[Harley Man]

I have a 1911 45 ACP, but for the life of me I cannot bring myself to wear it "COCKED & LOCKED"! It just makes me nervious. I've dry fired it from a SOB position cocked it and fired. It just doesn't take that long plus you don't have to mess with the safety, so what is the advantage of cocking and Locking when you have to remove the safery anyway to shoot. The trade off is the safety.

[Black Majik]

Honestly, all I can advise is training. It's a mental block that you'll have to overcome. Carry around the house with an EMPTY chamber cocked and locked, at the end of the day, as the safety snicked off, and the hammer dropped? Also, even if the safety snicks off, with a proper holster covering the triggerguard the trigger won't pull itself. On top of this, the hammer won't fall with the trigger pulled unless the grip safety is depressed.

That exposed cocked hammer might look intimidating, but it's no more safe, or dangerous than a Glock, XD, P99 or any other striker fired weapons out there. The biggest safety is the one between your ears.

Lastly, carry a different weapon and/or platform until you can feel confident carry cocked and locked, like a 1911 should be carried.

Good luck

[Treo]

I think the OP is talking about carrying in condition 2 which I would think wouldn't be an issue W/ a modern firearm W/ a firing pin block.

Before Johnny Guest locks this thread, because we've had 3 just like it in a week (search is our friend) let me give you a synapsis of what you're about to hear;

The overwhelming majority of respondants are going to be 1911 guy who are going to tell you that "Gawd & John Moses Browning intended that gun to be carried cocked and locked".

Then you're going to get the condition three crowd who swear that you'll have eneough time to rack the slide ( I can tell you from personal exprience, you won't .) and besides you'll probably never need the gun anyway ( again personal experience dictates a different answer).

Both Groups are going to tell you that condition 2 carry isn't safe.

Then they'll get in an argument.

Somebody is going to suggest a DA/SA , DAO or revolver to you.

And somebody's going to tell you to get a GLOCK.

Then the thread will get locked

[Black Majik]

Then we'll just have to keep this discussion civil. :D

To the OP, the problem with condition 2 carry: loaded chamber, hammer down, safety off, is that you bypass all safety features on the 1911 to lower that hammer on a round in the chamber. Well, that's just not a safe procedure, especially with one in the pipe.

I sadly fall into the "condition 1 is the only way to go" crowd.

[the naked prophet]

Trying to safely lower the hammer on a 1911 will get you a negligent discharge one of these times. The 1911 is one of the least safe guns to carry with a round in the chamber and the hammer down.

You may feel more comfortable with a holster that has a leather strap passing between the hammer and the slide. If the hammer were to accidentally fall due to some mechanical failure, the leather would prevent it from hitting the firing pin. This may be a step towards making you more comfortable carrying C&L.

[Harley Man]

I guess when you think about it when I carry my Springfield Sub Compact XD-9.....It's like cocked and locked!
Thanks for the reply's everyone

[Mainsail]

The biggest problem of carrying with the hammer down on a live round is getting the hammer down on a live round safely.

JMHO

[Black Majik]

I guess when you think about it when I carry my Springfield Sub Compact XD-9.....It's like cocked and locked!
Thanks for the reply's everyone

Actually, when you think about it, the SA XD is cocked and UNlocked! :eek:

It has a single action trigger, grip safety but no thumb safety.

[Harley Man]

Point taken Black Majik....Well I sure don't have a problem carring the XD....
This is why I like this web site people with experience sharing knowledge...I now have my 45 on my hip has I write this....COCKED AND LOCKED!

[Black Majik]

Awesome. You were easy to convert. :evil:

[Maelstrom]

Trying to safely lower the hammer on a 1911 will get you a negligent discharge one of these times. The 1911 is one of the least safe guns to carry with a round in the chamber and the hammer down.

The nastiest part about that is where your thumb would be when the gun went off.

Right behind the slide.

