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XDGirl
August 12, 2008, 09:38 PM
Who here has had training on carrying concealed other than that ridiculous class that they say qualifies you to have a concealed carry license?

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Treo
August 12, 2008, 09:43 PM
What kind of training are you asking about? The "Ridiculous" class I went to had a lot of good legal information. ( other than that it was " See this end of the gun? The one W/ the round hole in it, that's the part that needs to be pointing at the bad guy"

Huddog
August 12, 2008, 09:43 PM
13 years in law enforcement, 4 of those in detectives and another in a plain clothes detail. Plus training through continuing education for leos. Classes made available by a rather progressive Sheriff's Department in the area I used to work which I always managed to get an invite to. Out of law enforcement for about 15 but continue my training.

possum
August 12, 2008, 09:50 PM
i have, with members of the Ranger BN's, SOCOM Personel, i have trained at TDI ohio, as well as blackwater usa. and from the 16-19 sept i will be at tactical response in tenn for 4 days of handgun training fighting and advanced fighting pistol.
which really translates into, no where enough, or as much as i would like to have.

XDGirl,
you are from tenn you should take a look at www.tacticalresponse.com they are headquartered out of Camden Tenn.

neviander
August 12, 2008, 09:54 PM
I'm on possum's side! :D

Treo
August 12, 2008, 09:57 PM
I want to know when the 75th Regiment started training for concealed carry.

Why is it that threads like this draw mall ninja like white on rice?

possum
August 12, 2008, 10:04 PM
I want to know when the 75th Regiment started training for concealed carry.

Why is it that threads like this draw mall ninja like white on rice?

obviously i train for other situations than just the everyday ccw. i am in the military and my skill needs to be a little wider range, ie carbine, shotgun, precision rifle, low light etc. and a little better than the average civilian.

Why is it that threads like this draw mall ninja like white on rice?
before i get defensive i am gonna keep my cool and ask. is this directed at me?

Treo
August 12, 2008, 10:27 PM
No it was not. However you might want to ask yourself why you were ready to lose your cool.

I have nothing but respect for our military, it's the mercenary types I can't stand.

ambidextrous1
August 12, 2008, 10:36 PM
It seems that a post is missing from this thread. :confused:

Who were you referring to, Treo?

kingpin008
August 12, 2008, 10:44 PM
Indeed. If that wasn't in reference to Possum, who was it in reference to?

Galen
August 12, 2008, 10:49 PM
NRA Basic Pistol followed by NRA Personal Protection class.

esq_stu
August 12, 2008, 10:51 PM
I take a "tactical pistol" class annually.

Subjects usually covered (varies by trainer)
Weapon retention - actual grappling over practice weapons;
Tactical situations;
Shoot and move/walk and while walking;
Use of cover;
Reloading under pressure;
Jam clearing under pressure;
Low light and no light shooting and tactics;
Draw techniques and practice.

Treo
August 12, 2008, 11:02 PM
Indeed. If that wasn't in reference to Possum, who was it in reference to?

Just wait he'll be here

GRB
August 12, 2008, 11:08 PM
I have been training regularly over the past 28 3/4 years regarding concealed carry. I have not had a ridiculous class yet.

fletcher
August 12, 2008, 11:11 PM
Two defensive pistol / IDPA classes here.

Treo
August 12, 2008, 11:13 PM
Ok guys here's my serious response to the question.

I've had :

Techniques for Effective Aggression Managment 1&2

Cornell University Theraputic Crisis Management Techniques

Cornell University Theraputic Crisis Intervention Techniques

Love & Logic 1& 2

And I worked in a Crisis Treatment center (inpatient) for teens. That was the best training I ever got, if you want to learn situational awareness go to work everyday around a bunch people who want to hurt you.

Now I'll leave this disscussion to the hard chargers.

SFvet
August 12, 2008, 11:28 PM
My signature says it best. I spent a little time after the service in the local sheriffs reserve.

Logan5
August 12, 2008, 11:31 PM
I teach "the ridiculous class."

Do we want it to be mandated that you have to go to API or Thunder Ranch if you want a permit? Or should you have a right to do what you want after you've learned how not to hurt anyone else while you're doing it?

