend I decided I could turn a butterknife from the commons into a boot knife with only my own dedication and an accu-sharp.. boy those were the days)

RE: tactical style. I agree with the above poster. Penn State was a little farmy and a lot the displaced suburbanites. If you're carrying the new knife for self-defense, keep the buck handy in a pocket for utility uses.

sm
August 6, 2008, 01:11 PM
You need to check your state laws and school regulations before carrying anything on campus.

I would really recommend against carrying any sort of tactical style knife on campus, until you can 'feel the place out'- observe what other people are carrying and what the general attitude

Agree with both.

First off, forget about knife fights.
Search posts around here and consider a AA Maglight, 20oz bottle of water, and other "non-firearm" and 'non-edge" items.

That said, here is what many folks do carry and these are legal on campuses around here.

-SAK - Classic SD. This knife is probably the most used.
-SAK Bantam.
-SAK Pocket Pal.

-Buck 500 series.
These are a good looking locking folder with Wood handles and nickel bolsters.

The two smallest ones are the most seen carried and used. Yes these are made in the USA.

I know six ladies, with these, and these get used hard in IT and Science Depts, and where they work and do internship.


Get a DMT credit card sharpener in Fine (red) and this will handle all sharpening chores, just strop on dry leather , or back of a notebook.

Lansky makes a 3x1" diamond sharpener that comes in a leather slip.
It has a hook sharpener than runs down the center of the front.
This is what I have been using to sharpen some knives of late.
(the girls won't let me play with the DMTs anymore).

The Lansky is heavier, still it has this over-spray on the back.
So the back is flat, and useful to sharpen on as well.
The hook sharpener works to assist in fixing a point, damaged. (aha!).
The sides reach areas that need attention, such as smoothing a coffee cup chipped.

One can strop on that slip too...

If you get a DMT, find a leather credit card slip, to strop on.

CWL
August 6, 2008, 01:36 PM
I think that a small SAK and a CRKT knife will serve all your needs for college.

Piraticalbob
August 6, 2008, 01:37 PM
The best sort of EDC knife for you as a college student is a Swiss Army Knife. In addition to the blade, it should have the following tools: corkscrew (wine bottles), bottle opener (beer), can opener (soup). Those are the basic tools that will be of most use to you. If you want more than this, I'd recommend a Spyderco Delica or other small knife by Spyderco, preferably in non-threatening colors such as yellow or pink.

Trust me on this. You'll get far more use out of an SAK than any other knife you might choose, and they're well within your budget.

Soap
August 6, 2008, 01:41 PM
I wouldn't carry a blade on Purdue's campus. Any pocket knife will be in their "no weapons policy". Don't keep it in the dorms either.

sm
August 6, 2008, 02:03 PM
Daniel Flory,

Thanks for posting, I was hoping you would.

Would a SAK Classic SD be fine on a key ring?
Just to have scissors, the nail file and screwdriver as the "reason".

Would a small tool such as Leatherman Micra , ( I think that is the small one with scissors, instead of pliers) be okay?

The reason I ask, is I know some restrictive business campuses and scissors, are allowed and these are used quite a bit.

Low key, low profile and everyone behaves...
Perceptions...

CynicallyOptimistic
August 6, 2008, 02:05 PM
Okay, thank you very much to those who have already made recommendations, legal concealed blade length in Indiana is non-existent, Purdue's policy is "no weapons" but most of the guys I've talked to carry some sort of pocket knife. I'm kind of avoiding a SAK because I already carry a small multitool.

I care just enough about being pc that it won't be called a weapon, I think that depends a lot more on use than shape (except for demonized designs like stilettos, etc.) I'm also very much carrying it as a tool rather than a self defense weapon, I'm considering a mag-lite for that.

The Spyderco Byrd line has me interested though, are those of fairly good quality?

Realbigo
August 6, 2008, 02:08 PM
Quick and dirty. If you are going to be in school, nothing nasty, black and tactical cause it tends to scare the Hopoliphobes. They scare easy these days and right to carry it or not, you don't want to be the guy on "Security Steves" radar. I carry a neat little Spyderco Native. You can get a combo blade, but I carry the standard. Its short and of good quality w/ a pocket clip. I think mine was $40 at my local range.

Realbigo
August 6, 2008, 02:09 PM
PS. Its a TOOL not a weapon if any body asks. ;)

ArfinGreebly
August 6, 2008, 02:25 PM
EDIT TO ADD -- I see that eight posts have appeared while I was composing this, and one of them recommends not carrying a blade on campus. I will let my post below stand, but please ensure that you keep campus rules in mind in considering any of these.

From the ones you've been considering, I would imagine you're looking for something solid with a two-plus to three-ish inch blade.

It also seems that you favor some kind of locking mechanism.

With that in mind, I'll skip the traditional sodbuster, trapper, and stockman styles (although, seriously, you might want to consider those).