[Guns and more]

I have a 1911 45 ACP, but for the life of me I cannot bring myself to wear it "COCKED & LOCKED"! It just makes me nervious. I've dry fired it from a SOB position cocked it and fired. It just doesn't take that long plus you don't have to mess with the safety, so what is the advantage of cocking and Locking when you have to remove the safery anyway to shoot. The trade off is the safety.
A 1911 with the hammer down can fire on a loaded chamber if the hammer would receive a blow such as a trip and fall, or some kind of accident. So you're giving up one part of safety. I felt better about "Cocked and Locked" when I got a holster with a thumb break, and the retention strap went between the hammer and the back of the slide. If the hammer were to fall (and I don't see how it could) it would only fall on the strap. When drawing you simply push the snap sideways with your thumb as you draw from the holster.

[Drgong]

I own a similar gun (BHP) and I recently converted from a Condition 3 to condition 1 person.

[Fozzy_Bear]

Harley Man,
Don't worry. Condition 1 is the way to go.

Treo,
awesome post. you should put that into it's own thread so we can get it stickied.

[mattk]

With a gun like a 1911 or BHP you do have to practice removing the safety as you bring the gun up.
I shoot with my thumb on top of the safety. I learned this at USPSA matches and it has served me extremely well.
I am as fast with a SAO thumb safety gun as I am with a Glock or XD>

[littlelefty]

I can relate to the OP. It took me a little while of seeing the hammer back before I got comfortable. I was more nervous getting into condition 1 than actually being there, since I have to go to condition 0 prior to engaging the safety. I kept thinking something like, "all it takes is for me to lose focus for a split second, place my finger on the trigger (a cardinal violation I know), and there's no turning back". The key for me is that the stuff remaining between my ears that dictates the actions of my trigger finger is the best and most crucial safety.
After a year or so of range trips, practicing going into condition 1 with a good backstop helped me build confidence in myself. Now it's the only way I carry my 1911 and have it in the dresser drawer

Again, for me it was just the site of the hammer. Kind of wierd maybe, especially since I had no problem chambering a round in my kel tec. Yes, a long hard dao trigger, but with no external safety, all it takes is a squeeze, and bang.

[Phil DeGraves]

A 1911 with the hammer down can fire on a loaded chamber if the hammer would receive a blow such as a trip and fall, or some kind of accident.

Only with "70 Series" designs. Even then, you need to drop the gun on its muzzle from about thirty feet.

The Series 80 systems do not have that problem as they have an integral firing pin block.

[sevin8nin]

I'm a condition 1 person for sure. But when I first got my 1911 I found myself 'decocking' it for certain situations, like long drives, or prolonged periods of sitting. I guess I was just concerned the hammer would fall some how.

Then I went and detail stripped my 1911 and read a bunch on how it operates and what factors it would ACTUALLY take for the hammer to fall.

I've even inadvertently carried my 1911 around with the hammer cocked and the safety off, nothing happened.

Just like mattk I learned to keep my thumb on top of the safety when shooting my 1911. I trained for this grip style, and now, whenever I pick up a 1911, or any gun for that matter, my thumb is looking to rest on top of a thumb safety. For guns like my px4, or an XD or Glock, this sucks because I usually end up holding the slide stop down.

I prefer the crisp single action of a 1911, and how easy it is to go from safe to fire, so I prefer to carry a 1911. There are other weapons that utilize a thumb style safety that i'd be comfortable carrying as well.

[45crittergitter]

Two points:

1. Letting the hammer down on a loaded 1911 is not nearly as dangerous as some here say it is - one only has to do it right. I won't tell you how, because I don't recommend doing it.

2. Do you hunt with a bolt action, pump, or auto rifle or shotgun with a round in the chamber? Pretty much the same thing.

Me, I just always use a holster with a thumb break as was previously suggested. I also have it (IWB) with snap belt loops so I can easily remove the whole thing without ever having the thumb break leave the hammer.