I do this as a kind of community outreach to people who haven't a clue about firearms, but want to find out. It's basic because that's where everyone has to start, and that's how the course is designed. It's a safety course, and it teaches you how not to shoot yourself or others accidentally.

I consider it a testament to the American character that everything after that, including learning how best to shoot someone on purpose, costs extra and is up to you.

siglite
August 13, 2008, 12:49 AM
Yeah, I've had some "continuing education."

More on the way.

Aguila Blanca
August 13, 2008, 01:58 AM
Who here has had training on carrying concealed other than that ridiculous class that they say qualifies you to have a concealed carry license?
I am uncertain which is more ridiculous, the notion that any class is necessary to obtain a concealed carry license/permit, or the fact that a license/permit is required by some states before a citizen may carry a firearm.

Either way, since the Constitution of the United States says that the Right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, IMHO what's "ridiculous" is the entire licensing/permitting concept. As others have said numerous times before this, we should not have to obtain the state's written approval before exercising a Constitutional right.

With that as context, to be honest my feeling is that if the state wants to mandate a class before issuing a permit, the more ridiculous the class the better I like it. If I have to waste a day sitting in a class, I'd much prefer being amused to having to pay attention.

RobNDenver
August 13, 2008, 02:12 AM
25 years of LE including SWAT Training and CERT Training the last ten years. Now that I've retired I shoot once a month, pistol and rifle, quarterly with the shotgun. I use qualifying exercises from Joe Bierly http://media.govtech.net/custompubs/Oracle1105/GT05_ORACLE_November.pdf

Powderman
August 13, 2008, 03:45 AM
1. Point noisy end at bad person.
2. Pull trigger to the rear with even pressure until there is a VERY loud noise.
3. Repeat as necessary.

loop
August 13, 2008, 03:54 AM
After 240 hours of training I began training police.

It still required 16 more hours to qualify to instruct CCW classes. It was different training.

After 500 hours of training I was a certified instructor on sub-guns, shotguns and numerous handgun disciplines.

Never met anyone who did not need more training.

JMHO.

Ala Dan
August 13, 2008, 05:09 AM
20+ years LEO training, is that good enough~? :uhoh:

sacp81170a
August 13, 2008, 05:59 AM
I teach "the ridiculous class."

Same here. The statutory requirement in Arkansas doesn't even dictate proficiency in marksmanship. It simply requires that the instructor be satisfied that the student knows how to handle the weapon safely. Of course, I require live fire and if the marksmanship is poor I won't sign off on the training paperwork. In that case, I have the student return for individual instruction, typically at no additional cost.

Ya see, I want everyone who is able to carry a handgun safely to have that option. I realize that one day of training does not make a competent marksman, but I always emphasize that what I'm showing them in class is something for them to take home and practice and to get additional training when they can.

As for the OP, I've had 10 years in USAF Security Police(prior to the re-unification of Security and Law Enforcement) as an EST member, ABGD training, competition, etc. I've also got 8 years in civilian Law Enforcement, numerous tactical classes and qualifications, IDPA and IPSC competition, Active Shooter training, force on force training with MILES and SIMS, etc.

In other words, not nearly enough training... ;)

ar10
August 13, 2008, 07:53 AM
Who here has had training on carrying concealed other than that ridiculous class that they say qualifies you to have a concealed carry license?

I agree many of the basic CHL classes I've seen are pretty bad but some are pretty good.
You'll have to shop around if you are interested in an advanced class, very good ones are available and they don't cost a fortune or take you away for a week. I would ask around at some of the shooting ranges, and talk with other gun owners as well as some of the local police in your area.
There's a lot of active/retired LEO's teaching classes for extra money and the ones I've seen are pretty good and creative.

30 cal slob
August 13, 2008, 07:54 AM
i suspect i've had more training than the average cop in my town.

ar10
August 13, 2008, 09:06 AM
i suspect i've had more training than the average cop in my town.
No argument here. As seen on a number of TV shows practicing in a well lighted, enclosed, air conditioned shooting range really prepares the street cop in less than perfect conditions. :banghead:

mhillsing23
August 13, 2008, 10:12 AM
I have had the "ridiculous" CC training, advanced handgun training, and tactical handgun training.

