LongShot in .40 S&W


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FireInTheHole
September 1, 2003, 11:48 PM
Anybody try out this powder in a .40? Load data shows 12grains can push a 135gr bullet to 1480 fps..... That just smokes power pistol. (no pun intended ;))

Shame cant use it to similar effect in 9mm.....

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FireInTheHole
September 3, 2003, 10:25 AM
Nobody has used this powder? It seems ideal for .40 sw.... not a chance in hell of a double load etc...

Razor 10
September 3, 2003, 10:55 AM
I use 8.0 grs behind 165 gr rainier hp and get 1180 fps. I have tried 8.5 grs but it felt a bit warm at 1250 fps. these loads were shot out of my HK USP compact. Start with 7.5 grs and work up from there. Even at the start load it produces just under 1100 fps. I really like the performance of this powder I also use it in my 10mm's with very good results.



Good Luck
Nick:)

GooseGestapo
September 3, 2003, 12:11 PM
It must be the lot that I have, but I didn't see the numbers that Hodgdon claims.
I tried the max listed load for the 180gr through my G-22. Instead of the claimed 1100+fps, I got 995fps +/-.
However, 800-X does deliver the goods velocity wise, but SD and accuracy are poor.

I Still haven't found anything better than Win.SuperField in .40 and 9mm.

Black Snowman
September 3, 2003, 06:27 PM
I'll have to try the SuperField. I haven't seen any load data for 165 Gr and SF, you know of any?

FireInTheHole
September 3, 2003, 06:36 PM
What kind of velocity are we talking about here for the WSF?

bedlamite
September 3, 2003, 09:38 PM
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=68915&highlight=longshot

I Still load 11gr longshot under a 135gr Nosler with CCI 500 primers (Standard deviation is better than WinSP), and it definitely turns heads at the range.

GooseGestapo
September 5, 2003, 12:13 PM
I haven't shot any 165gr bullets from .40 or 10mm. In fact, I shoot/load very little for these any more. ( I get all .40 UMC I want from storage room down the hall for free)

For 165 data, I would split the difference between the starting load for 155 and 180gr bullets.
Ditto for maximum loads.

Top velocities for WSF will be approximately that of factory loads. I found very little difference between WSF and WAP when WAP was still available. Only difference was slightly smaller charges for WSF and significantly better accuracy.

WSF was/is tops for accuracy in 9mm and .40.

Loads DATA:

9mm 115gr 5.3 WSF min. seat depth 1.070" (various hp's)
(duplicates Atlanta Arms 115gr "AMU" contract load)
5.6 WSF (0.1gr under Win. max. -1250fps 5" bbl)
duplicates Federal 9B "Classic"

124/125gr 5.3 WSF (velocity runs 1,150-1,190fps 5"bbl)
1.10" min. oal 0.1gr under Win.'s max.
duplicates non +p hydroshok "match" load

147gr 4.5gr WSF (note: this is above most listed max. for this powder/bullet, but is used by several commercial loaders, and pressure is at or below standard SAAMI pressures) Velocity- 990 4"bbl.
1,010 5"bbl.,
1,030 6"bbl
min. seating depth 1.080" with Horn.XTP*. 1.12" Gold-Dot.
*(Duplicates Anderson Cart., and Precision Delta "match" loads. Anderson uses 4.7gr per Dennis Anderson, Precision uses 4.5 per Joe Tranum).

.40 S&W 150-155gr 6.3gr WSF(do not reduce-min. to cycle G-22 100%)
180gr 5.5gr WSF (this and above are accuracy loads
seat to 1.125" very accurate from several G22's I've tried with.
I would try 5.8 w/165gr.

HSMITH
September 5, 2003, 06:00 PM
bedlamite, have you done any work with Longshot and 180 grain bullets in the 40? Thanks for the 135 and 150 info too.

bedlamite
September 5, 2003, 11:06 PM
Sorry, I haven't used 180gr bullets in 40s&w since before Longshot was available. That's what 10mm is for.

Clark
September 7, 2003, 01:49 PM
CAUTION: The following post includes loading data beyond currently published maximums for this cartridge. USE AT YOUR OWN RISK. Neither the writer, The High Road, nor the staff of THR assume any liability for any damage or injury resulting from use of this information.

As I have said to this question on another forum, Hodgdon has pulled the LONGSHOT load in question.

My high energy experiments suggest that Hodgdon's LONGSHOT loads were hot.

I have found with 200 gr. bullets and LONGSHOT in 40 S&W that LONGSHOT is an excellent powder, but does not quite have the velocity of 800X or Power Pistol at the pressure level that makes the primer fall out. I have a modified 40 S&W chamber that fully supports the case, and my experience may be irrelevant to you.



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kidcoltoutlaw
September 8, 2007, 12:08 AM
How bad is the flash from IMR 800X with the 40 and 155 or 180 bullets,

Thanks,Keith

CZ57
September 8, 2007, 12:26 AM
Good question Kid OL! 800-X is a double-based extruded flake propellant, so expect flash!

I saw the claims when Longshot was introduced and I still haven't tried it.

WSF is an exceptional .40 S&W powder, but it's not the only one. True Blue has provided me with some exceptional accuracy, as has the original .40 S&W powder, WAP, now known as Ramshot Silhouette. If you like accuracy along with velocity!;)

shadowalker
September 8, 2007, 01:17 AM
I've experimented with it a little in 40 S&W with 165 grain JHP, I was shooting at an indoor range and noticed it was both louder and a lot more flashy than universal or unique.

I'm going to shoot a full range of longshot next time I take the chrony to the range.

Shoney
September 8, 2007, 06:03 AM
In 2002 I did a lot of testing with Longshot, all groups were fired from sandbag rest at 25 yards, using a USP40c, velocities are in fps, average 10 shot groups

135HP Nosler
11.0gr… 1349… ES 34… 3” group low
11.5gr… 1397… ES 25… 2” group low left
12.0gr… 1467… ES 39… 4” poa maybe

150HP Sierra
9.0 gr… 1197… ES 60… 2” group low
9.5 gr… 1226… ES 24… 3” group low
10.0gr.. 1306… ES 21…5” abusive

165 Golden Sabre
8.0gr… 1091… ES 33… 1” poa
8.3gr… 1100… ES 54… 2.5” poa
8.5gr… 1149… ES 52… 2” low right
9.0gr… 1195… ES 25… 4” lower righter

180 FMJ Rem
7.0gr… 1001… ES 25… 2” poa
7.5gr… 1031… ES 63… 3” poa
8.0gr… 1093… ES 62… 3” poa

180 Gold Dot
8.0gr…1078… ES 34… not recorded???
8.2gr.. 1099… ES 49… not recorded???

Clark, try VihtaVuori N105 with 200 gr bullets, Zip Sowie and Swoooooosh

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