[Gordon Fink]

What was the half-cock notch for again?

~G. Fink

[Jim Watson]

The half cock notch holds the cylinder bolt retracted so you can open the loading gate and roll the cylinder to load, unload, or reload.

Oh, you mean on an automatic.

The usual excuse is that it is there to catch the hammer if it falls off of full cock somehow.
It is not for routine carry, Mike Hammer and Betsey notwithstanding.

I abused a 1911 by dropping it from head height on a vinyl tile floor with a primed case in the chamber under various "Conditions". No "POP!", barely a mark. I quit worrying about it.

[Gordon Fink]

I’m having a little fun here, so don’t be alarmed.

I always get a kick out of those who claim that J. M. Browning intended the m1911 pistol to be carried cocked and locked. To me, it’s obvious that he designed the pistol to be carried unloaded or (for those who insisted on it) loaded with hammer down. The military holsters of the day really weren’t suitable for anything else.

Therefore, the half-cock notch existed to help prevent an unintentional discharge while the hammer was being lowered or cocked over a loaded chamber. The thumb safety was there for when the pistol couldn’t be properly unloaded or decocked. This seems clear to me, but I would love to see citations that prove otherwise.

That said, in modern holsters, a 1911-style pistol can be carried very safely while cocked and locked.

~G. Fink

[M1911]

I have a 1911 45 ACP, but for the life of me I cannot bring myself to wear it "COCKED & LOCKED"! It just makes me nervious.Empty the gun. Check that it is empty. Now holster it and wear it around the house for a week. At the end of a week, you'll find that the hammer still hasn't fallen.

I've dry fired it from a SOB position cocked it and fired. It just doesn't take that long plus you don't have to mess with the safety, so what is the advantage of cocking and Locking when you have to remove the safery anyway to shoot. The trade off is the safety.:cuss::banghead::cuss::banghead:

Let me get this straight. You are afraid of the hammer falling by itself somehow, but you are not afraid of thumbing down the hammer on a loaded chamber? :cuss::cuss::banghead::banghead:

Lowering the safety is faster and easier than cocking the hammer, particularly when you only have one hand available. Cocking the hammer is particularly difficult with one hand and a beavertail safety.

Please go get some training at a place like Gunsite. Or go buy yourself a striker fired gun like a Glock or DA/SA gun like a Sig.

[Geronimo45]

Carry it howsoever you please, it's your gun. Carry it cocked with the safety off, cocked and locked on an empty chamber, hammer down on a loaded chamber, hammer down on an empty chamber... but keep in mind, all the cool kids carry cocked and locked on a loaded chamber. :p

I believe the cavalry originally carried the thing in condition 2, back when cavalry rode horses. Safety was during a fight, when the horses were going berserk.

Hammer-cocking is much easier to do with a spur hammer instead of the rowell/ring hammers many newer 1911s have, BTW.

[fletcher]

It's a mental block that you'll have to overcome.
+1. I was very reluctant to get a 1911 because of this, but I just accepted that it's a proven and reliable device and did it because I liked everything else about the gun - it's just something you get used to.

what is the advantage of cocking and Locking when you have to remove the safery anyway to shoot.
Consistent, short trigger pull.

[Vern Humphrey]

it’s obvious that he designed the pistol to be carried unloaded or (for those who insisted on it) loaded with hammer down.
Browning designed the M1911 to meet the Army's requirements. The Army demanded both the grip safety and the safety lock -- which JMB did not include in his original design.

The M1911 was a cavalry weapon, when horse cavalry was a serious arm. The Army wanted a pistol that could be rendered safe by a cavalryman on an excited and possibly wounded horse.

The Army preferred method of carry was Condition 3 (chamber empty, with a loaded magazine) but Condition 1 was authorized when use was likely but not immediate.

The military holsters of the day really weren’t suitable for anything else.

