Fraud look out selling 1860 Army


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scrat
August 11, 2008, 12:44 AM
Ok lets get the word out and out quick. We need to post this on all Black Powder forums. Make sure that no one else gets taken by this guy. In short the guy puts out a listing saying he is selling an 1860 Army. Says how his wife posted it for sale he did too and they had sellers one did not pay the other paid but he ended up refunding the money. Thats how it starts. Well he has sold this same gun to over 4 people now. Every one of them sends him money and never sees anything else.

here is the link from Cal Guns
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=114779

here is another on gunboards
http://forums.gunboards.com/archive/index.php?t-54941.html

he goes by user name

king ken 40
King of world 40

is name is Ken Phillips. Lives in the San Diego area. If you see or here anything about this guy selling an 1860 Army Dont go near it with a ten foot pole.

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john917v
August 11, 2008, 01:00 AM
Thanks for letting others know about this. This is highroadly. I don't buy blackpowder guns, but I appreciate the heads up!!

John Fugate
August 11, 2008, 02:30 AM
I bought a 1100 remington on the internet that the gentleman has sold 17 times over in a three day time frame. I paid 550.00 for the gun as did 16 other people. It was probably the most a Remington 1100 ever brought on the internet. I think the guy got around 9400.00 for the gun total and 5 years in the joint.
John

scrat
August 11, 2008, 01:01 PM
ouch

Smokin_Gun
August 11, 2008, 01:16 PM
Hey Scrat where ya been, had hot coffee and a campfire log awaitin' for you. Along with the others of the Roost.
Did you get a chance to read up on them threads to see, well I'll jus' say to see?

Laters's Scrat,

SG

scrat
August 11, 2008, 01:42 PM
hardly had the time. ya im on my second cup. Same time im trying to get caught up on the stuff i have to do tomorrow for work. Then trying to set up a few meetings for the rest of the week. looks like i will do some more reading and posting this afternoon

Smokin_Gun
August 11, 2008, 02:49 PM
Dang Scrat, work tomorrow...HeeHeeHee!
Alright will take the pot off the fire...catch up with ya later.

SG

Rachen
August 12, 2008, 02:48 PM
Thanks for posting this warning. I hope nobody else would fall victim to this.

I just can't believe there are people like that in our own community.:cuss:

omarkw11@gmail.com
August 12, 2008, 05:33 PM
rachen, those "people" are not part of our community, just liars, cheats and scum, as you know.

Jim K
August 12, 2008, 06:49 PM
Just one more reason not to buy "on the net." If I can't see it, and can't hold it, I don't want it.

(Sort of like getting married, I guess.)

Jim

Rachen
August 12, 2008, 06:57 PM
rachen, those "people" are not part of our community, just liars, cheats and scum, as you know.

Thats why we must always be vigilant, at all times, the same way we must always be vigilant of those pricks seeking to strip us of our 2nd Amendment rights.

ants
August 12, 2008, 06:58 PM
Most likely the 1860 Army (and the Rem 1100 shotgun) never did exist. All just a scam.

If you really want something valuable on an internet auction, consider the Escrow service provided by many auction sites. The scammers will flee when you suggest escrow.

PRM
August 12, 2008, 07:55 PM
I've bought and sold a numbers of guns over the net. Ninety-Nine percent of the transactions have been above board. Mostly Second and Third Generation C&B Colts (NIB). Most of the sellers have been above board and I have had a couple offer my money back if I was not satisfied. The one transaction that went bad was a #2 S&W - antique, engraved, ivory grips, cherry case, ivory tipped ram-rod, and a box of original cartridges. The gun was advertised as being mint prior to the custom work being done on it and was "as new" in condition. When it came in I noticed the action was stiff, just wasn't right. I sent it to a specialist on vintage S&Ws and was told the sleeve that is threaded and is pressed into the cylinder was broke and binding. The seller refused to do anything about it and accused me of breaking it. Long story - it cost me an additional $500 to have it repaired. The original engraver who was also involved in the restoration told me the gun was broke when he did the initial engraving and that the owner (guy, who sold it to me) knew it was broke and said he wanted it for a show piece. I will probably get my money back out of it - and it will be as close to 100% as possible and accurately listed when it is sold the next time. But, I had to eat the additional cost on the front end. I filed a complaint with the on-line site that the gun was bought through and was told they did not take sides in a transaction. The seller also terminated the listing as expired instead of sold and got out of paying their commission. Along with me, he essentially ripped off the listing site. They obviously do not care since the seller is still listing guns with them.


Internet Sales:

Most are legit - but you can get burned

On most guns it would cost you more to go to another state and pursue any legal recourse than you will gain.

On high dollar guns, use a third party. Have it sent to a reputable source to be checked out. Once you get the OK - then transfer funds. If the seller is not willing to do that, you got a red flag.

sundance44s
August 13, 2008, 07:17 AM
I`ve always had good dealings off Gunbroker ..Guns bought were uasually better than pictured for the price ..One thing I do though ..I always check the sellers feed back before I ever bid ..if he has only sold one or two I stay away ..most sellers have plenty of feed back .

PRM
August 13, 2008, 09:41 AM
Ditto Gun Broker - it is one of the best - Always had good luck with them

Feedback is a good indicator - although not related to gun sales, and prohibited on their site, I have had vendors provide info for a feedback check off of ebay. You got someone who has a large number of positive scores - that goes a long way.

scrat
August 13, 2008, 02:18 PM
i have bought 3 revolvers from people on the internet. 2 of them from THR members one on gunbroker. a lot of people do. I would just say that you need to be careful with new members. i have also had a holster made by big bad guns. he does excellent work. its scumbags like this though that we have to watch out for. pretty bad. messes up everything for everyone. i hope they catch this guy and put him where he belongs.

JACK STEELE
August 13, 2008, 02:41 PM
Bigbadgun is a really great guy to do business with.I bought his walker from him and it was everything he said it was and more. I would reccomend him to anybody.

TAB
August 13, 2008, 03:09 PM
I`ve always had good dealings off Gunbroker ..Guns bought were uasually better than pictured for the price ..One thing I do though ..I always check the sellers feed back before I ever bid ..if he has only sold one or two I stay away ..most sellers have plenty of feed back .

if every one did that, there would be no new sellers.

scrat
August 13, 2008, 07:28 PM
i think it depends on what they are selling new sellers need to sell low priced items and work there way up. no one is going to want to buy a 400 dollar gun from someone with only 2 feed backs. We all need to be cautious on how we controll our money.

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