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GhostlyKarliion
August 10, 2008, 10:02 PM
I'd like to talk for a bit about some of the irrational fears some of us shooters have about firearms.

Does anyone else get that churn of the gut and dreadful beat skip of the heart when you drop a rim fire cartridge on a concrete floor? The image of the round hitting just right and detonating, embedding shrapnel in my leg flashed across my mind every time I drop one. I have never had one explode on me, but the fear is still there.

Anyone else have fears about guns that you know arenít likely to happen, but are still concerned with nonetheless?

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Aran
August 10, 2008, 10:04 PM
Fortunately, nothing comes to mind.

So either I'm not aware that any of my thoughts are irrational, or I'm more rational than I thought. ;)

yesit'sloaded
August 10, 2008, 10:05 PM
It isn't an irrational fear. I saw a guy get nailed by one at scout camp. It just left a bruise though.

COMPNOR
August 10, 2008, 10:09 PM
I don't think I could ever carry a Single Action only weapon with a round chamber, hammer cocked, no matter how safe it is. Wouldn't matter if a single accident had never happened, I just don't think I could do it. It just feels like an accident waiting to happen to me.

Drgong
August 10, 2008, 10:12 PM
I don't think I could ever carry a Single Action only weapon with a round chamber, hammer cocked, no matter how safe it is. Wouldn't matter if a single accident had never happened, I just don't think I could do it. It just feels like an accident waiting to happen to me.

I was like that for a while...I recently accepted Condition 1 though.

However I would say that many worries are not "irrational", just respectful of what it can do.

Treo
August 10, 2008, 10:28 PM
I worry that the hammer will get broken when I carry Condition 1

MT GUNNY
August 10, 2008, 10:31 PM
Not realy fears, just thoughts, like what if that would have discharged?

Youngster
August 10, 2008, 10:32 PM
I don't know if you'd call it irrational but I fear lowering the hammer over a live round on DA pistol designs that don't have a decock lever, in fact I've never tried it.

Monkeybear
August 10, 2008, 10:35 PM
I always get nervous when one of my friends handles on of my firearms. My greatest fear is that they will drop it, scratch it or some how manage to break something off of it.

RP88
August 10, 2008, 10:37 PM
top three:

-having my house broken into and my guns stolen
-being attacked, mugged, etc. for my guns while in a parking lot of a range or something
-watching as the politicians ban 'assault weapons', which would pretty much outlaw every single gun I have interest in buying and shooting.

Number three would probably hurt my enthusiasm for guns so much that I may stop having an active recreational interest in them.

jrfoxx
August 11, 2008, 01:04 AM
My only real fear with guns is taking one too far apart (as in well beyond field stripping) and no gettiong it put back together, or getting it wrong, or breaking/losing something.
Finding good, detailed instructions that go beyond field stripping can be a little difficult, especially for some of the less common guns and/or some milsurps.That, and some guns are just designed REALLY wierd and can be very different from what you are used too and arent at all intuitive, and some things are just a serious pain in the butt. My Mauser 71/84 bolt assembly after bying all the individual parts was one of the most diffucult, painful things I have ever done gun-wise.I also consistantly screw-up the field strip of my Astra 600 and have the barrel rotate on me which is a pain, and my Galesi spring and firing pin like to sproing out and send me searching.

Crow1108
August 11, 2008, 01:13 AM
It's kind of silly, but I keep my 1911 at condition one at all times. I know it's been said many times that this won't have any adverse effect on the hammer spring, but I had the fear once or twice that if I ever needed to use it in a defense situation, I'd get a "Click" rather than a "Bang" due to a weakened spring.

I occasionally have a nightmare where I'm in a situation where I have to use a gun, and it fires, but has absolutely no effect. I've had several variations of the same dream. The most realistic was my wife and I were in a mall, and somebody pulled a gun and was shooting randomly. I shoved my wife into the nearest store to get her out of harm's way, pulled my gun, and fired at the guy, but again to no effect. He turned his gun on me, and that's when I woke up.

