Apologies, Jim Suprica


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gizamo
August 14, 2008, 05:19 PM
I just read the thread that was recently locked.

I've known Jim for a number of years, and can safely say that he is one fine and upstanding gentleman. His credentials and personal integrity are second to none. He has done a yeomans job in helping our common interests. In short, Jim is a good man.

Those that decided to take apart his original post are well known for some of their other dealings. I assume that if that had been known ~ many who simply piled on would have second thoughts.

I consider it vindictive, the manner in which he was painted into a corner. He didn't shy away and answered questions with candor.

Jim was new to this forum and did not get the rules right on his first post. He recognized his error and apologized for the mistake. The behavior of many of the forum members that responded to the thread is simply embarassing to many of the rest of us.

Jim could have been one of the best contributers to this forum, and most certainly would have added the depth of his knowledge ~ expanding our collective goal of sharing information...

I hope that he will someday give the rest of us a 2nd chance, and occasionally post in THR....

So Jim, from the bottom of my heart ~ please do not allow yourself to be chased off by the few....when so many of the others would be proud to be associated with you on this forum....

I am truly sorry to see your treatment at the hands of a few small minded individuals ....

Giz

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machinisttx
August 14, 2008, 05:59 PM
what did I miss?

Edit--

I tend to call things like I see them, however I will refrain from posting my opinion of exactly what happened with that thread and any transactions arising from it--with one exception. If anyone expects an auctioneer to physically inspect each and every item he sells when literally hundreds of items are involved, he is a fool and should be avoided by one and all in any business transactions.

Thernlund
August 14, 2008, 06:09 PM
I am at a loss to determine which thread gizamo is referring to.


-T.


EDIT: I've found the thread. I don't want to post it as it isn't my place I think. Gizamo should post a link if he feels it appropriate.

Seems to me Jim was only having an issue with one member, with only a single negative "mention" by another. Not really a pile on. And the thread definitely should have been closed long before it actually was. As well, though no fault of Jim's, those types of threads should be disallowed as evidenced by the way it turned out.

FCFC
August 14, 2008, 06:23 PM
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=379024

Gunnerpalace
August 14, 2008, 06:33 PM
Could comment on that, I wont, I'll just quote : "things happened gradually...then suddenly".

Cosmoline
August 14, 2008, 06:37 PM
This is a whole lot of fuss over nothing.

gizamo
August 14, 2008, 06:46 PM
Thernlund,

No disagreement about the disallowing the thread. Jim's first post, and again ~ he realized his mistake to late...

But there is a great history behind two of the cast of characters that responded. And that is what I take great acception to.

When I see a contributer taken to task by persons of low moral characterr, then I have to make comment.

Jim has done more for our interests through organizations like the NRA, publication of exhaustive research, or simply by being a positive spokesman for gun owners ~~~

It irks me, that anyone would attempt to tarnish his reputation and good works.......

Giz

Thernlund
August 14, 2008, 06:49 PM
Do you know Jim personally (or just professionally)? Have you spoken to him about this?


-T.

Nate C.
August 14, 2008, 06:52 PM
In before the lock...

gizamo
August 14, 2008, 06:59 PM
T,

Jim gave me advice and helped me to do research on a gun that belonged to a Tunnel Rat in VN. He helped me sort throught the difference between intrinsic value and historic documentation. He was unselfish with both his time and advise to someone who had never gone down this path before. In the end, I met the gent that owned the gun. He was paralyized and in a wheelchair with ALS, similiar to Lou Gehrigs disease time about 5.

Jim gave me the understanding as to how to approach the man and his former gun. And the care and understanding as to how to pursue the conversation....

Your call,

Would you call him a friend?

And No....my friend......

No reason to involve Jim ...

I just have his back.....


Giz

Thernlund
August 14, 2008, 07:08 PM
I see.

If you did not discuss this with Jim, and we have no reason to think Jim has been "run off", then I agree with Cosmoline. This is much ado about nothing.

It's nice that you have his back. Everybody can use backup. But at this point, you don't know that he even needs backup. He may have sorted the whole thing and not given it another thought.


-T.

paintballdude902
August 14, 2008, 07:13 PM
giz-
while in dont know jim i just want to say thank you for standing up for him and being a man about something that many others wouldnt

thanks alot for doing the right thing on a place(the internet) where many others think that anything goes and it doesnt matter

gizamo
August 14, 2008, 07:15 PM
T....

Good and reasonable words....

Friends and good people are worth defending, and by saying nothing we diminish what they mean to us....

Nuff said....
I will back off....

Giz

Old Fuff
August 14, 2008, 07:24 PM
First I will mention that I consider Jim Supica a friend, and have done a fair amount of business with him over the years, and never, ever, been disappointed with what I received.

He is well known at some of the most prestigious firearms shows held in this country, and well respected by his peers. To some members of this forum he is best known as the co-author of Standard Catalog of Smith & Wesson, that is used so often to identify the approximate date of manufacture of S&W handguns, and answer other questions concerning Smith & Wesson products and history. Should he now leave our ranks we will have lost an outstandingly valuable authority in the area of collectable Smith & Wesson.

Apparently there are some who do not understand that items sold at auctions are on consignment, that all sales are final, and that such goods are sold on the basis of "as is." Buyers that attend the auction in person usually have an opportunity to inspect the goods. Outside bidders probably cannot, but this is a risk they choose to take, as the rules are clearly stated in the auction catalog or on the auction's Internet site. Obviously this isn't a perfect system, and there are some risks involved. Those who are unwilling to understand and accept those risks can avoid them by not involving themselves in auction buying.

It is regrettable that auctions, such as the one being held at www.armsbid.com cannot be advertised, or at least announced in some way on The High Road, because they provide a way for those who don't live in areas well populated with retail shops or other face-to-face buying opportunities to find and purchase popular or collectable firearms that would otherwise be unavailable to them. I personally consider the opportunity to be worth what is in my view a minimal risk.

Last but not least, I fully agree with what gizamo said in the first post, and to say in closing that Jim still has a 5-star recommendation from the Old Fuff.

JimmerJammerMrK
August 14, 2008, 07:30 PM
Is making threads about locked threads against the rules?

Old Fuff
August 14, 2008, 07:47 PM
Is making threads about locked threads against the rules?

I donít think so, but a lot depends on how those who participate and post in the second thread conduct themselves. Rules concerning behavior always apply, and if the current thread should go south it will likely be closed too. In the end that choice is up to a moderator.

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