Gander Mtn: Loaded Gun Sensors?


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Killermonkey21
August 8, 2008, 08:44 PM
I walked in to Gander Mountain today to price-check their range ammo and look around for a holster for my Hk USP9c.

I brought it in in its hard case, had it cleared, and zip-tied. I was in the firearms section BS'ing withe clerk (overall nice guy, understood his store had outrageous prices)

We get on the subject of open carry in the store, and all that. I ask him if I walked in the store OC'ing if that would be a big deal.

His words:
Clerk: "Thats fine, but make sure its not loaded."
Me: "But doesn't that defeat the purpose?"
Clerk: "My advice, just stick the magazine in your back pocket, and make sure the barrel is clear."
Me: "Why is that?"
Clerk: "If you step in this section with a loaded gun(points to the firearms section and lowers his voice to conspiratorial tone) alarms will go off."
Me: "Alarms?"
Clerk: "Yeah (still whispering), they spent bookoo [sic] bucks on it. If you have a loaded gun on you alarms are going to go off."
Me: ...:rolleyes:
"Damn, thats interesting. Thanks for the heads up. You take it easy, ok? Thanks for all the help.":banghead::banghead::banghead:

I paid for my holster and left...wondering how much the tinfoil at Wal-Mart is so I can make a hat for this guy. :uhoh:

Seriously...when did this miraculous invention appear? Is it online along with the mind-control devices and force fields?

:scrutiny:

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Poor East Texan
August 8, 2008, 08:51 PM
I don't know about sensors etc. but if I OCd a gun here in Texas I might very well get shot!

MIL-DOT
August 8, 2008, 08:52 PM
I hear the new Chevrolets are gonna have that too.:D

FCFC
August 8, 2008, 08:56 PM
You know, retail is kinda boring a lot of the time.

Maybe because of that, there is a game folks in retail sometimes play. It's called: Who can tell the weirdest story to a rube customer and get away with it?

Winner gets free lunch from the others...and they all laugh like loons.

jeepmor
August 8, 2008, 09:02 PM
This guy earned that lunch for sure. Loaded gun sensor, I don't think legally allowed to xray you with that much energy without telling you.

1911Tuner
August 8, 2008, 09:04 PM
A sensor that can detect the presence of live ammunition AND determine whether its in the gun or in your pocket...within inches of the gun?

Uh-huh. Right...

rantingredneck
August 8, 2008, 09:05 PM
You mean the one over there on Skibo road that I carried my P345 in a few months back?? :rolleyes:

Or did you mean the one in Greensboro that I carried my SP101 and LCP in last week?? :D

Killermonkey21
August 8, 2008, 09:09 PM
The one on Skibo. Oh, and their holster selection SUCKS!

..Just for those that don't know.

rantingredneck
August 8, 2008, 09:10 PM
The one in Greensboro is even worse.

siglite
August 8, 2008, 09:11 PM
When the alarms went off the other evening, I thought I won the jackpot! I kept waiting for coins to fall out of the register.

Um... yeah, this is BS.

jagugator
August 8, 2008, 09:20 PM
Now where did I put the deed for that bridge? I can let it go pretty cheap. Just PM me if your interested. :rolleyes:

Blues Brother
August 8, 2008, 09:25 PM
and they wonder WHY we carry guns.......

Nate C.
August 8, 2008, 11:35 PM
That's pretty funny, actually.

Downrange
August 8, 2008, 11:45 PM
Neato torpedo...

And I guess all these ex-Wally World employees have that new airport "see-thru" tech that allows uncensored views of what people look like under their clothes too?
I wondered what Gander was spending all those profits on...

1911Tuner
August 9, 2008, 02:45 AM
My take on it...

A new employee who was baggin' groceries down at the local Piggly Wiggly a week ago, and the old hands decided to have a little fun with him. Just a new twist on the old Muffler bearing/Widget wrench routine.

sm
August 9, 2008, 02:54 AM
A new employee who was baggin' groceries down at the local Piggly Wiggly a week ago, and the old hands decided to have a little fun with him. Just a new twist on the old Muffler bearing/Widget wrench routine.

Yeah the Piggly Wiggly folks told him to use a shelf stretcher to get that Campbell's Soup display set up.
When he could not find the Shelf Stretcher, PW employees said Gander must
have borrowed it.

Next week this guy will working at Target...because Gander will tell him Target borrowed the Shelf Stretcher....

chipperi
August 9, 2008, 04:27 AM
And did this person behind the counter have his head wrapped in aluminum foil to fend off the brain wave scanners??:neener:

NukemJim
August 9, 2008, 05:04 AM
xray you with that much energy without telling you.

Regardless of the amount of X-Rays that was utilized it would be an EXTREMELY difficult to tell if a gun had a round in the chamber ( I would say impossible except there are a lot if interesting imaging techniques and I know I do not know all of them ;) ) in the scenario outlined above.


NukemJim

tawcat
August 9, 2008, 07:22 AM
Funny! Our Gander Mtn has a sign as you walk in the door. It says something to this effect: If carrying guns to the gunsmith, please check in at the service counter, guns must be cleared and tagged. Does not apply to concealed carry.

After you go through all the BS of checking your gun(s), the clerk at the service desk thens hails over the stores PA system for an escort. When they escort arrives, they hand you back your firearms and you are then escorted back to the gunsmith.

Then after you conduct your business, whether it be walk out with your guns or you buy a new gun, you are escorted back to the front door, handed your guns and off you go.

Just kinda wondered about that process. :confused:

Mr White
August 9, 2008, 08:58 AM
You should go back and have some fun with him...

CC into the store with a loaded gun. Engage the clerk in a conversation about the new loaded gun sensors. Let him swallow the hook. Let him tell you how they work and how reliable they are, and how much money they spent on them. Really play the fool and act like you're buying his whole spiel. Then when the perfect moment presents itself, pull out your gun and clear it right in front of him. Tell him that they might want to get their system checked as it doesn't seem to be working.

Make sure you have a camera because the look on his face will be priceless and you'll have to post that pic here for all of us to see. :D

If you somehow get arrested as a result of this prank, let us know and we'll kick in a few bucks for your defense.

SCKimberFan
August 9, 2008, 09:05 AM
Man, I wuz gonna eBay them muffler bearings, you mean i wuz duped?!

xsquidgator
August 9, 2008, 09:11 AM
I always take what I hear from Gander Mountain with a grain of salt. The one down here is friendly but nutty. Last time I was there I was looking for some reloading components and struck up some friendly BS with the employee who was helping me find the powders I wanted. He even gave me a GM $10 gift card that he had a small stack of. And then he proceeded to tell me how I should get rid of my AR15 because "the government is about to outlaw .223 for everyone except military and police". He was 'super serial' like algore in the southpark episode about manbearpig. Swore that 'corporate' had told him this was coming down the pike and he was just giving me a friendly, insider's head's up.

I too left thinking I should make that guy a tinfoil hat.

CajunBass
August 9, 2008, 10:01 AM
Muffler bearings? :confused:

Did someone say Muffler bearings? :D

http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=3

Majic
August 9, 2008, 10:13 AM
So if the loaded magazine is in the gun it will detect it, but not if the magazine is in a pocket? :rolleyes:

bdickens
August 9, 2008, 10:14 AM
That's hilarious!

Blues Brother
August 9, 2008, 10:22 AM
weird science ;)

Zip7
August 9, 2008, 10:28 AM
Did you ask the guy if his codename was Gecko45?

DEDON45
August 9, 2008, 10:34 AM
That is hilarious. There are systems that can detect gunpowder (and other flammables / explosives), I'm sure... but something that can detect whether or not said gunpowder is in a brass case, behind a bullet, and in the chamber of a gun... yeah right. I'm sure they don't have the money for even a device that could "sniff" out the gunpowder anyhow, I recall the TSA was spending millions on equipment that could sniff explosives, etc.

Heh Heh... almost as good as the pranks we'd play when I worked for a large electronics retail chain (think one of the oldest ones that is still around) when I was in college... you'd call up a store that had a new employee, disguise your voice (if they knew you), and ask about their "cordless extension cords".... what was real funny is a lot of time the clueless one on the other end of the phone would say something like "Oh, we have 3 in stock."

:)

mgkdrgn
August 9, 2008, 10:38 AM
"Yeah (still whispering), they spent bookoo [sic] bucks on it. If you have a loaded gun on you alarms are going to go off."

That's pegging my bull****-o-meter here.

This is for sure representative of the knowledgeable staff I want to do business with. :what:

pappy
August 9, 2008, 10:42 AM
I know how they do it! They hired a full time physic to read your mind as you walk in!
they spent bookoo [sic] bucks on it
The Amazing Gonzo doesn't come cheap ya' know!

cpttango30
August 9, 2008, 11:08 AM
I heard about those too. I am suprised he didn't tell you about the exnavy seal team that lives on the roof and if you set the alarms off the aussy repel into the gun section and shoot in once in between the eyes. I also heard these were the same guys they used in the 2004 Antitheft devices video from Stick Death.com

http://www.stickdeath.com/2004auto.html

chris in va
August 9, 2008, 12:39 PM
Our GM has a sign that basically says guns must be cased and unloaded except for CC permit holders. Never tried to OC there though.:scrutiny:

Oneofsix
August 9, 2008, 01:51 PM
Killermonkey, this wasn't a bald guy without an orange vest on, was it?

Dookie
August 9, 2008, 01:52 PM
Muffler hangers are also known as muffler bearings. Don't ask me why, for all I know it started out as a joke. I know a few mechanics and whenever they order muffler hangers they call them bearings instead. Different shops, different warehouses.

jwr_747
August 9, 2008, 01:54 PM
July 21,2006,John Sizemup patent # KL-254617W."loaded weapon detection device".bottom line is when you pass thru the entry portal to the area,a magnetic harmonic frequency is set up.given the average density of a pistol/revolver mass with and without a loaded magazine or cylinder.the disruption of the magnetic field indicates pistol magazine in close proximity,or rounds in a revolver. of course all this went to pot with the expansion of the poly frame pistols. jwr

Rey B
August 9, 2008, 01:55 PM
Great site there Cajun Bass. I wonder if they have any of the stuff I used to send young sailors in search of? :evil:Batteries for a sound powered phone, 20 feet of chow line, a BT punch, a bucket of prop wash, etc. :evil:

Killermonkey21
August 9, 2008, 04:15 PM
OneofSix: No, tall guy, early-mid 20's, caucasian, but orange vest, yes.

Trust me. I wanted to mess with him soooo bad, but I get tired of having debates with people over something I know is true (gun shop employee tried to tell me that you have to be 21 to possess a handgun under FEDERAL law when I bought my WASR-10), so I save myself the brain cells and just drive on.

ceetee
August 9, 2008, 05:09 PM
I have GOT to get one of these "710" caps...


http://kalecoauto.com/images/710cap.jpg

HB
August 9, 2008, 05:45 PM
Boredom is mother of all fun :neener:

elsullo
August 10, 2008, 06:34 PM
I used to drive city bus in a depressed metropolitan area. Morons who did not have a dog to kick would seek out a bus driver to abuse. They could not read a schedule so they would DEMAND to know why the bus was late.

I usually said, "I am really sorry, but we had a bad problem with meteiorites today."

They usually said, "Well, that's OK then," and then go sit down.........................elsullo :D

SCKimberFan
August 10, 2008, 07:04 PM
Oh no, not meteorites again!!

hksw
August 10, 2008, 08:44 PM
Clerk: "Thats fine, but make sure its not loaded."
Me: "But doesn't that defeat the purpose?"
Clerk: "My advice, just stick the magazine in your back pocket, and make sure the barrel is clear."
Me: "Why is that?"
Clerk: "If you step in this section with a loaded gun(points to the firearms section and lowers his voice to conspiratorial tone) alarms will go off."
Me: "Alarms?"
Clerk: "Yeah (still whispering), they spent bookoo [sic] bucks on it. If you have a loaded gun on you alarms are going to go off."

That's one of the funniest exchanges I've read in a while.

Halo
August 10, 2008, 10:04 PM
These stories remind me of something my dad told me. When he was a teenager he worked at a service station when the VW Beetles first started getting popular, and their drivers loved to mess with service station kids by pulling up and asking them to check the radiator.

.cheese.
August 10, 2008, 10:08 PM
I'm not even sure if what he said is currently technologically possible.

I suppose the new technology that can see through clothing that's being used at some airports could one day be used for such a system, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't currently exist.

Sylvan-Forge
August 11, 2008, 05:31 AM
Cheyenne Mountain .. sure.

Gander Mountain .. :p

.

Zach S
August 11, 2008, 08:00 AM
I was in line at a store one day and someone asked the cashier something about those dern chips they put in merchandise to set the alarm at the door off.

The cashier proceeded to tell the guy that if the door alarms is tripped, it notifies the police and they're at the store before the shoplifter can get to his car.

She didn't seem too amused when I mentioned that thousands of folks a year die, or see someone die, while on the phone with 911 waiting for emergency personnel. I also mentioned a guy at work who cut a few fingers off and waited 40 minutes on an ambulance.

