NY state gun laws


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Ohen Cepel
August 9, 2008, 02:18 PM
It looks like NY state will be my next job. Not NYC proper.

Can someone give me a good simple webpage of the gun laws there?

Anything you can't have (I know suppressors are out there)?

Do you have to register everything with the state?

Is a CCW possible there?

General stuff like that is what I would like to know so I can plan accordingly.

I know I usually give the advice to people to stay out of states like NY. However, I don't have that choice now.

Thanks in advance!

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heyjoe
August 9, 2008, 02:35 PM
every county has its own policies on getting a permit for ccw. in some counties a judge decides and in others the police department does. generally north of westchester county is easier to get a permit than westchester. nassau, suffolk and nyc.

ByAnyMeans
August 9, 2008, 06:59 PM
Heyjoe has it correct regarding CCW. You also need one of those permits to simply purchase a handgun and again the farther North you are the easier it is. The permit you seek is either restricted (target / hunting) or unrestricted for CCW. Nothing is needed to purchase a longgun but your stuck in 1994 regarding the AWB. It continues and the only ones allowed where ones manufactured prior to the ban even if you purchased yours post ban and bring it in to the state now it's a no-no.

What part of NY ?

Prince Yamato
August 9, 2008, 08:41 PM
What city and county are you going to be moving to? That would help tremendously.

In general though:

*You need a permit to even posses a pistol. Your pistols will have to be kept out of state until you get your paperwork in order.
*CCW is entirely dependent upon the county you wind up in.
*If you get an unrestricted pistol permit, it is good for life and you can carry pretty much everywhere except for schools and courthouses.
*There is an AWB that mirrors the old federal one.
*The only NFA items allowed are AOWs, which are treated as pistols in NYS. You could get a Serbu Super-Shorty if you can get an LEO sign-off.

rero360
August 9, 2008, 11:12 PM
the guys have covered about most of it. also in most of the state for hunting its pistol, shotgun, and muzzleloader only, no rifle, however more and more counties are allowing rifles every year.

DragonFire
August 9, 2008, 11:31 PM
the AWB. It continues and the only ones allowed where ones manufactured prior to the ban even if you purchased yours post ban and bring it in to the state now it's a no-no.


This is completely untrue. New ARs (and the like) are perfectly legal in NYS as long as they don't have certain features like collapsible stocks or flash hiders and such. You can buy new ARs and buy or bring into the state preban rifles that are exempt from the restrictions.

Most counties required residency for 6 months or more before you'd be allowed to apply for a pistol permit. You do not have to register your long guns, and you can probably find a FFL that can store your pistols until you get a permit.

Yeah, NYS has alot of requirements but its not the gun-hell that alot a people make it out to be, especially up state.

Norton
August 9, 2008, 11:32 PM
Steve,

I thought you were trying to get AWAY from this stuff?
:neener:

Ohen Cepel
August 10, 2008, 01:02 AM
Norton,
I knew you would be along for a chuckle on this, bit ironic I know. For now it seems like a better option than md though. Had enough of that place already and I'm not into giving them a 3rd chance to shaft me. Figured I would take a different type of beating this time at least :-)

Prince- headed to West Point area, not sure what county that falls into yet.

Dragonfire- Sounds like hell to me since I'm coming from a free state.

Would have loved to stay in the South but just couldn't make it happen.

Prince Yamato
August 10, 2008, 01:38 AM
Found this:

Putnam County

Cost: @$120

Eligibility Requirements:
1.) 21 years old
2.) Must be Putnam resident for 6 months.
2.) 4 NY references who have known you for 3 years.
3.) Background check, mental health check, & finger printing

Process Time: It can take up to 4 months, but mine was done in about 10 weeks.

Restrictions: Initial licenses are "hunting & target shooting only." If you specifically ask for a license with no restrictions, i.e. 'full carry', you will have to go before one of the county judges and ask for it. Have no fear, the judge is a reasonable man.

Purchasing: Purchase ticket system: Buy pistol, seller give you gun info, go to sheriff's office and get info added to your permit for $3, wait 5 or so days and go pick up your coupon, or have it mailed to you. Your first pistol purchase ticket is pre-signed, meaning you can purchase it the day you get it added to your permit.

Personal Experience: Both the County Clerk's office and the Sheriff's department are friendly and helpful. There is no stigma attached to getting a pistol license in Putnam.
===

Just a thought, but you're pretty close to CT. It would be easy to get a CCW if you lived in CT and commuted to NYS.

Prof. A. Wickwire
August 10, 2008, 01:55 AM
West Point is in Orange County, not Putnam.

From my understanding, as long as you do not live in Newburgh the same basic guidelines apply as in the rest of the state. I do not know how gun-owner friendly the Judge/County Clerk/County Sheriff are in Orange County. However, the County Executive and the Sheriff are both Republicans (albeit New York Republicans) so that might help.

Due to a higher crime rate and some drug issues, Newburgh can be a little more challenging.

Orange County Pistol Permits (http://www.orangecountygov.com/orgMain.asp?storyID=208&sid=)

Good luck and welcome to the jungle.

Sincerely,

Prof. A. Wickwire

peck1234
August 10, 2008, 02:02 AM
HERE YOU GO


FROM A FELLOW NEW YORK'ER TO A SOON TO BE, ENJOY!!!!!! : )

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=8&f=9&t=307707

http://www.nraila.org/statelawpdfs/NYSL.pdf

SigNY
August 10, 2008, 02:47 AM
I have heard several different things about Orange County. Some get the unrestricted and some get restricted. I work with several people that live in OC and it's a mix bag of who has restricted or not. If you can choose a county that is close to West Point, go with Dutchess where it is unrestricted for all who apply. Im not sure about Ulster or Putnam Counties though.

Norton
August 10, 2008, 05:55 AM
Norton,
I knew you would be along for a chuckle on this, bit ironic I know. For now it seems like a better option than md though. Had enough of that place already and I'm not into giving them a 3rd chance to shaft me. Figured I would take a different type of beating this time at least :-)

Exactly.....just think of all of the new confusing, contradictory and restrictive laws that you'll have an opportunity to learn :D

At least that part of NY seems pretty nice.

Ohen Cepel
August 10, 2008, 10:30 AM
Great info guys, thanks!

Norton- At least I was a free man for a few months and loved being back in the South. Hell, now get to carry a mcahine gun everywhere I go:evil:
Also, from looking it over NY looks better than md as far as ccw goes. Seems that after a pound of flesh and a gallon of blood I have a chance to get a permit in ny, better than the fiasco in md. Does suck though that since they are so crappy to the rest of the nation though that their permit is good no where else. Oh well, the price I pay to be foolish enough to cross the Mason Dixon again (and no, md is not the South for those of you who try to assert it is :-)

SigNY- great advice on Duchess county, I should have some control over where I live and will keep that in mind. No reason to make this suck more than needed.

Prof. A. Wickwire
August 10, 2008, 01:38 PM
Does suck though that since they are so crappy to the rest of the nation though that their permit is good no where else.

Ohen Cepel,

Go to Handgunlaw (http://www.handgunlaw.us/) and build a map of states that recognize your permit.

For example my New York State permit is recognized by AK, AZ, ID, IN, KY, MD, MI, MT, OK, SD, TN, TX, UT, VT.

If you get some of the non-resident permits (i.e. Pennsylvania, Utah) you can open up much more of the country.

Good luck.

Sincerely,

Prof. A. Wickwire

Ohen Cepel
August 11, 2008, 03:38 AM
Prof- I read the map wrong. They accept no one else's (very royal of them) from the way I read it. Plus, the places that I often travel to (VA and NC to see family) therefore don't recognize ny's.

So, will have to get the "empirial" permit and keep my non-resident permit. Could be worse, could be back in md:evil:

Norton
August 11, 2008, 07:08 AM
Could be worse, could be back in md
:scrutiny:
..
..
..
:D

Ohen Cepel
August 11, 2008, 07:14 AM
Norton,
Just for you man!

Hope all is well there and that you may also escape someday.

I would stay in the South is at all possible!

Looking at the option of living in PA and commuting to the West Point area. Would prefer to stay out of ny if possible.

Clermont
August 11, 2008, 10:05 AM
New York City does not recognize any handgun permits issued in the remaining 57 counties in New York State. In order to carry or possess in NYC, you must have a permit issued by the city. Possession of rifles and shotguns in NYC, since 1968, requires a NYC rifle/shotgun permit. Possession of percussion pistols and revolvers, throughout the state, is legal without any special permit. However, if you intend to shoot it, it is treated as a modern cartridge firearm and requires a handgun permit. Possessing a loaded percussion handgun without a permit, is possessing an unregistered handgun.

yourang?
August 11, 2008, 12:56 PM
dont even bring your handguns into the state

you need a license just to possess them

if you want an ffl to hold them, it has to be one that
is not in nystate

very strict about this, so be careful

long guns, on the other hand, are okay, without a license

Prince Yamato
August 11, 2008, 02:29 PM
Looking at the option of living in PA and commuting to the West Point area.