Kershaw does the Double Cross, a "traditional-looking" folder with a main clip-point blade and a shorter Wharncliffe blade and a central liner lock that works for both. It has wood scales and a very ordinary appearance. Sharp and holds an edge well. Quite light in the pocket. No clip.
http://www.soonerstateknives.com/K-4380.JPG
Also, its cousin, the "Double Duty"
http://www.soonerstateknives.com/K-4390.JPG

Kershaw also does a whole range of 31xx numbered traditional-appearing lockback knives, all the way from a three-inch blade down to just over an inch. They go by names like "Wildcat Ridge" (#3140, 3.5" blade) and "Black Gulch" (#3120, 3" blade) and "Corral Creek" (#3115, 2.5" blade) and "Grant County (#3100, 1.9" blade) and "Juniper Canyon" (#3110, two blades, 1.75" & 1.9").
http://www.soonerstateknives.com/K-3120.JPG

In addition, they do something called the "Limited Gentleman's Folder," a lockback in VG-10 steel, with a 3.125" blade. That one is more like $100, though, so may be outside what you seek.

Less traditional is the Vapor. One-hand capable, liner lock, good price.
http://www.thekershawstore.com/v/vspfiles/photos/K1640-2.jpg

Kershaw makes a good knife, and I have no trouble recommending them.

Buck Knives (across town from my house) is another good maker. Quality is better than good, and you can find a design/price-point for just about anything. I have found some of their imports to be better than my expectations. Their Tom Mayo "Cutback" (#174, one-hand, liner-lock, 3.25" blade) is one I bought to throw in my checked bag when I was traveling. It was under $30, so I wasn't too concerned about losing it. It's become one of my favorites, despite the fact that it's imported.
http://www.gpknives.com/images/buck/BU174[large].jpg

Both of these companies stand behind their products, with no-quibble warranties and excellent customer service.

All of that having been said, I still think a stockman pattern or sodbuster is worth considering.

Finally, no EDC recommendation would be complete without at least a nod to the Case XX Peanut. I carry one daily. It opens stuff. It peels fruit. It cuts veggies. It's quite small, but very useful. You may want to carry a band-aid.

mdao
August 6, 2008, 02:33 PM
Byrds are high quality, but the Spyderco Tenacious is a nicer knife than any of the Byrds and comes in around $30.

Another suggestion is the Skeletool if you're right handed. The blade is not ambidextrous, but it one hand opens easy, has a basic assortment of other tools on it, and looks much more tool than weapon. Right under $50 from Amazon.com.

EHCRain10
August 6, 2008, 04:20 PM
if you cant carry concealed knives on campus, take a look at Anza knives in California, they have a few smaller fixed blades that are barely noticeable when worn on the hip, that way they arent concealed and they are small enough not to cause concern.
College can be rough for a first year, just keep you nose to the grind stone and mind your p's and q's
Im a rising junior myself and carry a few different blades but none are over VA's allowed size.
Check with local laws and campus rules before carrying just to make sure.
Good luck in the fall and welcome to the forum!

thebigc
August 6, 2008, 04:32 PM
how about a crkt m16 edc version with the zytel handles with the 3in blade i got mine for about 35 bucks somewhere on the internet it has a automatic lock on it so when you open it its not folding up on you which is why i bought it in the first place for defensive use. i use mine at work to cut irrigation pipes all day it cuts roots been stabbed into trees etc and it keeps an ok edge for what i do to it and i really like it. another great knife is a buck 112 i think they run about 40 dollars and it comes with a belt sheath locks up solid and keeps a great edge too bad i lent mine to a friend and it went missing.

JShirley
August 6, 2008, 04:43 PM
Spyderco Dragonfly should be big enough for all your small-knife tasks, and is affordable. And small enough to not be seen as a weapon by anyone with any sense at all. Just over $40, shipped (http://www.newgraham.com/detail.aspx?ID=3811).

John

Sharpdogs
August 6, 2008, 06:33 PM
I second the Kershaw Double Cross. I have one and absolutely love it. Definitely check the college's rules. You do not want to get kicked out over a pocket knife and lose a semester's tuition. Also check out the Boker Keycom (http://edcdepot.com/merchantmanager/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=29&products_id=248) is you want a really sheeple friendly knife.

conw
August 6, 2008, 07:00 PM
Here's my college game plan.

I have a Case Sodbuster Jr. for "knife" tasks. It's such a better cutter than any "tactical" I've put my hands on. Doesn't lock, but has stiff back spring. It will do everything you need a knife to do at college, seriously...and can't really be called a weapon (although there isn't a no knife policy at my college, it won't make you look bad either way).

I also carry a screwdriver stuck into a plastic cigar tube via a cork. This is for little odd jobs I need to do on my car (*yep*) - it's a great TOOL that won't hurt the user.

After hurting my ankle I've acquired a blackthorn walking stick.

And since stray dogs wander on campus, I have a Kimber Lifeact pepper spray unit that tucks IWB nicely.

All those TOOLS are not weapons since I don't plan on hurting anyone with them...

sean m
August 6, 2008, 10:10 PM
Victorinox Tinker or Alox Farmer would be on the top of my list

Soap
August 6, 2008, 10:13 PM
Thanks for posting, I was hoping you would.

Would a SAK Classic SD be fine on a key ring?
Just to have scissors, the nail file and screwdriver as the "reason".

Would a small tool such as Leatherman Micra , ( I think that is the small one with scissors, instead of pliers) be okay?

The reason I ask, is I know some restrictive business campuses and scissors, are allowed and these are used quite a bit.

Low key, low profile and everyone behaves...
Perceptions...