She was even less amused when I mentioned that I set that very alarm off about every 5th time I'm in the store since the tags aren't always deactivated, and have never seen an officer roll in to grab me.

I heard the same thing at northern tool yesterday. I started to ask her if she worked at autozone a while back...

foghornl
August 11, 2008, 08:13 AM
While @ Gander, don't forget to ask for the "Sky Hook" and "#8 Shoreline" so you can get the tents set up without using poles & pegs...:D :evil: :D :evil:

Never mind HOW I know, I just know. Something to do with being a "tenderfoot" ranked Scout at my first week-long camporee

XDKingslayer
August 11, 2008, 08:50 AM
You should have asked them how many false positives the isles full of ammo cause.

Blues Brother
August 11, 2008, 09:19 AM
I was at K mart once bought a CD, and they scanned it, deactivated the chip, and I paid for it. As I was leaving the store, the alarms went off, the manager happend to be standing right near the doorway....so I stopped, and turned around and was going to show him my receipt for what I bought, and he looks at me and says, "go ahead, your OK."

so why even have those things then if they arent going to check you?

kevindsingleton
August 11, 2008, 09:40 AM
I never even slow down when the alarms go off on my way out of a store.

I've never tried OC at our local Gander Mountain store, but they do have the signs that say all guns must be checked and cleared, except for LTCF carry. Maybe I'll give it a shot, next time I'm in there, and see if any alarms go off.

RoadkingLarry
August 11, 2008, 09:58 AM
And yet, they vote... :(

Landor
August 11, 2008, 10:34 AM
You got to give the guy credit for creativity. :)

That is pretty funny.

RobNDenver
August 11, 2008, 10:36 AM
I think Gander Mountain has a loaded wallet detector, the way their prices are advertised.

What a hoot!!

The Lone Haranguer
August 11, 2008, 12:59 PM
If you wrap your gun in foil, can you defeat the sensor? :neener:

pitbullman
August 11, 2008, 03:08 PM
"The one in Greensboro is even worse":confused:




i wont say that ive been there a few time with my 1911 cocked and locked oc'ing with no prblems
even went as far as handling there guns with my own on my hip

JesseL
August 11, 2008, 03:24 PM
Regardless of the amount of X-Rays that was utilized it would be an EXTREMELY difficult to tell if a gun had a round in the chamber ( I would say impossible except there are a lot if interesting imaging techniques and I know I do not know all of them ) in the scenario outlined above.

I dunno, this looks pretty real to me:

http://whatsthecrack.net/images/articles/366/Gun%20Fired.jpg

It's interesting to note that the slide has recoiled a few millimeters, the locking lugs are about halfway disengaged, and you can faintly see the bones of the shooter's hand.

1911Tuner
August 11, 2008, 03:43 PM
It's interesting to note that the slide has recoiled a few millimeters, the locking lugs are about halfway disengaged,

Off-topic for a bit...

The slide has moved about 1/10th inch, and the lugs haven't vertically disengaged at all. Very few 1911s' upper barrel lugs bottom in the slide lug recesses, even with full depth of engagement. Notice that the slide lugs are still touching the top of the barrel between its lug recesses, and the rear slide lug faces are hearing horizontally against the barrel lugs' front faces.

Very good illustration of the slide lugs being forced back against the barrel's lugs and pulling the barrel backward..whild the barrel being held forward by the bullet's frictional drag, by the way.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled slugfest. :)

SuperNaut
August 11, 2008, 03:50 PM
'Scuse me while I go get my board stretcher, I'll reply to this thread when I get back.

Mannlicher
August 11, 2008, 03:54 PM
that clerk's remarks are SO stupid, I can't believe you passed it on. :what:

gundog94
August 11, 2008, 04:12 PM
As a former employee (gunsmith) of Gander Mountain, I can assure you that I have never heard of this. Company policy is that customers with a valid permit are allowed to carry a loaded, concealed handgun in the store, they aren't even required to check it at the front counter. Employees, on the other hand, are not allowed to even bring a gun into the store unless it is for repair or selling. Way to go Gander!

Ed N.
August 11, 2008, 04:36 PM
The correct reply would've been, "Guess they wasted all that money, then, because it didn't go off when I walked in here!"

ColinthePilot
August 11, 2008, 04:45 PM
They must've found that loaded gun detector in the same section as the spools of flight line, buckets of prop wash, boxes of grid squares and powdered urine detector (in my lifeguarding days, I used to tell kids we added a chemical to the water that turns bright purple when someone pees in the pool).
Well, off to the auto parts store for some blinker fluid and brake pad grease.

NukemJim
August 11, 2008, 04:49 PM
I dunno, this looks pretty real to me:

Indeed it does. But I thought (there I go thinking again :rolleyes: ) that the question the original poster asked was a sensor device of some type that would detect the loaded gun if it was being OC'd

We get on the subject of open carry in the store, and all that. I ask him if I walked in the store OC'ing if that would be a big deal.

I am basing my understanding on the following

[QUOTE]We get on the subject of open carry in the store, and all that. I ask him if I walked in the store OC'ing if that would be a big deal.

His words:
Clerk: "Thats fine, but make sure its not loaded."
Me: "But doesn't that defeat the purpose?"
Clerk: "My advice, just stick the magazine in your back pocket, and make sure the barrel is clear."
Me: "Why is that?"
Clerk: "If you step in this section with a loaded gun(points to the firearms section and lowers his voice to conspiratorial tone) alarms will go off."
Me: "Alarms?"
Clerk: "Yeah (still whispering), they spent bookoo [sic] bucks on it. If you have a loaded gun on you alarms are going to go off."


If you can get an image like the one that was posted (which is an extremely nice image by the way, thank you) while someone is OCing the handgun I would like to know the specifications of it.

NukemJim

Dorryn
August 11, 2008, 05:01 PM
As a former employee (gunsmith) of Gander Mountain, I can assure you that I have never heard of this. Company policy is that customers with a valid permit are allowed to carry a loaded, concealed handgun in the store, they aren't even required to check it at the front counter.

Maybe this is true in some stores. I was personally yelled at for not unloading my CCW at the front door. Yes, I read the exact same sign that says it doesnt apply to CC. SO I called to talk to a manager to make sure it wasnt just some ignorant employee. Nope, store policy. CC is perfectly ok, if the weapon is completely unloaded... thus making it worthless. After being yelled at by these monkeys, ill never shop in a Gander Mountain again. I hope they go bankrupt.

whitefeather
August 11, 2008, 05:20 PM
I visited my local Gander Mtn. a couple of days ago to pick up a Ruger 50th Anniv. Blackhawk .44mag that I had purchased from CDNN and had shipped to them (they do FFL transfers for $35.00)

Anyhow, I fill out all the paperwork, they run their check, etc. I'm dealing with a guy who I've known for some time. He has sold me several guns over the years. Another guy with a badge that says "Manager" is also behind the counter and decides he's going to help out by reading the Serial No. and other info. out load while my salesman buddy is filling out some paperwork.

He says "Ruger Blackhawk A4 Remington Magnum Caliber". :confused:Yes, that's right; he said "A" as in apple Four Remington Magnum. I then said " I think you mean Forty Four Remington Magnum Caliber". He just looked puzzled and mumbled something and went away.

After we finished up, I asked my salesman buddy if he needed to walk me to the door with the gun (as has ALWAYS been their custom at Gander) and he just says "No, you can just go on out by yourself". I also had a newly-purchased box of ammo for the Blackhawk in my posession.

I'm pretty sure he just violated a rule there, but I could be wrong.

Slinger
August 11, 2008, 06:57 PM
Clever bastagas! They found a way to foil my rare CIA issued ceramic Glock!

Poor East Texan
August 11, 2008, 10:13 PM
I walked straight out with my New CZ Trainer and a box of Mini Mags. Of course it was three kinds of HE&& to get the paperwork and money all taken care of!

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August 11, 2008, 10:48 PM
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Funny! Our Gander Mtn has a sign as you walk in the door. It says something to this effect: If carrying guns to the gunsmith, please check in at the service counter, guns must be cleared and tagged. Does not apply to concealed carry.

After you go through all the BS of checking your gun(s), the clerk at the service desk thens hails over the stores PA system for an escort. When they escort arrives, they hand you back your firearms and you are then escorted back to the gunsmith.

Then after you conduct your business, whether it be walk out with your guns or you buy a new gun, you are escorted back to the front door, handed your guns and off you go.

Just kinda wondered about that process.
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I noticed that sign in the Tyler, Tx store. I always carry concealed there and have never had a problem. Last Friday I purchased a big rifle( 375 H&H CZ Safari model) and when transaction was complete the gentleman in the gun dept handed me the boxed rifle and said have a nice day, I do not need to escort you out.

GeezerwithGuns
August 12, 2008, 12:03 PM
This has the light on my BS detector flickering. :neener:

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