Question about carry Conditions


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wyosasquatch
August 8, 2008, 01:13 PM
I have tried to search about this and have even used Google but I can't find the definitions for Condition 1 and Condition 3 (got about 1000 hits and none have the definition but it just says that someone is carrying in Condition 1 or 3).

I think I figured out that Condition 1 is carrying with a round in the chamber (semi-auto) and that Condition 3 is carrying with a loaded magazine but not one in the chamber.

Is there a Condition 2? Are there more than 3 Conditions? Where do these definitions come from?

Sorry if I am asking something that has been hashed and rehashed, I just couldn't find anything specific about it.

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General Geoff
August 8, 2008, 01:26 PM
Said conditions were invented for the 1911 platform.

Condition 0 is loaded chamber, hammer cocked, safety off.
Condition 1 is loaded chamber, hammer cocked, safety on.
Condition 2 is loaded chamber, hammer down, safety off.
Condition 3 is empty chamber.


Many of these conditions do not (and often cannot) apply to Glocks or other pistols that are either DAO, have no external safety, or have no exposed hammer.

wyosasquatch
August 8, 2008, 05:28 PM
Thank you. I had figured out a couple of these but did not know if they applied to other weapons. I would assume that these conditions will not apply for my XD?

DoubleTapDrew
August 8, 2008, 07:15 PM
No they don't really apply to modern striker fired autos since condition 0,1, and 2 are all the same in a XD, Glock, etc.
It's either a round in the pipe or not, no external safeties, no traditional hammer.

K5mitch
August 8, 2008, 07:18 PM
Despite the differences... If you state you carry your glock/xd/etc Condition One, people know what you mean.

AZ_Rebel
August 8, 2008, 10:08 PM
Jeff Cooper defined the levels of carry (for the 1911) thusly:

Condition 0 - A round is in the chamber, hammer is cocked, and the safety is off.

Condition 1 - Also known as "cocked and locked," means a round is in the chamber, the hammer is cocked, and the manual thumb safety on the side of the frame is applied.

Condition 2 - A round is in the chamber and the hammer is down.

Condition 3 - The chamber is empty and hammer is down with a charged magazine in the gun.

Condition 4 - The chamber is empty, hammer is down and no magazine is in the gun.

Drgong
August 8, 2008, 10:12 PM
Indeed, there been some debates about which is better, Condition 1 or condition 3. (Very few if any carry in condition 2, for a number of reasons)

I used to be Condition 3 till today, and i am eating crow over here

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=384015

ar10
August 8, 2008, 11:05 PM
I think XD's would be a condition 0 or Condition 4. 1, 2, and 3. have no value at all.

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