SHTF with a SKS


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Soke
August 12, 2008, 08:46 PM
Would you rather have it configured for stripper clips or a 10/20/30rd magazine? And why?

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Speedo66
August 12, 2008, 08:47 PM
Everyone says the extended mags don't work.

I think that answers the second question.

LeibstandarteAdH
August 12, 2008, 08:54 PM
they dont work (the extended mags other than the chinese "star" 20 rounders), and stripper clips are fast enough for me.

res45
August 12, 2008, 08:55 PM
The 10 Rd. factory mag works every time it's just hard to improve on that. If I wanted to go to 30 Rds. I would just get a cheap AK to begin with.

smee781
August 12, 2008, 08:58 PM
Check out the Tapco 20 rounders, I have had outstanding luck with them and zero failures.

jdc1244
August 12, 2008, 09:04 PM
Clips, for the reasons noted - with clips you can maintain a respectable rate of fire.

elmerfudd
August 12, 2008, 09:10 PM
I'd go with stripper clips. The way I see it, the reason you're using an SKS for SHTF in the first place is because you're not made of money. The stripper clips should work well enough for a civilian defending his home and you can get several hundred rounds loaded on them for very little cash. You can also keep them loaded for as long as you want with no worries about spring fatigue and they're lighter and easier to carry than duckbill mags.

res45
August 12, 2008, 09:13 PM
Only thing to remember about the Tapco mags is that the bolt has to be open when you insert or remove the mag unless you have done the bolt modification. You also have to deal with 922 when you remove the original mag. If you have trouble with the 10 Rd clips make some fives they load easier. Good for the old 5 Rd hunting mag if your state requires one.

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j1/rhsikes/Clips1.jpg

Mongrel
August 12, 2008, 09:19 PM
Strippers...

They're dependable.

They're light weight.

They're cheap.

They're less bulky than a magazine so it's easier to carry more ammo in less space.

They're disposable.

They're what the rifle was designed for.

They're springless.

Stock magazines...

Don't get hung up on furniture and underbrush.

Don't interfere with shooting from the prone position.

Don't draw unnecessary or unwanted attention.

Don't require any effort to top off.

Don't get dinged up in the pouch when you trip and fail to work.

Don't get lost.

Don't lend themselves to "spray and pray" tactics.

kingpin008
August 12, 2008, 09:26 PM
Throwing my hat in the ring in favor of plain ol' stripper clips, for all the reasons already mentioned. Why mess with a perfectly functional system?

woodfiend
August 12, 2008, 09:31 PM
The best setup for a SKS I have ever seen was my uncle's Chinese SKS. It was a paratrooper version with a Chinese military 20 round magazine that he installed. It was fixed and you loaded it with strippers. It even had the Chinese star on the side of the magazine. This gun was fast, light, affordable and it looked nice. It also had a bayonet. He sold it though so I don't have any pictures and I doubt if you could get one of those magazines again but dang that was a great rifle.

bannockburn
August 12, 2008, 10:24 PM
I've got to agree with res45; if you want the firepower of the 30 round mag, then get an AK variant. Other than that, stick with the stripper clips.

goon
August 12, 2008, 10:27 PM
Strippers all the way.
The detachable magazines for them are often low quality ones that don't work so well.
Plus, what do you really gain?

dispatch55126
August 12, 2008, 10:32 PM
IMO, stripper clips are always the best option. They neatly hold your ammo. They are not required to load/shoot your gun and they are reusable.

This isn't to say mags are bad. I now have an AR as my SHTF rifle. However, even in this case, all of my ammo is on strippers. For a given space, you will always have more ammo on strippers than in mags.

Also, if you damage your detachable mag, you are SOL. With a fixed magazine, you will probably break something else before you break the mag.

Avenger29
August 12, 2008, 10:43 PM
There's a new detachable metal mag out there that actually works.

Only thing about it, is that the cost of the mags is so high, you might as well have bought a WASR, SAR-1, or Siaga instead.

Really want detachable mags? Buy an AK.

Want to stick with the SKS? Use the standard magazine with stripper clips. Practice.

One more thing. Some of the Chinese SKSs, maybe the SKS-D? use AK mags.

