[WonderNine]

Sorry about the thread title, I'm trying to have some humor about this after being angry with myself since it happened.

If I had obeyed the four rules this weekend, this never would have happened. The firearm involved was a Ruger Single Six 5.5" loaded with .22 longs. (not long rifle).

Guns and alcohol don't mix mmmK.

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[Chipperman]

:what:

Glad you're ok.

[WonderNine]

Thanks, me too.

And yes, I'm a moron.

[MagKnightX]

Owies. Well, it's not as bad as it could have been.

I saw pictures of someone who managed to put a hole in themselves with a .45 ACP glock. FMJ, I think. They barely survived. It was during cleaning.

And it looks like you got by with an abrasion/burn, a conversation piece where you used to have a shirt, and a cautionary tale.

[BryanP]

At first glance I didn't realize that was a shirt. I thought it was the crotch of a pair of sweats. :what:

Glad you're OK. So far I have managed to avoid any kind of a ND, but I'm sure that eventually I will have one. The key is whether or not I'm following the 4 rules when it happens.

[ysr_racer]

Guns and alcohol don't mix

Please tell me you weren't stupid enough to drink and handle a firearm? Please.

[WonderNine]

I have a new 5th rule. DO NOT TOUCH FIREARMS WHILE INTOXICATED.

I almost had a ND with a .357 under the same drunken circumstances last year although it was pointed at the wall. Pulled the hammer back and proceeded to pull the trigger (why do we do these idiotic things when we're wasted???) just as I remembered it was loaded. Caught the hammer with my opposite hand thumb, wow I guess I'm fast anyways there was a little dimple in the primer, but not enough to set it off. I fired that round a few days later at the range.

DO NOT TOUCH FIREARMS WHILE INTOXICATED.

[WonderNine]

Please tell me you weren't stupid enough to drink and handle a firearm? Please.

I could do that, but I'd be lieing.....;)

:(

[DMK]

I have a new 5th rule. DO NOT TOUCH FIREARMS WHILE INTOXICATED. Ya, that's a good rule!!

I've got an ex-friend who didn't know that rule. Did I mention the "ex" part? I also have a new rule since then: Don't try to disarm a drunk friend. Depart immediate area quickly and discreetly. Luckily, in my case, no clothing or flesh developed extra holes.

I'm just wondering how in the heck did you end up with a hole there? You weren't trying to do the revolver twirl thing were you?

[Erik Jensen]

if I know I'm going to be drinking, all the ballistic conflict resolution devices either get unloaded, get put in the safe, or both. *beforehand*.

I don't get drunk very often at all (maybe once a year, if that) and I trust myself to not do anything stupid, but you never know what might happen. alchohol=no guns. especially if there's a chance I might have "company" that night. ;-)

[WonderNine]

I'm just wondering how in the heck did you end up with a hole there? You weren't trying to do the revolver twirl thing were you?

Yep :rolleyes:

Twirled it five times real fast, cocked the hammer back and twirled it once more (I would only do something this stupid while drunk believe me) *bang*, I could very well have a hole in my head right now.

[4v50 Gary]

You're one lucky hombre! The first picture caused some concern about the wearer of the shirt and the second was an eye opener!

Concur with your conclusions 100%. Guns and alcohol don't mix. Glad you're OK, sober and smarter.

[C.R.Sam]

Amazing.
Further comment reserved.

Sam

[Iain]

I'd say you were lucky.

I wouldn't take it on faith that luck runs in streaks if I were you.

Glad you are ok.

[SoCalGeek]

Well, the important thing is that nobody was hurt and that you learned from it, i guess. Glad you're okay :)

[gunsmith]

YOU MAY HAVE SAVED A LIFE OR TWO!

I have had 2 ND's and am also lucky I am not dead.
1st one,I had a crappy cheap imitation hi power from bulgaria
(ARCUS 94) I had one in the pipe,hammer back,safety on.
lucky for me it was pointed in a safe direction (my radio)
I barely touched the trigger and!!!BOOM!!
The boom box kept working and my next door neighbor dug an interesting
piece of metal from his wall,lucky for me he is a friendly gunny who wasn't
home at the time.
2nd one was a 32acp Davis derringer that was loaded but on safety
I bumped the dresser it was on top of and it fell on the floor and it fired when it hit the floor!
now that one stays unloaded.
Allmost had one with the glock a while back when I was cleaning it
after a long day at work then going to the range.
I had pressed the mag release,ejected a round and was about to pull
the trigger when I realized that I had not really LOOKED and sure enough!
one in the pipe!
WHEW!!
The GF was home & I would have been in deep with no paddle
I have become anal retentive about all the safety rules

[brownie0486]

No need to expound where others have tread.