Training is fun and addictive, I just wish I wish it didn't hit the wallet so hard.

GEM
August 13, 2008, 10:31 AM
TN - go to rangemaster.com - Tom
Givens.

tawcat
August 13, 2008, 11:38 AM
Provided a lot of Arkansas legal stuff. Other training, 24 years of military infantry. Four years USMC '64 -'68; hands-on training, "Nam '65 -'66! Twenty years US Army Infantry, lots of hands-on training, most noteable was chasing Noriega through Panama in '89!

Retired in '95 as an Infantry First Sergeant. Since my retirement, I haven't had much hands-on other than at our local range:)

feedthehogs
August 13, 2008, 12:03 PM
XD,
Many states requirements for training is weak. Even in states with good requirements, finding a good instructor is just as hard as finding any good teacher.

The rangemaster suggestion seems to be a good choice in your state.

El Tejon
August 13, 2008, 12:08 PM
Since the early '90s, I've been clocking hours. Now 600+ hours (mostly pistol, but includes rifle, carbine, shotgun, submachine gun and medical treatment of GSWs) from a host of instructors (plurality with ITC/Thunder Ranch), not including the Awerbuck pistol class I have this weekend.

You are never done training.:)

Chipperman
August 13, 2008, 12:24 PM
You are never done training

True that.

I have no idea of the number of hours I have, but they also include handgun, rifle, shotgun, machine gun, legal, etc. I am always looking for more, but time and money are tight now. :o

444
August 13, 2008, 12:29 PM
Yes.
I have had training specifically directed at concealed carry (not just a general gun training class).
Frontsight's four day handgun class spends final two days as well as the skills test shooting 100% from concealment. In addition, they give several hour+ lectures on things like civil & criminal problems associated with personal protection, moral and ethical considerations of personal defense, and other related topics.
I have taken that class three times.

I have been to quite a few firearms training classes at various venues but you didn't ask about that. Out of the 20 or so formal firearms classes I have taken, none of the others dealt in any way with concealed carry.

VegasOPM
August 13, 2008, 03:55 PM
I lost count somewhere after 500 hours of classes- so yeah I guess that I've had training. :D Some CCW classes are valuable, some not so much. The secret is to find a good instructor.

Here in Vegas, there are a couple of good- and one great- instructors of the CCW class. There is a bunch of solid legal info and you do have to qualify with the weapons that you plan on carrying.

jonmerritt
August 13, 2008, 08:48 PM
Many hours of traing in the 4 years I spent in the Army. Yes I had to CC, I was required to be armed at all times. In or out of uniform.

Conqueror
August 13, 2008, 09:51 PM
This thread smells of trolling. I'm sure Sarah Brady would refer to most CCW classes as "ridiculous" and would like to know how many of us have only such "ridiculous" training.

mgkdrgn
August 13, 2008, 10:14 PM
4 day Defensive Handgun at Front Sight in Nevada.

1911 guy
August 14, 2008, 09:14 AM
Shooting is a perishable skill, so I have attended several classes, even recently.

U.S. Navy, trained with and taught handgun.
County LEO training (some of this was legal, not shooting)
A half dozen classes at TDI here in Ohio (not all were handgun)
and a few others I spent money on and walked away thinking I'd wasted my money because their "advanced tactics" or such weren't. Then I remind myself what Clint Smith says*.

I even sat through the "ridiculous" class with my wife. They taught a good drawstroke, trigger management and a lot of good legal advice. It shouldn't be the end of your training, but I'm not sure I'd describe it as ridiculous.

My opinion is that if you want to be in top form should the need arise, you need to take one handgun class a year. Every few years, deliberately take a basics class to refresh the core skills. * "There are no advanced techniques, only fundamentals applied faster and farther away."

TexasRifleman
August 14, 2008, 09:20 AM
This thread smells of trolling. I'm sure Sarah Brady would refer to most CCW classes as "ridiculous" and would like to know how many of us have only such "ridiculous" training.

I dunno, I tend to agree with the OP.

Many of the state required classes teach you little more than enough to be dangerous. They are more concerned with the legal aspects of concealed carry than any practical matters.

That's probably fine from the state's point of view but it certainly doesn't address any real life practical stuff at all.

The Texas CHL class is a joke from the perspective of actually teaching any practical information.

Someone here recently posted that they shot the Texas CHL qualifications with their eyes closed and scored a passing score :)

RavenVT100
August 14, 2008, 09:48 AM
I have taken the Judicious use of Lethal Force lecture with Massad Ayoob, as well as LFI-1 and LFI-2. Also NRA Basic Pistol and am an NRA Instructor.

Basic Pistol is great for teaching people Gun Safety and Gun Storage 101. Self defense isn't touched on in the least.

Out of all of those, the lecture portion of judicious use of lethal force is what I would consider the most valuable. The real tool of self defense is on top of your shoulders. You don't necessarily need a gun.

bsf
August 14, 2008, 10:20 AM
I have taken the Judicious use of Lethal Force lecture with Massad Ayoob, as well as LFI-1 and LFI-2. Also NRA Basic Pistol and am an NRA Instructor.

Basic Pistol is great for teaching people Gun Safety and Gun Storage 101. Self defense isn't touched on in the least.

Out of all of those, the lecture portion of judicious use of lethal force is what I would consider the most valuable. The real tool of self defense is on top of your shoulders. You don't necessarily need a gun.
JUoLF or something similar should be on the list of everyone who owns a firearm for self defense. I took it ~4 years ago and it marked the beginning of huge change in my mindset.

just carl
August 14, 2008, 10:33 AM
No type of formal training at all. All my training and experiences are from the streets of Chicago. As many know we have massively great gun laws here so guns are just non existant. See, no crime with guns at all. Yeah, right. Got to fire my first gun in a train station at night so no people around at all. Other great experiences in and with guns was at the Lake Michigan Lake front with .22s at bottles and cans. All before I was 12 years old. Probably thousands or more that carry guns here and no training of any kind since guns are NOT ALLOWED. Can't even buy air rifles around here. Legally that is.
Great examples of little training with guns is apparent at most gun ranges in the far suburbs where the floors, walls and ceilings are full of bullet holes.

Bix
August 14, 2008, 11:07 AM
Carl,

There are actually many opportunities for high quality professional (legal) firearms training within driving distance of the city. Several options are discussed here:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=214656&highlight=greater+chicagoland

and here:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=335831&highlight=tactical+handgun+classes

To keep this on topic, I'd say John Farnam's training is very relevant to the CCW holder. Among other things, he covers gear selection for concealed carry, requires his students to shoot from concealment during the duration of the class, and teaches various nonshooting threat management skillsets. Highly recommended ;)

just carl
August 14, 2008, 11:53 AM
Carl,
There are actually many opportunities for high quality professional (legal) firearms training within driving distance of the city. Several options are discussed here:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthrea...er+chicagoland
and here:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthrea...andgun+classes

Yes I know about those places. For one thing I've already been shooting guns for well over 50 years. Little late to start a training class. Rockford and Plainfield well over 2 hours away unless using a helicopter. Desplaines is OK but your watched, checked and I've known people that have had their homes watched after a visit there. Not sure what is going on but I'll stay away from places like that. Around here even gun ranges are closing down or just no gun range. For example Bellls on Manhiem Road now gone. Gun world in Bensenville wiped out by the O'Hare expansion. The Dupage County Gun shows are getting smaller and smaller and less and less for similar reasons.

SoCalShooter
August 14, 2008, 04:55 PM
I have taken the class and a defensive pistol class, and I have watched a lot of youtube :). But not much more than that. I practice at home with my CCW weapon and holsters and clothes to make sure I am able to conceal everything not to mention I practice with my CCW weapon once a week.

anythingshiny
August 14, 2008, 05:21 PM
NC requires 8 hrs to include weapon and legal and a fairly basic competancy shoot. boring as all get out for 'shooters' but it seems pretty balanced between shooter and those who have never even held a gun.

i go to as many local and regional classes as i can afford to.

i'd love to attend a few of the bigger schools for a weeks worth of running and gunning...but time and $ are limiters.

Conqueror
August 14, 2008, 06:07 PM
Agreed, NC's is a fair balance between legal stuff, live fire, gun safety, etc.

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