Every holster I've had for the .45, including all those I was issued in 22+ years of service, will accept a cocked and locked M1911.

[Gordon Fink]

Vern, thank you for your service. How much of it was between 1911 and 1956? :neener:

I’m just kidding you. However, your point about the Army’s requirements does reinforce what I was trying to say. Did J. M. Browning intend for the m1911 to be carried cocked and unlocked? I don’t think so.

I know these guns can be carried safely in “condition one,” but I find the modern assertions about Browning’s design intentions rather amusing when the mechanism of the pistol seems to say something else. I think it’s more a case of us forcing his design to meet our needs than of matching our techniques to his gun.

~G. Fink

[Vern Humphrey]

FM 25-35, AUTOMATIC PISTOL CALIBER .45 M1911 AND M1911A1 , 1940, clearly states the pistol is to be carried either in Condition 3 or Condition 1.

What Browning intended is immaterial -- he designed the gun to meet the Army's requirements.

[Vern Humphrey]

Here's a direct quote from FM 25-35:

l. In campaign, when early use of the pistol is not foreseen, it should be carried with a fully loaded magazine in the socket, chamber empty, hammer down. When early use of the pistol is probable, It should be carried loaded and locked in the holster or hand. In campaign, extra magazines should be carried fully loaded.

(My emphasis)

[Maelstrom]

If I may make a suggestion. Instead of carrying it cocked and locked, have you tried carrying locked and cocked? You may find it relieves some anxiety while still keeping the pistol ready.

[Vern Humphrey]

If I may make a suggestion. Instead of carrying it cocked and locked, have you tried carrying locked and cocked?
You have to cock it before you can lock it.

[gun4funtime]

I might as well chime in?

It is your gun, carry how you are comfortable. but, go practice with it, at the range live ammo, dry fire is good at home but range time will give you a true feel for it.
Just make sure to stay safe. Find a good instructor to watch and help with safe presentation and shot placement.
Try different carry conditions,,you may find something you really like and works well for you.
have fun, be safe, go shooting.

[Stradawhovious]

I carry a 1911 daily, and for about a week had the same "cocked and locked" issue. To get over my ineasiness with cocked and locked, I carried strongside in a Galco holster where the retention strap was between the hammer and the pin. After my brain processed the fact that you have to A. release the thumb safety B. engage the grip safety and C. pull the trigger in order to fire the weapon, I now have no issues with carrying cocked and locked. Also, think about the ramifications of NOT carrying a SAO pistol cocked and locked....... The time it would take to fumble the hammer back in an aggravated situation.......or worse, trying to hastily feed a round into the chamber and turning your weapon into a rock with a ftf or other malfunction.

[Larry E]

For a trigger block 1911 design that's in condition 1 to fire the grip safety has to be depressed, the trigger has to be depressed, and the manual safety has to be placed in the fire position. Unless magic somehow happens the only way all three of those can happen is if the pistol is being gripped ready to fire, the manual safety released, and the trigger squeezed.

Lowering the hammer on a loaded chamber in a 1911 makes me a LOT more nervous than condition 1 carry.

[JohnnyOrygun]

I agree that Cocked & Locked is the only way to carry a 1911. It seems I read somewhere that racking the slide in a "situation" could be construed as an aggressive action, not sure if that is technically correct, but it does make sense to me. The only thing that makes me wonder is the the Israeli Army carries loaded gun empty chamber, but again that is something I read and it might not be correct.

It seems to me that my SA 1911 has a titanium firing pin and that somehow that helps prevent an accidental discharge if you drop your gun, since the gun is on California's approved list it has to be drop safe. Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't a titanium firing pin work to prevent accidental discharges if the gun is dropped because it's lighter and won't have enough inertia if dropped? I know that is off the subject of the OP, but some have mentioned that.


Anyhow that is my .02

"Little" John

[rondog]

Chriss Angel could make one fire without even TOUCHING it! 'Cause he's a MINDFREAK!:neener:

[AndyC]

It seems to me that my SA 1911 has a titanium firing pin and that somehow that helps prevent an accidental discharge if you drop your gun, since the gun is on California's approved list it has to be drop safe. Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't a titanium firing pin work to prevent accidental discharges if the gun is dropped because it's lighter and won't have enough inertia if dropped? I know that is off the subject of the OP, but some have mentioned that.
Titanium has less mass than steel, so it will be more difficult for it to overcome the strength of the firing-pin spring if the pistol is dropped onto its muzzle - and even if it does, it will strike the primer a lot lighter (less momentum) than an equivalent steel firing-pin.

[kcshooter]

1911 with the hammer down can fire on a loaded chamber if the hammer would receive a blow such as a trip and fallThis is unlikely, but the risk is the same for condition 2 and 1 here. It isn't the hammer on the back of the slide, it's the inertia of the firing pin. The danger in cond 2 is the cocking and especially the lowering of the hammer onto a live round. It isn't all that much of a concern as long as you are careful.

For carry, the concern is the ability to be ready to fire that gun in time when attacked. When in condition 2, you have to cock the hammer manually, which may prove much more difficult in a stress situation than in your living room.

[dmazur]

For some real confusion, check out Galco's latest catalog (#35).

On page 5, they show their famous "Miami Vice" shoulder holster with a 1911 in Condition 3. (well, we assume it's not Condition 2...)

On page 8, there is another 1911 in a "Jackass" shoulder rig, also Condition 3.

On page 12, there is another 1911 in an open top "Combat Master" OWB, Condition 3. On the bottom of the same page is the open top "Avenger", with a 1911 in Condition 1.

On page 14, the top holster has a safety strap in Condition 3, bottom holster is open top in Condition 1.

Then on the next page, the "Yaqui Slide" and "Jak Slide", both Condition 1.

Same on the next page (16), with a notable "Training Holster" for "..heavy use with full-sized pistols in defensive handgun courses,..." Condition 1.

On page 66 (Information), there is this interesting note:

CARRY "CONDITION" OF FIREARM

Carrying any handgun with a live cartridge in the chamber immediately in front of the firing pin may cause an accidental discharge. Single action revolvers and some semi-automatic pistols should be carried with the hammer or firing pin resting on an empty chamber. All Galco holsters for the 1911 model/style firearm with safety straps and thumb breaks are designed to carry the 1911 in the "hammer down, chamber empty condition". Galco holsters that are "open top" (no safety strap and no thumb break) are designed to carry 1911's in all safe "conditions of carry" as specified by the firearm manufacturer.

Now, using a different resource, the Colt Safety and Instruction Manual for the MkIV/Series 80 & 90 Pistols:

CARRYING MODES

NOTE: This pistol may be carried in any one of the following three modes depending on your needs:


Mode 1 - MAGAZINE EMPTY, CHAMBER EMPTY
Pistol cannot be discharged. Use Mode 1 for storage, transporting, cleaning, repair, demonstrating and dry practice.
Mode 2 - MAGAZINE LOADED, CHAMBER EMPTY, HAMMER DOWN
Pistol cannot be fired until slide is cycled and trigger is squeezed. Use Mode 2 when carrying the pistol ready for use.
Mode 3 - MAGAZINE LOADED, CHAMBER LOADED, HAMMER COCKED, SAFETY ON
Pistol can be fired when slide lock safety is off and trigger is squeezed. Use Mode 3 when you must be prepared to use the pistol immediately without warning.


Also from the Colt Safety and Instruction Manual:

CAUTION: DO NOT CARRY YOUR PISTOL WITH THE HAMMER DOWN ON A LIVE CARTRIDGE. To do so means you must lower the hammer. To lower the hammer, you must squeeze the trigger. When you squeeze the trigger you disengage the firing pin lock. This is not a safe condition. Instead, we urge you to follow the instructions in this manual. When you do so, you can enjoy the safe use of your pistol.