Bad ju ju always when guns and booze mix together.

Keep them seperate if you would please. We don't need the anti's having more ammunition against gun owners than we already give them.

Mistakes happen enough while handling dangerous equipment without having alcohol altering our thought processes.

You got lucky, if you learn from this you should consider yourself pretty damned lucky the lesson wasn't more costly.

Brownie

[ysr_racer]

You guys are scaring the crap outta me. You think handling firearms is a joke? Maybe the anti's are right. Maybe everybody shouldn't be able to own a firearm. I know you guys shouldn't.

Please take a look at my pictures. If you ever see me at a range, introduce yourself SO I CAN LEAVE.

[uglymofo]

You think handling firearms is a joke? Maybe the anti's are right. Maybe everybody shouldn't be able to own a firearm. I know you guys shouldn't.

That's a big Yowza. I agree with ysr_racer and CRSam; that's as nicely put as I can make it.

[Carlos Cabeza]

I'm glad nobody was hurt ! I hope you learned something from this, and be VERY thankful that the lesson was at little expense. (this time).
There is a reason why everyone talks about safety with redundancy. It is because it should be the primary mindset whenever handling a firearm.

Glad your OK.

[hammer4nc]

I have a new 5th rule. DO NOT TOUCH FIREARMS WHILE INTOXICATED.

A friendly suggestion, please accept it in that spirit and not pompous preaching, wonder9. Maybe a better rule might be simply: Do not drink! There are some of us (not everyone) for whom alcohol is a poison, might be genetic or something, I don't know. We will continue to do dumb things regardless of our sober promises. If you can truly come to that realization, you'd be surprised how easy it to pass on that first drink, find other more productive activies. Take it or leave it. Glad you're OK.

[spacemanspiff]

so, umm, who was holding your beer while you played 'tilt-a-whirl'?
:D

everyone, wondernine, stated in his first post that he is trying to keep his attitude about this light, as he has already berated himself for doing something he should have known better not to do. we can be thankful he didnt hurt himself or a bystander, and hope that he doesnt try it again.

when you stub your toe, do you appreciate when others step on it saying 'hey dummy! dont stub your toe again!'

[ysr_racer]

when you stub your toe, do you appreciate when others step on it saying 'hey dummy! dont stub your toe again

I "think" there may be a little difference here. If you don't, maybe you shouldn’t own a gun either.

MY GOD, DO YOU PEOPLE REALIZE HOW SERIOUS THIS IS ?

[pytron]

Although never a victim of an ND, I did witness one at close range in my childhood. My older brother was carrying a BB rifle as we walked the ocean beach. He was trying to get a piece of floating debris (a log, I think) out of the water. Couldn't reach it with his hands, so he tried to snag it with the rifle. That didn't work, so he turned the rifle around, holding it by the muzzle. He hooked the trigger guard around a branch all the while pointing the muzzle at his stomach. As he pulled the branch, it caused the trigger to be depressed, causing a BB to fire and strike him in the stomach.

He got a nice wound as a present. Nothing serious, just a bandaid needed. I got a lifelong lesson in gun safety. I believe he was around 10 or 12 at the time.

I'm so paranoid that I have trouble looking down the barrel of my guns when they are disassembled and I'm cleaning them.

-Pytron

[hops]

Not an AD or ND but an ID - Idiotic Discharge!
Consider yourself warned, by whom ever watches over you and you're damm lucky. Live and learn as my boss like to say. Luckily you managed to do both, this time.

Alcohol only mixes with doing nothing and sleeping it off.

[El Tejon]

Wonder, you are very lucky. You owe a gread deal to Whoever or Whatever was watching over you and your friends.

To square the books, I recommend teaching everyone you can about The Four Rules. The Four Rules are life. Be thankful that you are around to tell others.