Lucky for him this isn't Bloomington! :) Purdue hasn't gone off the deep end with their rules. But, as I said earlier, I would avoid a dedicated knife. Carrying a SAK, Leatherman, etc. would keep you under the radar. As for me, I'd carry a Leatherman Charge TTi. S30V main blade and can be used for about a million different things.

Whether right or wrong, your appearance and demeanor will dictate what you get away with.

And welcome to the forum, go Boilers!

Exmasonite
August 6, 2008, 11:45 PM
can't go wrong with a benchmade mini-griptilian. 2.91" blade, i think.... great for those <3" jurisdictions. a great value at $50-70.

otherwise, the Leatherman knife series w/ the captive bit series and other tools (something like "301" "501") are pretty nice. i have 2 of them. steel isn't awesome but it was < $30 and i beat on them pretty hard.

Beskytte
August 6, 2008, 11:49 PM
If you are looking for an EDC that is 3"-4" I would suggest the Byrd line from above, I can vouch for their quality, having always had a knife or two on me. The Byrds will run from $19-$30, depending on what you want from the knife. If you want a fixed blade you can't find a better knife for the price than Frosts Mora of Sweden. Excellent steel, and very cheap. They'll run from $10-$16. I'll give a couple of links.

http://www.knifeworks.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=1287&SetPageSize=75
http://www.eknifeworks.com/webapp/eCommerce/prodlist.jsp?Mode=Brand&Brand=47&CatalogName=&PriceStart=&PriceEnd=&Feature=&SearchText=&list=50&range=1&order=PriceAsc

For the Byrd, I second the Meadowlark, the Flight is also a good one with a light blade. For a Mora, I'd suggest a "clipper", its a good utility knife.

Scotticus
August 7, 2008, 01:47 AM
The new CRKT Drifter is just under 3" blade and looks sort of tactical but is small enough that it doesn't startle people when I whip it out (the Drifter). It's in the $25 neighborhood and has a G-10 grip and 8Cr14MoV blade. http://www.crkt.com/drifter.html

CynicallyOptimistic
August 7, 2008, 07:55 AM
Boiler up!

I'm leaning toward the Spiderco Tenacious right now, and I've been running all these past my sister, who is afraid of knives, that's one of the ones she said "wasn't that scary."

conw
August 7, 2008, 12:39 PM
I like mine with no lock or pocket clip, as those are really not necessary if you aren't into the "tactical knife" stuff.

I recommend against using pocket clips in college-type-areas. I notice them all the time on people, and I strongly suspect lots of people notice them.

Blend in.

edit: For a really great defensive tool really consider a cane...if you have some kind of leg injury especially.

HiWayMan
August 7, 2008, 04:16 PM
3-1/4" Old Hickory paring knife in the classic cardboard and duct tape sheath stuck in the front or back pocket.

Super cheap, easy to replace, pretty innocent, easy to ditch.


Damn...Steve must be slipping.

sm
August 7, 2008, 04:53 PM
Damn...Steve must be slipping.

Steve has a surprise; stay tuned...

Improvise. Adapt. Overcome.

Run what ya brung.

Software-not Hardware.

Mindset, Skillset, "then" Toolset.

Have Mercy! They gotta lotta nice girls down there...

When you're going through hell, keep on going, you might just make it out alive...


*cowboy up!*

Carl Levitian
August 7, 2008, 05:10 PM
For the modern college campus, I have to agree with posters who picked a sak. Low level, innocent in appearance. In a liberal college atmosphere, all it will take is one observant anti proffesor to notice a pocket clip, and create a real hastle. Or a campus cop.

One thing to keep in mind; the pocket clip paints you a certain way. My youngest of three children is a county police officer, and they look for any signs of somebody they have to interact with being armed. When they see a pocket clip, it will be a whole different attitude they will have towards you. Right or wrong, signs of being armed is not good. Don't profile yourself.

seeker_two
August 7, 2008, 06:20 PM
I'll second sm's suggestion about the Leatherman Micra/Squirt. This should be the one you pull out if you have to do any cutting jobs on-campus (opening boxes, clipping drink straws, etc.) That's my SOP at work (very PC/anti-knife...tiny scissors very PC)....

If you also decide to carry a bigger folder or fixed blade, keep it very concealed (IWB w/ clip behind the belt is best, IMHO) and don't pull it out unless you absolutely need it.

CynicallyOptimistic
August 8, 2008, 08:20 AM
I get the advice about the pocket clip, (my dad's cop friends have said that to me before, as well) I hadn't really though about behind the belt IWB, though, damn fine idea.

I would just go with a SAK, but again, I've already got a small multitool, and I prefer to be able to just grab something off the clip and open it in one hand. It bugs the hell out of my to have to drop what I'm doing to grope through my pockets and then have to open and close the knife with two hands. With all the recommendations, though, i'll definitely pick up a SAK if I catch too much flak for whatever else.

I know it's just a matter of convenience, but, hell, I like knives, I don't want to be pissed off every time I have to use one. Where's the best o'clock to carry IWB?

seeker_two
August 8, 2008, 08:37 AM
Where's the best o'clock to carry IWB?

Thanks.....best place to carry will depend on what's most comfortable for you. With my body type, I lean toward 4:00. You'll have to experiment to find what's best for you.....