CT is closer and has moderately better gun laws the NYS. You still won't be able to bring your pistols into NYS though if you live out of state.

Ohen Cepel
August 11, 2008, 02:46 PM
If I'm able to stay out of ny except for work that it what I'll do.

Will keep all the firearms out of their jurisdiction as well as all of my money if possible.

I have no intentions of going into nyc so not worried about that.

As an odd note though, it's supposed to be allowed under the Sullivan act for a commissioned military officer to carry a sidearm in nyc. Wouldn't try it on a bet since I'm sure I would rot in jail for a loooong time before bloomberg let me out. However, does anyone know if that is true?

ZeSpectre
August 11, 2008, 02:52 PM
Born and raised in upstate NY.
Left there at age 23 and never looked back.

All I can say is DON'T DO IT. If there ever was a state good at digging into your pockets then NY is IT!

anarchris
August 11, 2008, 06:25 PM
Are so bad CA is great in comparison.

Prince Yamato
August 11, 2008, 09:20 PM
Even if you live in CT, you may still have to pay NYS income tax because your job is in NYS.

Are so bad CA is great in comparison.

Umm... no. You can still get AWs in NYS and you have a greater chance of getting a CCW in NYS. You can also get hi-cap mags as well.

Ohen Cepel
August 12, 2008, 12:53 AM
Prince- it's more about spending my money in a place that I find more tolerable.

Not worried about the taxes, won't be an issue for me.

The more I read the better CT looks in this case.

Clermont
August 12, 2008, 09:12 AM
In New York State, pre 1899 antique cartridge handguns require a pistol permit. New York State makes no distinction between modern and antique cartridge handguns.

ZeSpectre
August 12, 2008, 09:17 AM
Not worried about the taxes, won't be an issue for me
When dealing with New York? I'll believe that when I see it. :neener:

Knucklehead2
August 12, 2008, 11:27 AM
Ohen Cepel, I live in PA, West Point area in around fifty minutes, Interstate 84.
PA has free public ranges, better taxes, CHL in twenty-one days.

Ohen Cepel
August 14, 2008, 11:05 AM
So do I have to register each and every handgun by serial number after I wait 6mns to get my permit from the benevolent government?

Or, do I just need to get the permit?

The idiocy of these laws is rather cumbersome to say the least!

Also, do they let a guy with a C&R FFL order pistols? Long-guns? Is is worth it to have a C&R in ny?

Thanks for helping this southern boy from a free state get used to all the great laws from up north :-)

yourang?
August 14, 2008, 11:28 AM
you have to register every pistol on your ny permit

registering is for possession...maybe they will also let you carry them too
you dont know until you get the license back

you cant have a pistol that isnt on the license
it will get you into jail, pronto

you have to get the permit then add all the pistols you
want to have in ny on the permit

the ones you dont want on the permit, you have to leave
outside the state, hopefully in some safe place

as far as i can tell, any pistol able to be fired has to be
on the permit, even if it is c and r...it has to go through
a regular ffl

c and r would work for long guns, being able to be shipped
right to your house, instead of going through a regular ffl

that would definitely save you some money since the ffls
charge anywhere from 15-30 dollars for a transfer, depending
on who you are dealing with

Ohen Cepel
August 14, 2008, 11:43 AM
I have to reconsider this assignment then. It's almost more pallatable to deploy overseas again than surrendering my rights at "home".

I don't have a safe place to leave my collection for 3-4 years. Pretty sad that people accept this.

Very sad for so many reasons..........

Oh, and does this idiocy apply to air pistols and rifles also?

ctdonath
August 15, 2008, 11:16 AM
I have to register each and every handgun by serial number after I wait 6mns to get my permit from the benevolent government?
Yes. No exceptions, not even C&R.

Speedo66
August 15, 2008, 01:53 PM
As far as carrying because you are a US military officer, I would refer you to the NYS Penal Law, Section 265.20, Exemptions.

In subsection (d), they say "Persons employed in the military or other service of the US in pursuit of official duty or when authorized by federal law, regulation or order to possess the same."

In other words, unless you are on duty at the time and it's part of your duty to carry, the answer would be no. Also, you had better be carrying the official issued US sidearm even at that time.

CNYCacher
August 15, 2008, 07:59 PM
Leave your handguns out of state and have them shipped FFL->FFL when you get your permit.

Long guns are not restricted in any way except for the AWB mirror. Basically, if it as a detachable magazine rifle, it can only have 1 "evil feature"

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