[Brian Williams]

That is as good a reason to quit the sauce as I ever heard.
I quit 23 Mar 1979.

Ditto Sam

[pytron]

My own personal perspective about firearms and alcohol. While I often drink a little while carrying (once or twice a week, one or two beers), I resist any temptation to touch my CCW. Absolutely no press-checking, or seeing if the magazine is full, or just wiping the fingerprints off. No touching whatsoever. Once I've had a sip, it is off-limits save a life-threatening encounter (which I hope to never have). By the time I put it away in the safe at night, it's been hours since I drank. (I hate going to bed while under the influence anyway, since I always seem to end up hung-over or have a terrible night's sleep).

After further reflection, quiting seems like a pretty good deal. No spilled beer or wine, no bad breath, no hang-overs, cheaper dinners, more room in your fridge, saved money. The only downside seems to be the relaxation that comes so easy with alcohol. You can get it other ways, but for me they take more time and a more conscious effort. Maybe I should take my own advice and quit :)

-Pytron

[AlienSoul]

I have to agree with ysr_racer. That is very serious.

I don't drink at all and everytime I hear one of these stories I am reminded of why I don't.

I am glad you came out ok.

[cool45auto]

Just got home, can't see the pics, what happened?:confused:

[Bigjake]

ysr_racer


MY GOD, DO YOU PEOPLE REALIZE HOW SERIOUS THIS IS ?

while serious, i don't think theres any need to have an emotional breakdown like all the other MMM-ers and gun grabbers over some stupid accident which i'm very sure he learned from.


You guys are scaring the crap outta me. You think handling firearms is a joke? Maybe the anti's are right. Maybe everybody shouldn't be able to own a firearm. I know you guys shouldn't.

while i'm at it, get off your high horse, theres absolutely no grounds or reason for you to be an a**hole over something that has no effect on you whatsoever. the guy screwed up, learned from it, and has since moved on. i'm sure the shoe would be on the other foot though if someone crucified you over a dumb mistake.

edited because my grammar skills arent quite thier anymore ;)

[Bigjake]

on a lighter note, good to see you made it out alright wonder, stupid hurts!

i can't talk at all, one time we had to take cover in my barn from rain while shooting clay pigeons, and i was unloading my 11/87 and misconted the # of rnds that came out, THOUGHT i had the last out and pulled the trigger, resulting in a big ol hole through the plywood of the loft and impact on the roof itself.

i also remember a few stupid kids that thought throwing .22 lr rnds in a fire and then hiding behind a pile of wood was some of the greatest fun a 12 yrd old could have, till one of them caught a round in the calf

[WonderNine]

i also remember a few stupid kids that thought throwing .22 lr rnds in a fire and then hiding behind a pile of wood was some of the greatest fun a 12 yrd old could have, till one of them caught a round in the calf

Sounds like something I would have done. It's probably a miracle I'm still alive...

[Atticus]

Wondernine: Sounds like you've used most, if not all, of your get out of jail free cards. One ND was more than enough for me. You're very fortunate that you, or more importantly someone else, wasn't hurt or killed. BTW- Where did the bullet end up...and how's your hearing? Stay away from the guns when you are drunk, tired, or your mind is distracted in any way. A loaded weapon demands 100% of your attention. Glad you are OK!

[WonderNine]

It wasn't that loud, just a Federal Hi-velocity .22 long, but I was grazed from only 3" away or so, it could have done some serious damage. I didn't have any ringing in my ears at all. The bullet is somewhere between the sheetrock and the frame boards and that's where it'll stay.

[falconer]

My 12 year old cousin had his first (and hopefully last) ND this past week. He was pumping up his BB gun before he went outside to shoot and "it went off." His dad asked him if he had pulled the trigger. He said no. Upon hearing that his dad was taking said airgun and destroying it, as only a defective gun just goes off, he admitted to pulling the trigger.

I found out a few days later. I was PISSED and seriously let down. I had spent the most time with him teaching firearms safety. I asked him what happened, he said he accidently pulled the trigger, but it wasn't loaded so its not a big deal. DOH! ALL FIREARMS ARE ALWAYS LOADED!!!!

We had a little heart to heart about being safe. He now has to write an essay on firearms safety, the 4 rules, why they are important, and how he screwed up. I really hope that he learns a lesson from this. I had really high hopes for him. Up until now, he was safer than most adults I know, and in a few years could probably out shoot them as well.

