Quick Detachable--How Important?
Skunkabilly
September 2, 2003, 01:05 PM
Are quick detachable mounts considered a 'requirement' for tactical purposes? I was thinking about mounting an Eotech to my SLB2000 and maybe on a shotgun, but I don't think they will cowitness with the sights as I won't be able to use them.
Should I go for an Aimpoint with QD rings instead?
Right now I have a variable power scope for my SLB and not sure if I should get the ARMS rings or the regular $30 not QD, not repeatable zero rings.
Edited to add: BTW Eotechs are NOT quick detachable, correct? I want to make sure I'm not mistaken....
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TaxPhd
September 2, 2003, 03:17 PM
On my AR, I have an Aimpoint in a Railgrabber mount. I also have a 4-12x44 scope in an ARMS #5 quick detach base for the same rifle. Time to swap is about 30 seconds. The rifle is sub MOA with the regular scope and the right loads. After swapping around, almost no change to POI. I highly recommend this setup.
Scott
Poodleshooter
September 2, 2003, 03:37 PM
I'd suppose it depends on how reliable your scope or batteries for said scope are.
If the scope fails, you'd better have a QD setup or an allen wrench or screwdriver handy.
TaxPhd
September 2, 2003, 03:39 PM
I did it first and foremost for versatility. Reliablility is a pretty close second. With optics, a backup is nice to have (and I always carry spare batteries).
Scott
Jaywalker
September 2, 2003, 04:05 PM
I chose a different approach to backup sights. Instead of a QD remove/replace, I went with a Rock River Tactical (there's that word, Skunk!) Carry Handle, as shown here. (http://www.sableco.net/id23.htm)
There are several advantages to this approach. First, the RRA TCH/rail puts the sight at the right level (on an AR-15) for proper viewing). Second, the Aimpoint Comp ML2 with the CET ddiode is reputed to have 10,000 hours of battery life at half power (some people just leave them on all of the time). Third, it's extremely sturdy. Fourth, and finally, if the power switch is off, you can see through the Aimpoint and align the front and rear iron sights.
With your new rifle, this approach isn't feasible, but if you ever have an AR (again?), it's a really good approach.
For my non-ARs, I like a back-up set of iron sights in case I have to remove the scope. This isn't strictly tactical, it's more a recognition that I can (and have) dropped my rifle on the scope while hunting. If I believe there's a chance that it's no longer in zero, I can remove the scope. As long as I can see over the mounts, something I check ahead of time, I then go with the back-up sights. If you're searching for true interchangeability, this won't be a solution for you, however.
Jaywalker
SelfProclaimedExpert
September 2, 2003, 07:19 PM
You know, there are lot's of mounts out there besides Weaver rails. Some are repeatable, quick, and relatively cheap.
TechBrute
September 2, 2003, 07:45 PM
For true Tacticality, you should have an Aimpoint M2 in an ARMS#22M68 mount. The Aimpoint takes a little training or practice so you get away from the tendancy to use it as a regular scope (both eyes open, as opposed one eye squinting through scope.) I have both the EOTech and the Aimpoint and like them both. The Aimpoint has advantages in battery life, and in an ARMS mount, you can remove it or attach it in less than 2 seconds. The EOTech lends itself to feeling more natural with both eyes open, and there is no depth to it so you feel more open.
I prefer my Aimpoint on my AR because it properly co-witnesses on top of my ARMS#45. I prefer my EOTech on my shotguns, as the reticle feels more natural with a shotgun, too.
CWL
September 2, 2003, 08:05 PM
I LOVE my EOTECHs, have two. However, they need batteries as I found out once just before starting a 3-Gun event. Luckily I had spare batteries, but what if I didn't? What if it was the one time I really needed a carbine for SD purposes?
Get QDs if you can. Just in case.
Skunkabilly
September 3, 2003, 01:48 AM
The FFL paperwork never got to the dealer so my rifle didn't come in today :cuss: :cuss: :cuss:
Anyway I told my dealer to throw in a set of #22 low rings. If I got a higher (medium or high) set of rings, is there a gap that you think I can use the sights without pulling them off, even?
http://www.hecklerkoch-usa.com/pages/civilian/images/slb2k.gif
JShirley
September 3, 2003, 02:06 AM
Jeff,
Can you mount a Weaver rail atop the receiver? If so, perhaps you can mount flip-up sight behind the optic. (I personally think this is a better option than quick-detach, anyway.)
John
Skunkabilly
September 3, 2003, 02:14 AM
John, yeah I got the Wevaer rail...and I thought about doing the flip-up route but what am I gonna do about the front sight? :confused: :(
TechBrute
September 3, 2003, 08:15 AM
The #22 ARMS probably wouldn't have a gap that you could use. They have tiny little cutouts that you can see through, but they aren't very big and I doubt they'd co-witness the sights very well.
JShirley
September 3, 2003, 10:54 PM
Wonder how much taller your front sight would need to be to work with flip-up irons?
Tamara
September 4, 2003, 02:28 AM
Anyway I told my dealer to throw in a set of #22 low rings. If I got a higher (medium or high) set of rings, is there a gap that you think I can use the sights without pulling them off, even?
Ewwww! See-through rings on an HK? That's not tactical, that's just tacky. ;)
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