I guess after those, the next biggest would be I would get orders overseas, and during that time the government took a severe turn for the worse and all-out gun confiscations happened.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
August 11, 2008, 01:43 AM
Fire and theft are my main concerns.

General Geoff
August 11, 2008, 01:56 AM
I've yet to manually lower a cocked hammer on a loaded DA revolver. Just doesn't seem particularly safe to me. I'll probably try it a few times at the range, but it'll probably make me very sweaty-palmed.

Vermont
August 11, 2008, 07:34 AM
After I reassemble a firearm, I worry that I didn't put it together properly and that when I fire it, some parts will come loose and shoot out of the back of the gun into my face. Weird.

ToeRag
August 11, 2008, 07:42 AM
Carrying IWB --- front

thinking what happens if that round in the chamber goes off, while a quik draw and squeezing the trigger by mistake to soon!

sweetbeard
August 11, 2008, 08:35 AM
After I reassemble a firearm, I worry that I didn't put it together properly and that when I fire it, some parts will come loose and shoot out of the back of the gun into my face. Weird.

+ 1 I try to keep my face well far away from a gun after I put it back together for the first firing! LOL

wheelgunslinger
August 11, 2008, 08:44 AM
The closest I ever come to being OCD is when I'm carrying.
Some people with OCD have to count to 100 before going through a doorway, and I have a safety ritual I have to do before I carry. Nothing weird, just the usual safety precautions. But, I never carry without going through the motions. I never want an ND, so I never assume anything.

Otherwise, I'm pretty normal. Whatever that is.

everallm
August 11, 2008, 08:48 AM
I have an irrational fear of other peoples unfounded fears.....Sorry couldn't resist.

Although now I think of it, almost all firearms controllers are driven by unfounded fears so maybe I'm not that paranoid after all......

spwenger
August 11, 2008, 09:03 AM
Does anyone else get that churn of the gut and dreadful beat skip of the heart when you drop a rim fire cartridge on a concrete floor? The image of the round hitting just right and detonating, embedding shrapnel in my leg flashed across my mind every time I drop one. I have never had one explode on me, but the fear is still there.
Detonation of the primer in a cartridge that is not supported by a firing chamber will not impart much velocity to the bullet, as mentioned in an earlier comment. Several years ago, a few of us were cleaning up the local range in Douglas AZ. Trash was being burned in a "ventilated" 55-gallon drum. A discarded .22 round went off and happened to be pointed toward one of the holes in the drum. The bullet struck a member of the clean-up party in the leg. It failed to penetrate his jeans and barely raised a welt.

Grey_Mana
August 11, 2008, 10:31 AM
I have an irrational fear that somebody will arc an arrow over the berm into the pistol range area.

jackstinson
August 11, 2008, 10:38 AM
I have an irrational fear of clowns.
A tiny carload of them is just plain creepy.
Killer Klowns from outer space are even creepier.

Neo-Luddite
August 11, 2008, 10:53 AM
Ammo in the trunk on a hot day.

Zwetschgen
August 11, 2008, 10:57 AM
I've got a few:

Bump firing my SKS, if I wasn't prepared for that, it might not be good, could drop the rifle, then what? Tuck and roll.

How about delayed firings? Pull the trigger and click... What if it decides to go boom in the next ten minutes... or should I remove the round... Creepy!

Also, what if I got a bad batch of over powerful ammunition and it destroys the chamber and I take it in the face...

Also, fear that I'l end up making a mistake and getting a hole in the house, car, me... Then we might have a lack of gun situation... So, obviously all of these (well most of them) are pretty irrational, so it keeps me in check.

highorder
August 11, 2008, 10:58 AM
Several years ago, a few of us were cleaning up the local range in Douglas AZ. Trash was being burned in a "ventilated" 55-gallon drum. A discarded .22 round went off and happened to be pointed toward one of the holes in the drum. The bullet struck a member of the clean-up party in the leg. It failed to penetrate his jeans and barely raised a welt.


while cleaning up deer camp nearly a decade ago, a .22lr got raked into the fire and cooked off. The brass opened up like popped popcorn and hit my dad in the thumb, splitting it open a bit.

Mp7
August 11, 2008, 10:58 AM
leaving the stove on, when leaving the house....
..no matter what gun carried :-)

Drgong
August 11, 2008, 12:00 PM
That my friends don't follow the four safety rules. Heck, my best friend was looking over my nagant revolver, I go to the bathroom and here he is looking right down the barrel, after a shutter I quickly feild stripped the thing and let him look at the barrel all he wanted. Yes, it was unloaded but just seeing that freaked me out.

jackstinson
August 11, 2008, 12:56 PM
A discarded .22 round went off and happened to be pointed toward one of the holes in the drum.
That reminds me of the MythBusters episode where they used a .22LR round as a car fuse.

crew590
August 11, 2008, 01:17 PM
I have to admit that I have had a couple of fears. One is when I first started carrying that a round in the chamber would 'just go off' so for the first couple days I carried without on in the chamber. :o Shortly after, I realized that it was kind of ridiculous. I now carry one in chamber.

Another I have had is dropping a revolver on the hammer with a round underneath. Unfortunately, this became a reality for me. :eek: Luckily though the revolver had a transfer bar. I fumbled a draw (trying to set it on the desk) and it landed on the hammer on a wooden floor muzzle pointing straight at my head. :what: I must say my heart rate was very elevated for awhile.

Jay

Crunker1337
August 11, 2008, 01:24 PM
I have the quite rational fear that I'll try to get a friend or someone into firearms... and they'll break one of the four rules.

Aside from that... carrying firearms with a round chambered and a safety device disengaged by pulling the trigger and nothing else, to me, seems dangerous.
I no like GLOCKs for this reason... :(

Rule556
August 11, 2008, 03:30 PM
I hate misfires. No matter how long I leave the faulty cartridge in the chamber, I always think it'll go off as soon as I cycle it out of the weapon.

That's mainly why I stopped shooting Pakistani ammo in my Enfield.

Titan6
August 11, 2008, 03:33 PM
ummmm no.

cpttango30
August 11, 2008, 05:32 PM
I hate misfires. No matter how long I leave the faulty cartridge in the chamber, I always think it'll go off as soon as I cycle it out of the weapon.


Thats abotu the only thing that scares me.

DWARREN123
August 11, 2008, 05:51 PM
Being on the wrong end of a firearm.

Claymore1500
August 11, 2008, 05:53 PM
I have only one that I am aware of, It happened to me once, and I can only hope it was the last time.

The drive from my house to the range takes about 45 minutes, I was taking a friend to the range to help her learn to shoot, When we got there I realized " I had all of the guns, but NO ammunition" It was back at the house. (BUMMER)

goerz
August 11, 2008, 06:19 PM
I don't know if you'd call it irrational but I fear lowering the hammer over a live round on DA pistol designs that don't have a decock lever, in fact I've never tried it.

I fear that, when lowering the hammer on a live round, the pistol would fire and the slide would injure my hand. This doesn't prevent me from doing it for practice, though.
I also fear that, when shooting reloaded rounds, even if I try to be very careful when reloading, something goes wrong and the pistol would explode in my face. I'm a bit anxious for the first 15 rounds or so (this makes my fear irrational, since the chance of an accident do not decrease with the number of rounds being shot).
Regards,
Goerz

robert garner
August 11, 2008, 07:33 PM
Let me see if I can get a concensus, will a simple majority rule?
robert

daniel1113
August 11, 2008, 09:49 PM
I can't decide if it is irrational or just good practice, but whenever I leave a loaded gun sitting on my table, I always go out of my way not to walk in front of the barrel. The logical side of me realizes that a gun will not fire on its own while sitting on a table, but I still avoid it, even though I am the only one home.

NAK
August 11, 2008, 10:18 PM
I'd like to talk for a bit about some of the irrational fears some of us shooters have about firearms.



I have a (mostly) irrational fear of killing myself and/or my downstairs neighbor. The floors are thin...I'm not talking ND, I'm worried about structural collapse from the excessive weight in my closet.:evil:

On a slightly more serious note, I have never been able to shake a fear of that first shot fired out of any gun that I have not personally field stripped and then reassembled.

Dookie
August 11, 2008, 11:19 PM
I can't decide if it is irrational or just good practice, but whenever I leave a loaded gun sitting on my table, I always go out of my way not to walk in front of the barrel. The logical side of me realizes that a gun will not fire on its own while sitting on a table, but I still avoid it, even though I am the only one home.Not irrational, I do the same. I do it because I know that the firearm was built by a human and humans are very imperfect, and that could cause a part to malfunction. The chances of that happening, pretty low. But it can. It could be a playoff gun.

Not irrational but one that scares the crap outa me. ME screwing up and hurting someone because of negligence.

Thumper5
August 11, 2008, 11:31 PM
Can't bring myself to carry a Glock. For some reason I just don't feel comfortable with the trigger. Seems like its way to easy to fire. Silly, I know.

Intrepid Dad
August 12, 2008, 01:35 PM
Thumper 5 said:

Can't bring myself to carry a Glock. For some reason I just don't feel comfortable with the trigger. Seems like its way to easy to fire. Silly, I know.

If it's silly then I share that concern. I bought my Springfield XD in part because it has a grip safety. I know many people carry a Glock, but for me it seems more risky without the grip safety.

Drgong
August 12, 2008, 01:37 PM
I understand the want to not have too many safeties, but I also agree that I don't feel confortable just with a "Glock Safety" on a autoloader. the XD is a better safety setup.

ColinthePilot
August 12, 2008, 01:44 PM
I worry about things that go bump in the night. I worry more about incorrectly identifying the bumps and shooting a good guy. Like, if my roommate and I both hear the bump and I catch a load of buckshot while I'm pumping him full of 9mm. Turns out to be the dishwasher.

Black Majik
August 12, 2008, 02:33 PM
Can't bring myself to carry a Glock. For some reason I just don't feel comfortable with the trigger. Seems like its way to easy to fire. Silly, I know.

+1 to this. I jokingly badger people that aren't comfortable carrying a 1911 cocked and locked.. but I can't bring myself to carry a Glock.

If there isn't a manual thumb safety on the gun, then it's DA/SA for me... even though I don't particularly like the action.

otcconan
August 12, 2008, 07:02 PM
Hmm. My only irrational fear in regards to guns is that I might not dispatch the goblin breaking down my front door with one shot. I'd rather not spend any more money on ammo killing those dirtbags than I really have to.

Rachen
August 12, 2008, 07:23 PM
I have had numerous nightmares about total gun bans being instituted in this country. Irrational? No. It could happen anytime we are silly enough to let our guard down.

Other than that, I never had any "irrational" fears about firearms. I always seen them as protective tools, extremely safe to use, if you know what you are doing.

Cosmoline
August 12, 2008, 07:41 PM
I get real itchy when those less experienced are handling firearms around me. Sweeping me and others, doing unsafe things. I don't worry about dropped rounds at all and don't worry about dropped firearms once I've taken precautions.

TStorm
August 12, 2008, 09:03 PM
Carrying IWB --- front

thinking what happens if that round in the chamber goes off, while a quik draw and squeezing the trigger by mistake to soon!

Thanks! I just got my SmartCarry and I'm trying to work through this! :uhoh: :what:

brockgl
August 12, 2008, 09:23 PM
I occasionally have a nightmare where I'm in a situation where I have to use a gun, and it fires, but has absolutely no effect.

I also have nightmares sometimes that I have to fire my gun, and when I do the bullet comes out at like 2 fps and arcs and falls to the ground with no potency. I have even pressed my gun to the head of the bad-guy in frustration, and when I pull the trigger the bullet just gets lodged in the barrel because it's moving so slowly.

However, my 1911 is in condition 1 at all times, and I have never had any phobias about it at all... The thumb safety on 1911's has a very comforting affect on me. I think it's a genius design.

planetmobius
August 12, 2008, 09:42 PM
Did I put the 22 rounds and the 9 volt batteries in the same pocket?

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