[WonderNine]

You know, I had a fairly high powered combination BB/pellet gun when I was ten. Nobody taught me firearms safety and yet I never had a negligent discharge as far as I can remember. I think I sold that gun when I was about 16.

[techmike]

Yep... WonderNine did something stupid..not only did he admit it, but he came here to share it with his peers. I think that lesson is learned. I don't see the need for you to be quite so shrill about it. Guns by thier very nature (much like my other passion, Motorcycles) can be dangerous. Anyone who can accept that needs to rethink his choice of hobby/lifestyle. Drinking and Guns do not mix (much like drinking and riding)...NOBODY is arguing that a ND is not serious. But a serious reminder can be delivered in a lighthearted manner.

Perhaps you are unaware of your audience here. Some of the most talented Shooters, Hunters and Trainers post here along with serious shooters and newbies seeking to learn more. This is not a group you need to Shout at to get your point accross.

e.g.
QUOTE]You guys are scaring the crap outta me. You think handling firearms is a joke? Maybe the anti's are right. Maybe everybody shouldn't be able to own a firearm. I know you guys shouldn't. [/QUOTE]

Does the mere thought fo someone behaving dangerously scare that much. If you saw someone driving doun the road on a bike without a helmet would you want to take away his bike?

What exactly are your qualifications to suggest that anyone else be deprived of RKBA?

If you lived in my area I would be happy to let you know when I go to the range so we would not meet...I don't think either of us would have much fun.

WonderNine - Thanks for sharing. Takes cojones to admit when you screw up.

[Dionysusigma]

When I was 18 y.o., I had an ND... shot myself in the finger.

Never had a problem since.






















Granted, that was with a BB gun, but that was enough for me :uhoh:

[Edward429451]

Thats enough to make a man a teetotaler.

I give you big points for admitting it to this crowd. I know that took some courage.:D

Glad you're OK.

[ysr_racer]

Bigjake

while i'm at it, get off your high horse, theres absolutely no grounds or reason for you to be an a**hole over something that has no effect on you whatsoever.


Bigjake, let me guess. 21 still live at home with mom and dad? How close am I?

No effect on me? What happens if I'm standing next to him at the range? Or driving by his house? Or living across the street from this fool and he has another ID (idiot discharge)? Then what? Then it does have an effect on me.

[ysr_racer]

techmike

Does the mere thought fo someone behaving dangerously scare that much.

No, the thought of someone behaving that supidly does.


If you saw someone driving doun the road on a bike without a helmet would you want to take away his bike?

Hey if you are STUPID enough to ride a bike without a helmet, that's your problem. Me, I've raced for enough years that I won't even ride without leathers.

[techmike]

The bottom line is that WonderNine made a mistake...he could have kept quiet and none of us would have known. Instead he was nice enough to own up to it and let it serve as a reminder for the rest of us. I could understand your ire if he was treating the incident like it was something funny or suggesting that mixing drinking and shooting is a good idea.

My point is I don't see the need for you or anyone else to bust his chops over it...he's doing that to himself.

My point is out in the open. What is your point?

A. Drinking and Guns don't mix (Been covered)
B. You hate ND's or (ID's):D (we all do)
C. You are so far superior to WonderNine and the rest of us that you can look down your nose and scoff. (This isn't it is it???)

The guy made a mistake. You claim years of racing experience. Ever misjudged a curve? Ever Dropped a Bike? If so, you two have done something stupid, give the guy a break!

an aside...I am with you 100% on the helmet and leathers and I am one of those Neanderthal Cruiser Riders :D

Edited to add: ysr_racer...I looked at your pix...Nice...but where's the bike!! How about the 2 wheeled eyecandy!!

[WonderNine]

Bigjake, let me guess. 21 still live at home with mom and dad? How close am I?