I would also recommend tip-down carry and only carry a knife that doesn't open too easily (esp. on its own)....

Zip7
August 8, 2008, 09:36 AM
Highly recommend something like this

http://www.swissarmy.com/images/ProductCatalog/vm/vm_53791_sol_a02.jpg

You'll use it far more than you think for the tools, and it looks like a tool as well.

I carry at least one pocketknife/multi-tool and usually two, literally everywhere I go. Even to the kids schools, even though you aren't supposed to, etc...

Frankly, it's a tool, and if they want to give me a hard time about it, let them. I'm a perfectly sane and harmless adult. The truth is, at my older son's high school, I help on work days with the baseball field, etc... and bring many more potentially dangerous tools up there, so if I were of a mind to go on a rampage with my tools I would do it then.

On the rare occasion when anyone mentions it, I always say that my Dad told me that a grown man should have his keys, his wallet, and his pocketknife on him at all times. And he did tell me that.

Of course I'm 40, 6'3" and 225 lbs, so most sheeple are eager to agree with whatever I say

Pilot
August 8, 2008, 09:41 AM
I agree get a SAK. I've had a Huntsman for 30 years. If you want a single blade and feel confident it won't get you in trouble, a Benchmade Mini-Griptilian or 551 Griptilian is hard to beat. The mini-Grip will be less indimidating and still very usefull.

Zip7
August 8, 2008, 09:45 AM
I'll second sm's suggestion about the Leatherman Micra/Squirt. This should be the one you pull out if you have to do any cutting jobs on-campus (opening boxes, clipping drink straws, etc.) That's my SOP at work (very PC/anti-knife...tiny scissors very PC)....

I really love my squirt, but the knife blade on it sucks. I use the pliers part of it and the screwdrivers all the time. Pretty much only use the knife blade for scraping stuff. I always carry a Case pocketknife too, so the squirt blade is useless to me. I wish they made one with an extra tool instead of a knife blade

FourTeeFive
August 8, 2008, 10:16 AM
In a liberal college atmosphere, all it will take is one observant anti proffesor to notice a pocket clip, and create a real hastle. Or a campus cop.

I don't know about other campuses, but at The Evergreen State College (THE greener ultra-liberal college), UW and WWU, all in WA State, pocket clips are a daily sight. Yesterday I saw a cute young woman student-type with her obligatory facial piercings, raggy clothes, etc. and she had some sort of pocket clip knife in her right-side front pocket. The majority of guys do too.

FourTeeFive
August 8, 2008, 10:24 AM
For $50-60 that can do anything, I'd go with an assisted opener (please check local laws) like the Kershaw Blur. if it's just a utility/fingernail cleaner, you're already quite well equipped.

Agreed, although a Blur is a bit large for some people.

I think the ultimate "gentleman's" carry knife is the Kershaw Leek. It is very thin and comes in various colors. Shop around and you can find deals. Sportsman's Warehouse sometimes sells them cheap, and I've gotten good deals here and on eBay.

Quite a few others are big fans of this knife:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=322082

ErikS
August 8, 2008, 11:27 AM
I bought a Spyderco Ladybug with a green handle a while back. It's a great knife for minor cutting tasks, and noone seems to have anything against it, seems noone think of it as "a knife".

Several times I've happened to have it on me when I came to areas with "no weapons or knifes" signs posted. (I simply forgot it was in my pocket on the way there.) I always went up to the closest guard and showed the knife to them, to disclose that I had it. So far, not one have had anything against it, all have let me go on. One big security guard even laughed and said "you call *that* a knife???" :-)

None of those places was airport security though. I even had to remove my moneybelt to pass security when I flew internationally last time. :)

seeker_two
August 8, 2008, 12:31 PM
I really love my squirt, but the knife blade on it sucks.

Sorry, I should have clarified....I use the scissors for most of the cutting jobs mentioned when I don't want to terrify the PC crowd.....the last time I used the "knife blade" on it was to cut an outlined pattern from a sheet of copy paper......

....hence, the IWB folder.....when I need a knife, I need a knife.... :cool:

sm
August 8, 2008, 02:20 PM
I think the ultimate "gentleman's" carry knife is the Kershaw Leek.

It was mentioned earlier either in this thread or another similar about Pocket Clips being read by criminals and cops by Carl.

A few years back I mentioned this and caught flak here on THR, and received some very nasty PMs.

I was testing and reviewing the Leek at the time for some folks, for employees to use.
I am not picking on the Leek, as I was testing other knives with pocket clips...just I was using a Leek when a chill hit me 3 times in a short time period.

1. Cops were rattling off what knife folks had in pockets as they passed.
"How do you like your Leek, have you tried the smaller Chive yet?"

2. In a shady area, near a blood bank, with Scope on my breath ( I don't drink) and with a cotton swab, and band-aid I stuck on my arm to look like I gave blood:
"Yo, you gotta Leek, you must have rolled someone for the money!" - it was said.
"Nah man, Wal-mart Gift Cert for cleaning up a church lot ..."

3. I stuck my Leek in my pocket, after shots fired, and I ran around the corner.
Some gang banger had a clip on knife and while looking at a car, with a nice paint job, scratched that paint.
Shots fired in the air " say fool, get away from car, but you gonna pay to fix it!"