W.E.G.
August 12, 2008, 10:47 PM
If you survive the first engagement, you can probably upgrade anyway.

If not, it won't matter.

tomh1426
August 12, 2008, 10:49 PM
Id have to go with stripper clips and a fixed mag too in a SHTF situation
If Im just out messin around I really like the Tapco 20 rd mags, I have yet to have a problem of any kind, you can even loadem with stripper clips if u want.

telecaster1981
August 12, 2008, 10:58 PM
I'm on board with the stripper clip guys as well. I like them for all of the reasons stated above and the fact that I can use the same stripper clips I use for a Mauser to feed my O3-A3, FN49, or 1917 Enfield. In fact, I loaded over 500 rounds of '06 and 8mm onto stripper clips yesterday and 300 rounds of 7.62x39 a few weeks ago.

Drgong
August 12, 2008, 11:07 PM
Stripper clip, it is a reliable system that just works...

If you want a big clip, I guess get a AK..

EShell
August 12, 2008, 11:12 PM
If you survive the first engagement, you can probably upgrade anyway.

If not, it won't matter.
LOL, ain't that the truth.

+3,983,678 for strippers and the milspec factory mag.

lloydkristmas
August 12, 2008, 11:31 PM
10 rounder all the way.

Part of the reason the SKS is nice for SHTF is that it isnt as glaringly "evil" looking as some other choices. Sure, this logic is buying into the antigun method of judging a gun by its looks rather than its function, but it seems to me that an SKS slung over the shoulder (or a Mini 14, 30-30, M1, M44, etc) doesnt quite have the same connotations as an AK, Ar15, G3, etc. Sure some guns have it beat in terms of capacity, but like another guy said, all you have to do is survive the first firefight ;)

Ben Shepherd
August 12, 2008, 11:35 PM
On the tidal wave here.

Stripper clips, and a factory 10 round mag. WORKS. EVERY time.

dvcrsn
August 13, 2008, 12:10 AM
Stripper clips for all reasons stated--plus it helps reinforce the revolver/bolt action thinking--all I have is 10 rounds at a time--make them all count--even in a major riot situation--if people in the mob are being hit with every round--it would tend to make the rest think.

esmith
August 13, 2008, 12:33 AM
Strippers all the way.

Couldn't agree more. Gotta love them strippers.

RockyMtnTactical
August 13, 2008, 02:20 AM
An SKS-D or SKS-M would be great. However, fixed and detachable mag SKS's would probably be suitable so long as they are reliable.

Win75
August 13, 2008, 07:41 AM
Tapco

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Check out the Tapco 20 rounders, I have had outstanding luck with them and zero failures

+1

I am in here with the Tapco 20's.

T-6 stock, 20's, and a red dot.

onebigelf
August 13, 2008, 08:02 AM
I'm on board with the stripper clip guys as well. I like them for all of the reasons stated above and the fact that I can use the same stripper clips I use for a Mauser to feed my O3-A3, FN49, or 1917 Enfield. In fact, I loaded over 500 rounds of '06 and 8mm onto stripper clips yesterday and 300 rounds of 7.62x39 a few weeks ago.

My "I learned something new" for the day. I didn't know that you could use the cheaper and easier to find Mauser strippers with the '03 and the 1917.

Thanks!

John

markk
August 13, 2008, 08:04 AM
One more thing. Some of the Chinese SKSs, maybe the SKS-D? use AK mags.

An SKS-D or SKS-M would be great. ...

The SKS-D is awesome, but even then I still prefer the 20 round AK mags over the more common 30 rounders just for the sake of manuverability.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c73/kmark/P1220159.jpg?t=1218625251

brigadier
August 13, 2008, 08:08 AM
If you are going to use detachable magazines, then adapt it to use AK mags.
The SKS is just fine in it's original form. In a SHTF situation, things are a little different then normal warfare. You want to make every shot count in survival. Spending more then 10 rounds in a single fight sounds like a fast way to run out of ammo and be defenseless for a long time.
BTW.
I saw a some clips of the fighting in Georgia. One of the troops in the videos was using an SKS. Apparently even today they are finding use for it.

buck00
August 13, 2008, 01:38 PM
I hate to rain on anyone's parade, because the SKS is a neat rifle to own and plink with... but for SHTF?