So, some manufacturers are nervous about saying that their products are designed for Condition 1 carry (referring you to the manufacturer), or come right out and say that the thumb strap models are designed for Condition 3 only.

And, Colt says the pistol can be carried according to your needs, including Mode 3 (which is Condition 1).

Confused yet?

The best thing was the Galco NRA pamphlet that was included with the holster...it shows the Statue of Liberty wearing a Miami Vice rig with a very nice 1911. In Condition 1. Apparently she didn't read the instructions. :)

[Maelstrom]

You have to cock it before you can lock it.

I was just kidding. KnowhutImean, Vern?

[Hammer-52]

HarleyMan,
If your really concerned about "cocked & locked" check out Cylinder & Slide." They make a kit for 1911 called the "1911 Safety Fast Shooting Kit" which allows you to "drop" the hammer like a DAO. I've not tried one YET but from the various reviews it is dependable & recommended for folks that are uncomfortable with "cocked & locked".
Enjoy

[orionengnr]

I guess a lot of you missed post #9 (August 11), wherein the OP states that he has gotten over it and is carrying C&L.

Read.
Think.
Post.

It's not that difficult. Really. :rolleyes:

[mljdeckard]

I rolled my eyes at the Galco warnings, when I carry my 1911 in the Miami Classic, it's always condition 1. Some retained ambulance chaser advised Galco to limit their liability in the event of an AD by including a butt-cover. (It seems to fit better with the hammer cocked anyway.)

You shouldn't carry in any way that gives you the willies. These guys have suggested some good ways to get over the willies. (Particularly by trying carrying it cocked and empty for a few days.) I just explained all of this to my dad, he was slow to come around, but he's getting it.

[Claude Clay]

the very action of charging the 1911 introduces the possibility of a miss feed three different ways. why risk it? practice till you are comfortable or colt made a double eagle in 5" and commander size. a mite pricey but it has a decocker. other makers (para) side step the issue in other ways.

[RONSTAR]

IMHO if you dont feel comfortable carrying a 1911 in condition one you should put it back in your safe and grab something you do feel comfortable having in condition one. I recently decided I didnt want to fumble with safties and started carrying a glock again I like the draw point shoot capability.

[Treo]

Originally posted by the O.P. almost two months ago.

I now have my 45 on my hip has I write this....COCKED AND LOCKED!

No pulse
No Respirations
Pupils fixed and dialated
Obvious morbid lividity
Rigor has set in
Fish bites

Yup, this thread died a looooong time ago.

[Vern Humphrey]

If your really concerned about "cocked & locked" check out Cylinder & Slide." They make a kit for 1911 called the "1911 Safety Fast Shooting Kit" which allows you to "drop" the hammer like a DAO
I have not handled the Cylinder and Slide version, but I have handled several other conversions like that.

The problem is, the M1911 was never designed for hammer dropping without firing. The firing pin is still there, unimpeded, and if anything goes wrong, you get an ND.

Cocked and locked is proven safe. Why not use the gun as it was designed to be used?

[kcshooter]

The problem is, the M1911 was never designed for hammer dropping without firing. The firing pin is still there, unimpeded, and if anything goes wrong, you get an ND.Again, the firing pin doesn't know the difference between a hammer down or hammer up. It isn't the hammer that is a concern, it's inertia overcoming the FP spring. The hammer has no effect on this while being carried in condition 2. Lots of people have lowered the hammer on a live round for many years without incident.

The real problem with condition two is getting it into a ready position quickly. Chances are, if you need your gun, you need it NOW!

[CWL]

It's your gun, keep it the way you feel safe.

You can also get a ParaOrdnance LDA M1911 for safe carry with hammer down/bullet chambered.

The good thing about gun ownership in the USA is that there are lots of choices!