I do not want attention.
Low profile, and blend in is the key.

I have been on other college campuses to hear a speaker or attend a function.
It depends on a lot of things, still some Security and Cops have asked some to put a clip on knife in pocket, or to take it back to a vehicle.

In fact a party of four were denied entry. They were seen flipping knives and doing things in the parking lot.


Now in a state owned building, where CCW is not allowed, I went in with a Slimline Trapper and the lady I was with , went in with a Buck 110.
We simply had a function to attend to, and there was food prep to be done.

We went up to the older seasoned Security and asked if we could take these in for that function to prep food.
He said yes, and even scribbled a note saying he gave permission.
I asked about clip on, and "rather you would not use those, we have had to restrict those as employees were flipping them and not getting any work done playing with them".


Perceptions...

I don't own a locking knife, one hand assist, or one with a pocket clip.
Personally, I do not want the attention.

I do know some folks were targeted as the pocket clip drew attention of thugs.
If a person is dressed a certain way, and carries themselves a certain way, with a clip on, "they might have a CCW, and we want the gun".

Now I have watched tapes, and one person on tape was at their vehicle messing with the CCW.
Cell phones were used by thugs to tail this target on the parking lot, in the store, and back out.

The clip on knife drew attention, that person got out and the knife spotted.
He turned around to "adjust" the CCW using his vehicle for cover , so he thought, and was pegged.

That car with a gal and kid, appearing to be taking car of a kid while "dad" was shopping, was the "spotter" - she made the first cell phone call.



College - just like one should do in activities of daily living (ADLs) - should not Advertise - anything!

Get your backpack where you can access it in the vehicle.
Pull onto campus, snag pack and exit vehicle and head out to class.
Upon return, toss pack into car, get in and drive off.

Getting into tool boxes, trunks will get you pegged.

Get a small umbrella that fits under the seat, don't be fiddling around in a trunk getting one.
Keep a travel size in the backpack.

Not everyone that attends college is a straight and true law abiding type.
Folks get read and pegged.

CynicallyOptimistic
August 8, 2008, 05:38 PM
Sm I'm not sure I understand part of your post, are you saying people are targeted by criminals because they're carrying a clip-on knife?

My Dad (grew up in the inner city and raised me in suburbia) always taught me that if you want to keep from being mugged to walk like you're afraid of nothing. Point being I feel like projecting confidence is more important for deterring criminals than how you're dressed or what you're carrying.

Carl Levitian
August 8, 2008, 06:00 PM
Criminal sees the pocket clip, may just have the idea he'll take it from you and use it himself. Same as a gun printing under a shirt or pants pocket. It tells him just what you have and where it is. It's like showing your hand to everyone around the poker table.

Play the game of life with the cards close to your vest.

FourTeeFive
August 8, 2008, 06:23 PM
Not sure where SM lives (and I see Maryland for Carl), but out here in Western WA a pocket clip knife just shows you're an average outdoorsy type. More common than not if you're under 30 in this state.

Actually SM, I would like to know your general location, because I think I want to avoid ever going there! Doesn't sound like a very nice place.

sm
August 8, 2008, 06:30 PM
I'm not sure I understand part of your post, are you saying people are targeted by criminals because they're carrying a clip-on knife?

Yep.
Thugs know the difference in a Super Knife, and the person in painter, or carpenter pants.
Then again if a UC wanted to "blend in" then wearing painter /carpenter pants, with paint splatters, drywall dust and the like on skin, hat, boots, and shirt, would be allow them too.
Which is exactly what one UC is doing, with a Kel-Tec P-11 , and Spydie in pocket.

Which is exactly what a drywall/painter does wear, and does carry while he works.

*blink*


Now I can slip on a apron, stick a 5" knife into the chest pocket, and stand next to thugs smoking around a grocery store.
They see the knife, and think I am the Produce guy.

If I snag a "butchers jacket" and walk out with a 7" Butcher knife in a "butcher pocket" in plain site, these thugs will think I work in the Meat Dept.

I did not even work at this place.
Just the concerns were getting bank deposits made, and thugs were watching the front of the store, the courtesy booth and the Rent-a-Cop.

They were short handed with one person being off and another sick.
I just walked out the door, and on my "break" was going to run an errand.
Now I am single, still "I gotta get my wife's cleaning", or 'my kid's books ordered from Barnes & Noble are in", or..."My mother in law is coming in and I don't want to be here when she arrives".

I did the bank errand, broad daylight, and thugs never gave me a second look.

I've said it before, if you want to know what is really going on where you live, sit in on court case.

Hey, if the thugs admit they chose a target due to clip on knife in a court case, this just supports what I heard on the streets.

I have no idea what tee-vee sez, as I do not personally own a tee-vee and have not in a long time...

sgbeskin
August 8, 2008, 06:44 PM
When I was in college, over 15 years ago, I carried a Victorinox Swiss Army knife or an old Case trapper. The swiss army knife had four blades. One was a big serrated blade, the other was a small blade, a can opener and a bottle opener. I used that knife all through college. I used it to open beer, cans of food, strip wire, cut garlic and onions, etc...... I lost it a few years ago. I also carried that trapper for a while. I was going to college at the University of Southern Mississippi, but I was raised in the woods and swamps of southern Mississippi and that ol' Case always reminded me where I came from.

CynicallyOptimistic
August 8, 2008, 08:43 PM
Yeah, I kinda wanna avoid wherever you're living, too, sm.

I think in Indiana carrying a knife is just considered outdoorsy, too. I could see what you're saying, the average civie with a knife knows a lot less about using it than would a criminal trying to take it, but I would think a college campus would be a hell of a lot less dangerous than all that. Maybe I'm being naive, but it's not like I'm going to Gary (murder capital of the US for several years). Either way, I'm liking the behind the belt, so I'd think that'd solve the problem.

Gus Davus
August 8, 2008, 08:48 PM
have you checked out www.bladeplay.com ???

sm
August 8, 2008, 10:52 PM
Yeah, I kinda wanna avoid wherever you're living, too, sm.

I'm not being argumentative, I am being a Mentor.

Yes, I was raised into a hi-risk lifestyle, and had mentors and elders that were familiar with this industry, and other professions.

I was born in the mid fifties, and lessons started as a wee brat on things.
I also had "knacks", meaning I exhibited some things that were useful for staying safe.

The key to being safe, is blending in.
Little things like "reading a room" and "giving the perception" one needs to give.

Re: College.
Older returning student here.
I the past 12 months, I have been on campus with I think 3, maybe 4 bomb threats, and 3 school shootings.


Re: Indiana.
Yes, I have been to Indy.
I know how the farmers dress, and nobody gives a second look seeing a Buck 110, or Shrade LB7 in a sheath, in areas.
Heck, some "city thugs" won't come down as them ladies and gents know how to do a "pop" and will have that knife out so fast , one handed, it will scare folks.
Then "country folks, play for keeps!"

Oh yes, folks were getting lock blades out and ready to go one handed , extremely fast, decades ago.
One can beat a switchblade with a Buck 110 or clone.

Re: Switchblades.
Knives designed with ladies in mind were abused and stereotyped as being "evil" and were banned.

Folks are doing the "Switchblade Syndrome" with tactical knives today.
Quite a few places do not allow them in workplaces, or campuses.
The wording of knife laws on the books already, are being interpreted to deny these tactical knives in some places.

You teach folks how to treat you - mentor.

Just like switchblades, folks are teaching how they want to be treated with tacticals.


It is not where I live, but where I have been, seen and done.
Yes, I currently am near a bad spot on the map.
I have lived in a one stop sign town, where I could leave a vehicle unlocked, with the keys in the ignition and never lock the house.

Two major cities were off limits to me. New York and Chicago.
The exception was, "serious" had happened.
Some was kidnapped, dead or the like.
Bonded and Insured as I was, those two cities were off limits.

I could not travel in the same conveyance as some folks, not eat at the same place they did, or stay in the same hotel, much less visit them at their home.

I am going back a lot of years.
Houston, Dallas, Oklahoma City, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Miami, Atlanta, Memphis, New Orleans...etc.

I have stood and looked at New York, a state I was not supposed to be in.
Hit the road, head across PA to West Virginia, take OH , then head down KY.
Just near the KY Speedway, change vehicles, as I did not want to "give perceptions" , of being out of town and head onto into TN.

Change vehicles along the way and end up in Key West.
Before that long bridge leaving the mainland, about 8 cars were busted into at a hotel, everyone had out of state tags.
I am running FL tags, and I did not get popped.

Drive back up, hop a plane and land in MS. Now I run the "low route" and head east . When leave Shreveport, and the vehicle with LA tags, I have TX tags, as I am heading to Belmont, Galveston, Houston, Waco, Dallas and up to OK city where I get a vehicle with OK tags.

Not rental cars, not for the most part, business vehicles.
While I had my folks in the business, and had partners, and for me lady partners quite a bit, I worked Solo a lot.

It ain't where I live, instead where I have been, seen and done.
Blending in, giving perceptions, and staying atop dirt, and not six feet under it.

Now criminals know this, so I am not worried about posting it in public.
I still cannot believe some cops still do this...and it is not because I have not done my part in correcting it.

One of the hardest things about getting a cop going undercover, or just wearing plain-clothes, is to not advertise they are a cop.
I do not do well with rules and regulations anyway, still common sense should kick in...

I have walked into a place, and knew that person was a cop. Not in uniform, maybe someone new to UC, or plainclothes to assist me and mine.
Heck all the thugs knew they were cops.

Ink Pen.
Just like these knives were are talking about, the Ink Pen made them.

Cross Ink Pens were part of the uniform.
Chrome for patrol, 10k yellow gold filled for some ranks and the 14kygf for higher ups.
Sterling Silver and Gold ones for some special higher up deals.

I have made 'em from Patrol to Captain, all because of a Cross Ink Pen.
Like I said, the hardest thing is getting a cop to not act like a cop, or former active Military, to not act Military.


Prostitutes, Pimps, and Madame's will read a person so fast it will make your head spin.
Street gals will turn away as they know you from a distance. You are either bad news ( beat gals up) , broke, married and you are going to regret what you are thinking, out of town low life...
Some will set up you up for a fall. They read you a mile away and they want that Rolex, diamond ring, bracelet, cash, ...

Hi-class escorts will too. Both kinds of gals working the legal gambling places such as horse racing, or casino's, and nice hotels where business meetings are held.

That sweet thang will saddle up, and hang on your arm as you toss dice. She pegged you two steps after you entered the Casino.

Now I have no idea what tee-vee shows portray, or current movies, or video games...
I do have an idea what is in the real world, and one is folks really do read people, places and things.
I do.
I was raised to do this.
Criminals do this too.


Don't look like prey - think like a criminal.

ArfinGreebly
August 8, 2008, 11:02 PM
Ha.

Steve, it's not that they wouldn't want to meet you, personally, it's more that they don't want to have to hack through the jungle where you live, beset on all sides by prehistoric bikers in loincloths and red-headed Amazons in short shorts.

:D

'Course, you could always introduce them to your pet tornado.

That thing been saddle broke yet?

:D

Pax Jordana
August 9, 2008, 12:19 AM
Cross Ink Pens were part of the uniform.
Chrome for patrol, 10k yellow gold filled for some ranks and the 14kygf for higher ups.
Sterling Silver and Gold ones for some special higher up deals.

This I can attest to. Not from being a subject of interest, but ambulance/fire work. The Cross may be a wonderful writing implement (I would not know) but it is most definitely cop bling.

From an EMT instructor/local LEO: When you roll onto a scene and you have to control or utilize the locals, look for people without tunnel vision, physically fit guys with short hair or anyone not in a suit with a really nice pen.

I think he was kidding us. Halfway.

sm
August 9, 2008, 02:10 AM
Arf wrote:
Steve, it's not that they wouldn't want to meet you, personally, it's more that they don't want to have to hack through the jungle where you live, beset on all sides by prehistoric bikers in loincloths and red-headed Amazons in short shorts.

You forgot the Plumbers, Maintenance, Painters, Drywall ...

I actually have fun with all this.

Setting : College.
Problem: Safe door failed in open condition.
They opened the safe and heard this "clink" and the S&G dealie bwoke...

I was in the Rec Room playing pinball, and listening to a live band at the time, shooting the bull with folks.

I was summoned...
"Call the lock and safe folks, don't bug me, I'm busy". - I said.
"No, we don't know how to get this door out without folks realizing the door is busted".

I knew the Professional Lock/Safe/Alarm folks.

They wanted to remove door, take it back to the shop, fix it, and bring it back.
Now this was a real safe, a big sucker with two doors.

College kids can't see past the stud-puppy or hot chick in mini-skirt.

Asked some EMT folks to roll up, with lights and sirens...everyone was at that side of the building wanting to know what had happened while the safe folks eased out and stuck this door onto a big wrecker.

This door would cause a van to get low on the springs and the front be pointed upward.

Faculty went for hours not realizing the door was off this safe, the back of the safe is what folks saw, and unless you walked around, you could not tell.
College students wanting to know what happened.
Mr. "Pillows" was having chest pains...

So the next day was the start of 3 days of Awareness.
Gideons are going to arrive and pass out little Bibles.
Insurance Company is going to have a car all totaled from drunk driving.
Safe Sex folks...
Free Cokes, pizza and fruit...college kids only do one thing better and that is "free booze".

Safe folks show back up, nobody paid any attention. I mean armed security baby sat that dept overnight.
Safe folks finished and I am going to show them where the free food is.
They are cracking up...
Nobody paid any attention to me carrying a fish bowl full of condoms across that part of the campus.
It was a good 15 minutes after I set this bowl onto a table, that it dawned on folks, what was in the fish bowl.

This was before I ever attended college myself.
I have fun with this stuff, Soc and CJ depts used to have me do stuff all the time.

I ran in and "stole" the CJ's breifcase...more than once.
I did this in other Depts too...

Now I am a 6' white male with a mustache.
I have been described as anything from a short fat gal with red hair to a "heavy chested" black lady, to you name it.

My other dealie in some classes was to "peg" folks.
Just to drive in the point many folks advertise too much.

Soc upper level with 80 students:
Brenda's parents have a gun safe, the combo starts with 81 and you deduct 12. (81-69-57-45.)
Joe's dad's Lincloln you push 1-9-1-1 to open the door.
Lisa's home alarm code is "In-In" (4-6-4-6)
Mark's gun safe is electronic and his code is "Mark" (6-2-7-5)

Like I keep saying...folks advertise too much

Don't look like prey - think like a criminal.

FourTeeFive
August 9, 2008, 02:30 AM
SM wrote:

I'm not being argumentative, I am being a Mentor.

I don't for a minute think you're argumentative. My point is that I don't want to live in the places you describe or be in your shoes, no offense intended. I am very happy to live away from dealing with the bad guys. And if I do cross their path I'm usually gone before they notice. And that's just fine with me.

I think you've lived enough for a few hundred of us. And again, that's just fine with me. Lucky for us you're still around to talk about it. Carry on!

sm
August 9, 2008, 02:43 AM
What I am trying to convey is - I do not always reside in a such bad areas.
I do have experiences in living in such areas, and having to travel and in be in such areas.


Part of what I do is assist those in staying safe, such as
College kids going off to college.
Take Rhodes in Memphis for example.

Now I have had some members ask me, what should they do about a kid heading to Rhodes.
First thing I share is to go see Tom Givens.

I mean go do the Rhodes bit in checking out the school, attending the orientation... still go see Tom and find out what is what about where to live, travel and the like.
Yes! Do consider having your kid take some classes from Givens. Still your kid has to live long enough to take them classes!

I guarantee you, if I am going to be in Indiana, I am going to holler at El Tejon, Daniel Flory and others I know, and get some information!

Now I am done with this thread, you folks can do what you please.

EDC knife recomendations for college? - Good luck, no more input on me on this.

I have those I do things with behind the monitor.
Some are THR members and we use PMs, some are in real life.

Don't ask me what to do about valuables while at college, as I will not share about that either - publicly.

Now in PMs and in real life I have , and am currently assisting with College Kids and that very subject as well.


There are a number of instructors and trainers that do not post on forums.
Some do, on private forums.
There is a reason.


*smile*

FourTeeFive
August 9, 2008, 09:28 AM
Purdue - Calumet area crime:

http://www.fedstats.gov/mapstats/crime/county/18089.html

Rhodes - Memphis area crime:

http://www.fedstats.gov/mapstats/crime/county/47157.html

'Nuf said. When I drive through Memphis I do that... I DRIVE through Memphis. Well, in the daytime I stop for ribs, and then I keep driving.

Carl Levitian
August 9, 2008, 10:03 AM
Interesting comments about Cross pens. I've been carrying one for about 40 years, a gift from my father. He gave it to me when I was leaving home as I had enlisted in the army. Told me on no uncertain terms he'd be most upset with me if I didn't write mom once a week to let her know I was okay. That pen served me well for the 10 years I was in the service, untill medically dishcharged. I don't know how many letters home it wrote, project reports, MOS evaluations and many other things. It was not untill I was a police officer for a couple years in the mid 70's that it was thought of as something else. Great compliance tool when pressed into a mastoid gland.

I still have that pen, battered with most of the chrome worn off, leaving it brassy, dented, scratched, and looking like its been through a war. Which of course it has. But it still is a great writing tool, and it still is carryed in shirt pocket now and then for old times sake. I don't think I could make out my checks with anything else.:D

seeker_two
August 9, 2008, 10:34 AM
Sounds like sm lives in the same place I do......Earth.....and he's right on the money about reading people and "urban camoflage".....as well as trouble being closer than you expect....

"Mentor" is inaccurate....I'd say "Sage" or "Prophet".....

conw
August 9, 2008, 12:29 PM
The way I've always interpreted SM's advice on these matters is that you need to really read the tea leaves as it were WHEREVER you are (rural North Dakota excepted perhaps)...

The greatest, most salient point he ever makes, in my book, is that these things don't happen "out of the blue" if you know what to look for...

CZ.22
August 10, 2008, 11:27 AM
A Kershaw Skyline would be a very good knife if you want a "tactical" style knife.

conw
August 10, 2008, 11:50 AM
Per the discussion here, check out Robert Mika's knife concealment holster.

Soap
August 10, 2008, 07:54 PM
Purdue - Calumet area crime:

Purdue is actually in the City of West Lafayette, Tippecanoe County. The crime in the Lake County/Calumet area is much, much higher.

FourTeeFive
August 11, 2008, 01:31 AM
Purdue - Calumet area crime:

http://www.fedstats.gov/mapstats/cri...nty/18089.html

Rhodes - Memphis area crime:

http://www.fedstats.gov/mapstats/cri...nty/47157.html
Purdue is actually in the City of West Lafayette, Tippecanoe County. The crime in the Lake County/Calumet area is much, much higher.

My mistake. You're right, Purdue is in a very calm area:

http://www.fedstats.gov/mapstats/crime/county/18157.html

CynicallyOptimistic
August 14, 2008, 01:40 AM
I decided on the Spyderco Tenacious w/ G-10 handle.

It arrived today and I am in love. Solid lock, quick open, incredible blade, I definitely feel like I got my money's worth!

Now if I can just find an allen wrench that'll fit the screws and switch it to tip-up carry so I can put on a ghetto wave!

jpatterson
August 14, 2008, 12:06 PM
I'm sure its been mentioned before in this thread, but my CRKT M16 (walmart ammo counter for $20) has provided me with all my college pocketknife needs. Now if they made a Swiss Army Knife with a keg tap, I'd probably switch to that ;)

mdao
August 14, 2008, 12:27 PM
Now if I can just find an allen wrench that'll fit the screws and switch it to tip-up carry so I can put on a ghetto wave!

I'd probably skip the ghetto wave. It's hard on pockets, isn't reliable unless you remove some metal and turn the hole into a U, and is people unfriendly.

Zip7
August 14, 2008, 12:56 PM
To tell you the truth, if I were you I would go with the Swiss Army Knife of your choice.

Until you have had one for a while, you cannot imagine how handy they are, and how often you will use the screwdrivers and other tools. Plus, they are inexpensive, and totally unthreatening. If you run across anyone who is afraid of a SAK, you may as well go ahead and kill them somehow because you don't want them breeding.

My 11 year old stepson has a nice SAK, and he uses it literally every single day for something. My wife took him to see a play at a local theater, and at intermission, they serve wine, etc... But the day he was there, they had lost their corkscrew and couldn't open any wine. Stepson whips out his SAK and saves the day.

I like and own many knives, but for pure utility and value, nothing is even in the same league as a SAK.

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