Maybe a back-up, but it definitely is not a go-to rifle.

Beowolf1911
August 13, 2008, 01:43 PM
I like the SKScout setup for a bug out gun, a light weight SKS with a forward mounted low power scope and a bunch of stripper clips. I always figure if you are bugging out the last thing you want it a fire fight, you really just want to run away. Just my opinion.

possum
August 13, 2008, 01:47 PM
welcome to thr.

First and foremost i woudl have it set up for stripper clips unless of course you had one of the sks model D'2 which are made from the factory to take ak mags. but you might as well just have an ak.

anyway there are lots of reliability concerns when folks take out the stock fixed box mag and start using detachable mags.

i would stay with the stripper clips.

Wolfgang2000
August 13, 2008, 02:16 PM
I have to jump on the stripper clip wagon. Why? It works and works well.

Another thing to think about. The main advantage of the SKS is that it DOESN'T REQUIRE detachable magazines to work. That is one less thing to have to buy or worry about. Even without stripper clips you can hand feed it, AND IT WORKS!

Don't misunderstand. I like and own detachable mag weapons. And in some situations they have an advantage. BUT, magazines can be lost, damaged, etc.. Without magazines, AR's, AK's, FN's etc, are very awkward single shots. Magazine cost for $10.00 to $50.00 and upward. How much ammo could you buy for the cost of a magazine?

:banghead: AGAIN I'm not knocking the detachable mag feed systems. :banghead:

I'm just trying to point out some of the advantages of a non-detachable mag system.

lloydkristmas
August 13, 2008, 02:37 PM
I hate to rain on anyone's parade, because the SKS is a neat rifle to own and plink with... but for SHTF?

Maybe a back-up, but it definitely is not a go-to rifle.

What makes you think a SKS isnt good for anything but a back up in a SHTF setting? Its reliable, decently accurate, shoots a good middle-of-the-road round, and doesnt have quite the same "commando" look that other weapons do. Most any long gun, bolt actions and shotguns included, would be an excellent choice for a SHTF emergency. A decked out AR15 with all the goodies is great, no doubt, but to say that something like the SKS is only good as a backup rifle is foolish. The Korean shopkeepers used the SKS to great effect during the LA riots, the Vietnamese used it in Nam, and is a staple of many people's collections across the country, and the world. I've owned many long guns, including AK's, AR's, etc, but I still see my SKS as a great go-to weapon if need be.

It's been said before, but your "primary" weapon, should the S hit the F, will probably be your handgun. It can go everywhere you can, and be hidden at the same time. Search for some Katrina-related posts by JWarren to understand why.

Mike Franklin
August 13, 2008, 03:47 PM
If you're trying to get out of town, you're not likely to run across a bunch of Marine Raiders trying to stop you. Most centerfire repeaters are going to work ok. If you're in your hidey hole out in the country some place the SKS is going to be plenty for a light patrol gun, even on horse back. You could have a couple of high powered longer range rifles stashed in a few places.

elmerfudd
August 13, 2008, 04:13 PM
I think that for 99% of us, SHTF doesn't mean front line combat. It means defending ourselves, our homes or our families during a period of social breakdown. If it comes down to fighting house to house in some modern Battle of Stalingrad, then unless you're a soldier, you'll be screwed and probably then too.

In any event, having the latest greatest boomstick isn't going to make much difference if you're an individual up against organized troops and heavy weapons.

SSN Vet
August 13, 2008, 04:18 PM
which do you have the most experiece with and which do you shoot better?

that'll be the answer to your question

556A2
August 13, 2008, 04:45 PM
I hate to rain on anyone's parade, because the SKS is a neat rifle to own and plink with... but for SHTF?

Maybe a back-up, but it definitely is not a go-to rifle.

Korea, Vietnam, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq, and many places in Africa are just some hot-spots where it was used for a go-to rifle. If it works in war, it will work in a breakdown of social order.

Personally I think it you want a detachable magazine, then you should just buy a AK. A stripper clip is very fast, and 10 rounds of 7.62x39mm will solve nearly every problem on the planet.

ccsniper
August 17, 2008, 06:17 PM
definetly the stripper clips, why? one they work. two you cant lose the mag. even if you lose the stipper, you can still load them one at a time. IMHO its THE SHTF gun, your not likely to get in many firefights just like in katrina usually the notion of a gun made people second guess there intentions.

35 Whelen
August 17, 2008, 06:57 PM
Wolfgang took the words right out of my mouth...or off my keyboard...whatever.
Anyhow, if your fancy detachable mag gets damaged, you have a really slow single shot. Plus, I hate a long magazine hanging out of the bottom of a rifle. They seem to always get in the way when one needs to rest his rifle over something for support while firing.

35W

guntotinguy
August 17, 2008, 07:01 PM
I had a problem with the extended mag not working...went back to using the stripper clips and no problems at all...

Kentucky-roughrider
August 17, 2008, 09:39 PM
stripper clip are the way to go, they work.

Shade00
August 17, 2008, 09:49 PM
Stripper clips work, sure, but so do my 20-round Tapco mags. They feed flawlessly and fire as fast as I would want to. T6 stock with a pistol grip makes it a fun gun to shoot. I do plan on getting a Saiga in .223 eventually, but since I don't see the SHingTF in the near future, this lowly SKS will have to do.

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/38/sks1nz5.jpg

kid_couteau
August 17, 2008, 10:03 PM
I read once that the 20 round non detachable is a good way to go.

The reason given was you don't have wait till you are empty to put ten rounds from a clip in the rifle.

Been in a fight? Got five rounds left and wanna top off go ahead drop ten in for now

I liked the idea
Kid

pdowg881
August 17, 2008, 10:07 PM
It's a pain for me to try and top off the fixed mag.

MechAg94
August 17, 2008, 10:35 PM
If I want 30 round mags, I have an AK. IMO, the SKS is uniquely elegant with the strippers in a similar way to the Garand. Instead of carrying a mag pouch, you just carry a satchel full of strippers or one of those chest rigs. If you have a 20 rounder that works, okay, but I'll stick with the 10 round original.

Neo-Luddite
August 17, 2008, 10:52 PM
2 SKS's, one 20rd tapco purchased really as a 'spare part' in the bizarre and unlikely event that a 10 rounder fails and can't be repaired.

dispatch55126
August 17, 2008, 11:34 PM
Alot of people have alluded to it, but if there ever becomes a true SHTF/TEOTWAWKI, less rounds in the gun is a good thing.

If you are truly looking at this type of situation, there will not be functioning hospitals or 911. The more you stay in one place shooting, the more bullets people are shooting at you. Having a limited round count can temper many things.

If you are looking at a Katrina type event, 10 rounds is also fine. Most BG aren't going to spoil for a fight. As soon as you squeeze off a few, they'll probably reconsider coming into your home.

Besides, they don't know how rounds you have:cool:

benEzra
August 18, 2008, 12:07 AM
If an SKS, I'd stick with the stock magazine for reliability reasons. 10 rounds that fire beat 30 rounds that won't feed properly.

I'd personally rather have an AK with detachable mags, though.

XD-40 Shooter
August 18, 2008, 12:37 AM
I'd have no reservations whatsoever about using my SKS in a SHTF scenario, its very reliable, I can shoot 4" groups at 100 yards, shoots a good short range combat round, and its very simple and robust.:)

spiroxlii
August 18, 2008, 01:46 AM
Both my SKS rifles (Yugo and Chinese) are super-reliable with strippers and the stock 10rd fixed mag. Once you get used to it, reloading is fast.

Both rifles would not function with a 20rd hicap mag I bought at a gun show. It was a cheap steel magazine, and the failures were all PURELY magazine related. The rifles are (and always have been) solid as a rock.

I've heard that Tapco hicap mags are reliable, but I have never tried one myself, since the original 10rd fixed mag functions well enough that I am not compelled to try anymore hicap mags at this time.

Ignition Override
August 18, 2008, 02:25 AM
Elmerfudd:
You mentioned Stalingrad.
The Soviets developed the shorter MN 44 partly in response to the need for a shorter rifle, didn't they?

Don't have an AK, but my "cherry" SKS will continue to work well long after I'm gone.

Keeping a nearby river protected from floating fruit.

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