[Vern Humphrey]

Again, the firing pin doesn't know the difference between a hammer down or hammer up. It isn't the hammer that is a concern, it's inertia overcoming the FP spring. The hammer has no effect on this while being carried in condition 2. Lots of people have lowered the hammer on a live round for many years without incident.

I know of at least two accidents with condition 2. The problem with hammer-dropping systems is that the M1911 has no way to take the firing pin out of the loop. A slip can cause an ND.

[NonConformist]

Its one of the safest guns to carry in the world

Not only does it have a grip safety, it has a manual safety, both which have to be engaged(or disengaged as it were) for it to fire, and then you still have to pull the trigger

[kcshooter]

I know of at least two accidents with condition 2. The problem with hammer-dropping systems is that the M1911 has no way to take the firing pin out of the loop. A slip can cause an ND.And carelessness caused the slip. So the real culprit of these ND is carelessness, not a flaw in the gun's design, nor an "accident".

[Vern Humphrey]

And carelessness caused the slip. So the real culprit of these ND is carelessness, not a flaw in the gun's design, nor an "accident".

The carelessness is in not following standard Army practice, which is to carry in Conditions 3 or 1, only.

Now back to my original point -- the M1911 has no means of taking the firing pin out of the loop. Therefore hammer-dropping modifications are inherently risky.

[Vern Humphrey]

Its one of the safest guns to carry in the world

Not only does it have a grip safety, it has a manual safety, both which have to be engaged(or disengaged as it were) for it to fire, and then you still have to pull the trigger

And yet people who think nothing of carrying a Ruger .22 Automatic, or a Browning Buckmark with one up the spout consider Condition 1 with the M1911 to be "dangerous."

There are lots and lots of automatic pistols (such as the two examples I gave above) that are carried on Condition 1 without a grip safety, and the viewers-with-alarm think nothing of it because they can't see the cocked hammers.

[the foot]

Cocked and Locked is safe; problems arise with inexperience or lack of practice or unsafe practices by the weapon's operator.

[kcshooter]

The carelessness is in not following standard Army practice, which is to carry in Conditions 3 or 1, only.So you're saying anyone who carries in Condition 2 is automatically careless?

Good to know.



(Puh-lease!)



BTW, I still wouldn't carry in Cond. 2 or 3, but it isn't a safety issue, it's an expediency issue.

And yet people who think nothing of carrying a Ruger .22 Automatic, or a Browning Buckmark with one up the spout consider Condition 1 with the M1911 to be "dangerous."Yeah, lots of people carry those guns, too.
Err...wait a minute....

[M1911]

So you're saying anyone who carries in Condition 2 is automatically careless?

Good to know.

(Puh-lease!)It isn't so much the carrying in Condition 2 that worries me. It is getting into condition 2 that worries me. Too easy to slip and mess up.

That aside, I have to question, however, why do you want to carry in condition 2? Lowering the safety is far quicker and easier (particularly with one hand) than cocking the hammer. I see plenty of drawbacks to condition 2 and no advantages.

So why do you want to carry in condition 2?

[kcshooter]

Read again, I don't want to. I carry every one of mine cocked and locked, whether or not they have a firing pin safety system. But I don't think it's very knowledgeable to call it an unsafe condition. It isn't a GOOD idea, but it isn't inherently unsafe, either.

[M1911]

It isn't a GOOD idea, but it isn't inherently unsafe, either.So manually lowering the hammer on a loaded chamber is safe?

Don't slip...

[kcshooter]

So manually lowering the hammer on a loaded chamber is safe?If you know what you're doing, it isn't unsafe.

[orionengnr]

To reiterate:

I guess a lot of you missed post #9 (August 11), two months ago wherein the OP states that he has gotten over it and is carrying C&L.

Read.
Think.
Post.

It's not that difficult. Really. :rolleyes:

Obviously, an awful lot of people skip steps #1 and #2.

[Tacbandit]

Dang.......good shot..........Man it sure got quiet.....