No effect on me? What happens if I'm standing next to him at the range? Or driving by his house? Or living across the street from this fool and he has another ID (idiot discharge)? Then what? Then it does have an effect on me.

ysr_racer, I would never behave like this normally. You must have gathered that from my original post. Believe it or not, I'm anal retentive when it comes to gun handling, it's only when I've had a few (bottles of Jack) too many that I become Superfly TNT, Doc Holiday and Clint Eastwood all wrapped into one. I will never handle another firearm again while drunk, unless in a life threatening situation, of that you can rest assured. I agree with you, I cannot be told enough how stupid what I did was, but the insults toward bigjake were not warranted and as far as I know could be a more accurate description of your life than anyone else's. This is just an internet forum, let's try to keep it civil.

Btw, I have several friends who are dangerously close to 30 and live at home and I just turned 24 on Sunday and I've been back at home the past year and getting ready to move out for the second time. College tuition is a real bank account drainer.

[gunsmith]

No, the thought of someone behaving that supidly does.

hey! we all make SUPID mistakes stometimes.:neener:

[Quiquin]

I think some people are missing the point ysr_racer was trying to make. Having a ND is a very serious matter which should not be taken lightly, EVER. How would you feel if someone else would have been hurt...or worse?

Wondernine admits he made a mistake and I'm sure he feels remorse about it. And I think it is a good thing that he has shared the experience so we can all learn from it.

But consider this, if a person can drink to the point where their judgement is impaired enough to play around with a loaded gun, what will prevent a lapse in judgement the next time?

Lessons learned while sober don't matter much when alcohol overrides your common sense. I think there is more than one lesson we can all learn here.

[duckfoot]

Points of comment:

HAMMER ON WONDER FOR BEING A @$$. (On going, till some one else fesses up to an I.D.)

Reminding each other that stupid hurts and gun safety comes first. (Will never end)

Yelling just to hear yourself. (would like to see some where else, but if that makes you happy, I can take it.) RANT ON

Bringing Knowledge and experience to this table. (I'd like to think every one here tries to do.)

Wonder you just got a very cheap lesson in gun safety. Others have paid a lot more. I just hope that you don't waste it. If you do, the only thing that you might be good for is to show what not to do, and become another number on a stat sheet.
:scrutiny:

[Carlos Cabeza]

Yeah, it took gigante juevos to post this...........................BTDT, have a nice hole in the front door to prove my stupidity. But it takes a MAN to admit his faults. Again, I am glad you or nobody was hurt, NOW DROP AND GIVE ME TWENTY..................SOLDIER !!!!:D

[meathammer]

I'm glad you're okay Wondernine. Thanks for posting this here. I'm sure it was hard.

[zahc]

I don't wear a helmet when I ride my bike. Yall hurt my feewings:o :)

[techmike]

Zach..Don't Cry!:neener: No offense meant. It's your choice (in many states anyway) that's one of the great things about America. Freedom of choice. Your noggin, you decide if you want to protect it or not!

Happy riding and shooting (maybe even at the same time!):evil:

[Prodigalshooter]

Don't feel like you're the Lone Ranger here, I shot a TV once, no I didn't mean to.:rolleyes:

[WonderNine]

Well my nick from the Federal Hi-Velocity .22 long @ 3" still hurts a little, but it's developed a nice scab and hopefully won't leave a scar if I'm lucky :D . I have no doubt that right now I could be a dead man if that revolver had shot just a little bit to the left and put a nice hole in my liver or heart or higher and gone through my head.

Also it's kind of strange, but the ammo in the revolver is the first ammo I ever bought. I bought it at a rummage sale ten years ago and it was old then. The ammo is probably as old as I am. Anyways, I have about almost three full boxes of the stuff left and I plan on shooting it up the next time I go to the gun range, probably tomorrow night. Those .22 longs are actually kinda fun to shoot out of the Ruger Single Six believe it or not, more fun than the .22 long rifles or the .22 mags.

They're surprisely accurate.

[eoR]

Ok WonderNine, your comment


They're surprisely accurate

just caused a ND of iced tea all over my keyboard. You sure chose a tough way discover just how surprisingly accurate the ammo is @ near point blank range. Glad you weren't seriously hurt! :)

Devin

[Duncan Idaho]

I will never handle another firearm again while drunk, unless in a life threatening situation, of that you can rest assured. Two negligent discharges in what? The space of a year's time? I will never handle another firearm again while drunkDo you even see what you are writing?

Good luck. You, and those around you, are really going to need it. :barf:

Oh, and try to guess how many NDs since I quit drinking 10 years ago. :rolleyes: