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Big D
August 6, 2008, 02:31 PM
Hey yall. I currently carry a 1911A1 for self-defense in my truck, everywhere I go. But I got to thinking, in today's world, would it be ignorant to actually carry a single-action sixgun? If you chose to, it would be with 5 rounds, for safety purposes. I jus wanted to get a discussion goin' on the issue....I don't believe I would have a problem carrying one at all....the only problem I see with them is capacity. The #1 advantage to them is the added reliability of a sixgun.....the extra overall handiness of one (I believe sixguns are more handy in general) and not having to purchase magazines. Any replys on the subject would be greatly appreciated.

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Jim March
August 6, 2008, 02:36 PM
My daily carry is a Ruger New Vaquero in 357 with improved sights and lowered (SuperBlackhawk) hammer.

Goes into a fanny pack just fine.

I do recommend something with a transfer bar safety. That means Ruger, or Beretta Stampede series, or Freedom Arms '97, or Taurus Gaucho (can't recommend the latter due to QC problems). These are safe six-up and if dropped even after being cocked can't AD. This goes triple for urban carry.

qwert65
August 6, 2008, 03:07 PM
the problem isn't capacity so much as impossibility of a fast reload. course some don't carry reloads

JesseL
August 6, 2008, 03:12 PM
I occasionally pack my Blackhawk. I figure I can do a fair amount with 6 rounds of .41 Magnum.

It makes at least as much sense as carrying anything else that holds six rounds or less and not carrying a reload (which I'm sure is what many here do).

csmkersh
August 6, 2008, 03:35 PM
I've carried SAs more than a few times and never felt deprived with only 5 rounds.

Big D
August 6, 2008, 03:37 PM
To tell you the truth....I think I can shoot a single-action more accurately than I can my 1911 with the standard GI sights.

Sniper X
August 6, 2008, 03:42 PM
Don't the statistics say that 99% of all defense gun finghts are fought using 1~3 rounds? I feel confident with a SAA as my CCW or open carry with six rounds, and another six in a pocket....

foghornl
August 6, 2008, 03:52 PM
Have sometimes 'packed' a SA revolver...

Many years back, when I was really poor & cheap, I carried a CVA reproduction of the .44 "1858 Army Remington"..yeah, you read that right...

A Blackpowder cap-n-ball revolver.

Only had to 'present' it once...You shoulda seen the miscreants face when I finally got that thing out and pointed in his direction....

Colt46
August 6, 2008, 04:33 PM
Tactical reloading, as pointed out, might be a real sticking point. Six rounds of .45 or even .357 ought to be enough for most of your needs.
Rugers are built pretty stout and have superior coil springs from a reliability standpoint.

BigBlock
August 6, 2008, 05:22 PM
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=377642

ShakyJake
August 6, 2008, 05:22 PM
Hi
Do not feel under gunned with my SAA clone as my CCW.:) As for the black bowder pistol I believe it was Clint Smith that mentioned that up to about 4 feet you will probably set them on fire too,:eek: so not a bad choice.
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Virginian
August 6, 2008, 09:15 PM
I have never felt undegunned when carrying one of my Ruger 44 Magnums, be it a Blackhawk or a Vaquero.

SaxonPig
August 6, 2008, 09:54 PM
Jim- Daily carry? In the Bay Area?

retgarr
August 6, 2008, 10:11 PM
For me I don't let carry define my life at all. A life where I have to be worrying if I have m gun with me is not one I want. I've spent most my life without a gun anyways. So if I want to carry I'll carry whatever strikes my fancy. Five shots is better than nothin and I am perfectly content with nothin anyways.

msgttbar
August 6, 2008, 10:27 PM
When you get to 65 with a bad ticker and double hernia, see if your answer is the same.

Jim March
August 6, 2008, 10:32 PM
Tucson. Didn't I get around to changing that yet?

Sigh.

VegasOPM
August 6, 2008, 10:36 PM
I use a Ruger Vaquero when I open carry while camping. As long as you practice enough that cocking it becomes automatic, it will do the job.

Phil DeGraves
August 7, 2008, 08:59 AM
Anything a single action revolver has done in the past, it can still do. While it may not be the best choice, it certainly is adequate enough and I think I'd rather carry a S/A .357/.44/45 than a semi in an inferior caliber like .25 or .32.

Kentucky-roughrider
August 7, 2008, 10:27 AM
A SA is fine gun. I pack one on every now and then. It is better any 25 acp, 22acp or even a 32 acp. and exscpecially no gun. Someone said a SA has the best one shot hit chance over anyother hand. That gun is still PC, or like least more than any other handgun.

OregonJohnny
August 7, 2008, 12:38 PM
Why a single-action over a double/single? What advantages does a single-action revolver have over a double/single-action revolver? Especially in a self-defense situation? In fact, I can think of a few advantages a double has over a single, but not the other way around (faster reloads, 2 options of trigger pull, etc.) I have 2 Ruger double/singles, 1 Ruger single, and a S&W double-only (642, shrouded hammer). Don't get me wrong, I love my single-action Ruger Single Six Convertible .22LR/.22WMR, and I think singles are absolute classics with a purpose, but why carry one over a double-action if you have the choice of either in the same caliber?

TallPine
August 7, 2008, 12:53 PM
What advantages does a single-action revolver have over a double/single-action revolver?

They fit your hand way better, point naturally, and you have a better chance of making an accurate shot the first time.

At least for me - YMMV

(right now I carry a DA, only because I don't have a medium caliber SA)

Mike Franklin
August 7, 2008, 02:21 PM
I used to carry a Colt SAA when I did corporate security for Jack in the Box off duty. I have many times carried a Colt SAA off duty. I've been in 6 stand up gunfights and the most rounds I ever fired in a fight was 4, 2 of those from a shotgun.
No I don't feel under gunned. I've been a Cop 31+ years. I've never met a Cop who needed a hi-cap gun in a fight.

20nickels
August 7, 2008, 02:38 PM
The only downside is carryweight, but for a truck gun it is perfect. Nuclear hot 357's out of a Vaquero are very manageable. Not undergunned at all.

Big D
August 7, 2008, 05:20 PM
I purchased my first SAA about 2 months back, and love it. The first single-action I ever had was an 1851 Navy. The one I now have is an Uberti Hombre Cattleman 4 5/8" barrel, in good ole .357 Magnum. Here's some pics:

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http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4256/hpim0609ia0.jpg

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/6338/hpim0610we1.jpg

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/2484/hpim0611rj6.jpg

BigBlock
August 7, 2008, 06:28 PM
Why a single-action over a double/single? What advantages does a single-action revolver have over a double/single-action revolver? Especially in a self-defense situation? In fact, I can think of a few advantages a double has over a single, but not the other way around (faster reloads, 2 options of trigger pull, etc.)

There is a 99.99% chance you will NEVER have to reload your gun in self defense. Cocking and shooting a SA is just as fast as pulling a DA trigger if you've practiced more than once. I can put six .44 Mag slugs in a target the size of a human torso from my Blackhawk in about 5 seconds. I don't think many people can out do that with a DA. They handle recoil better and the next shot placement is easier.

goon
August 7, 2008, 06:38 PM
I don't see any huge advantages but I also don't think the disadvantages are as big of a deal as they could be made out to be.
I'll admit that when I carry, I often just stick my handgun in my pocket or carry IWB without carrying a spare magazine.
Maybe not the best idea but I figure that a handgun with seven rounds on me is still better than no handgun at all and more importantly, it works FOR ME in my life just about any time I need to carry.
But by that logic, I'd agree that five or six rounds of .357 or .45 LC might just be better than seven rounds of 9mm.
I'd say that if in your life you can carry a full sized handgun or you can somehow conceal a single action revolver and go on about your business, go for it.

.38 Special
August 7, 2008, 06:54 PM
I would be comfortable with it. IMO the "tactical reload" etc. is pretty overblown. The statistics FOR CIVILIANS tend to indicate that we almost never reload in a gunfight. And of course the statistics also make it clear that we almost never fire the gun in a gunfight -- just having the gun is enough to "win" most of the time.

buttrap
August 7, 2008, 09:43 PM
My SAA will take a speed loader!

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