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CombatArmsUSAF
August 14, 2008, 11:03 PM
I recently received my PCS orders to Lackland AFB, TX. When I originally seen my orders, I assumed I would be working with the basic trainees, tech school students,etc.. But I looked into the unit I am stationed with, and it turns out to be the USAF Gunsmith Shop. In my world, it doesn't get any better than that.

Anyways, I hope to get involved with IPSC/USPSA while I am down there and would like a few references to a reputable club down there in San Antonio.

Also, What are the best shops to do business with?? (FFL transfer fees, ammo/gun prices, etc)

Do any counties in TX require federal registration?

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SFvet
August 14, 2008, 11:13 PM
Right on brother :cool: Security Forces hoah lol. Combat Arms - the heart and soul hehehe. I was 91st SFS - wished I had a good base lol.

CombatArmsUSAF
August 14, 2008, 11:22 PM
When were you 91st?? I was there 2001-2005.

Why not Minot??? Freezin' is the reason.

marktx
August 15, 2008, 06:35 AM
Nagel's guns is a great shop in town, some of the prices are great some are not but they aren't outrageous on anything and their selection is outstanding.

Dury's is another good shop with an excellent variety of firearms.

Both can be found on the internet for directions :)

Sylvan-Forge
August 15, 2008, 09:09 AM
CombatArmsUSAF, enjoy your new digs!

Rains like heck at times and winters can get into your bones due to the humidity. Other than that, it was a decent base as I remember it.

I used the A1 for training & qual in '92 .. I wonder if they're still using 'em? :p


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sacp81170a
August 15, 2008, 09:30 AM
Good old Lackland. I went through basic in December of '79 and the Security Police Academy in the spring of 1980. Then off to Camp Bullis for Air Base Ground Defense and on to good old F.E. Warren, 90th Security Police Group, 89th MSS. Went back to Lackland for EST school in '84 and Bullis for the ABGD NCO course in '86. I liked San Antonio but I spent more time out in the hill country than I did in town.

Man, that was over 20 years ago. Good luck!

ZMP_CTR
August 15, 2008, 09:31 AM
I thought SF was Special Forces.

CombatArmsUSAF
August 15, 2008, 10:45 AM
It also stands for Security Forces, which is what Security Police is called now.

Also, Thanks to those that have posted. I await everybody else's input

DaleA
August 15, 2008, 11:06 AM
If CombatArmsUSAF (a contradiction of terms???) did a tour in "Why Not Minot" ND I think he'll be able to laugh at a San Antonio winter. (Although you might have something there in regard to the humidity. The -20 Minot winters are a "dry" cold...:D.)

There's also a big Army base there, Fort Sam Houston, home of Brooke Army Medical Hospital and 'the largest and most important military medical training facility in the world.'
http://www.samhouston.army.mil/pdf/FSHBackground.pdf

There used to be a joke that San Antonio was where old colonels went to die. The climate is pretty nice there are some NICE golf courses on the Army and Air Force bases in the area and of course the medical facilities are top notch.

Good luck, take in the city's river walk and get up to Austin once in a while for the music.

P.S. Thank you for your service.

jkingrph
August 15, 2008, 12:29 PM
CombatarmsUSAF, how is Incirlick these days . I managed to spend a few days TDY there back in the early 70's. Was stationed at Izmir, lived downtown, worked downtown, and was probably the best duty I had in my service time.

SWC Bonfire
August 15, 2008, 12:34 PM
Heard good things about Dury's from several people, including my Father-in-law.

I have gone into Nagel's one time. I won't be back because their prices were outrageously high and they acted like they couldn't be bothered to deal with me, even though I bought something.

Welcome to South Texas. There's a bass pro on the NW side of town and a Cabelas on the way to Austin.

Ragnar Danneskjold
August 15, 2008, 12:38 PM
CombatarmsUSAF? Isn't that an oxymoron?

CombatArmsUSAF
August 15, 2008, 12:44 PM
Is not what it used to be, Operation Northern Watch ended and now the turk military think they can push us around. This used to be a great assignment when ONW was going on, and the dollar was worth 1,000,000 Turkish Lira. Now the dollar is damn near even with the Lira between the new lira and the falling US Dollar.

Overall, My wife and I are glad to be leaving this place in a few months.

CombatArmsUSAF
August 15, 2008, 12:48 PM
Combat Arms is my job, and the old days of the AF not being involved with conflicts are long gone. Most of our deployments now are actually ARMY taskings that they can't fill.

Even in the old days, there was nothing a grunt welcomed more than that close air support they had called in to gain the initiative in a gun fight. Most of which, was provided by?? You guessed it, The United States Air Force.

Josh Aston
August 15, 2008, 12:52 PM
Wouldn't want to arrange a base swap by any chance would you?

Bufford t. Justice
August 15, 2008, 12:56 PM
I know us grunts always welcomed the sight of you flyboys wizzin overhead to help supress the baddies. Another thank you from a grateful Marine.

CombatArmsUSAF
August 15, 2008, 12:57 PM
Sorry, but this is a once in a career opportunity for me. Plus, actually meeting the criteria to be able to do that is dang near impossible. Same grade, same AFSC or SEI, Same DEROS,etc....


Hoo-Rah!!! Bufford!!!

Josh Aston
August 15, 2008, 01:01 PM
I know it's a once in a career opportunity. It's just a pipedream for me anyway seeing as I've got another 2 years before my DEROS. But, hey, I can dream, right?

CombatArmsUSAF
August 15, 2008, 01:04 PM
Josh- At least your stationed in one of the most gun friendly states there is. I haven't even touched my guns in over two years.

springmom
August 15, 2008, 01:11 PM
Federal registration? My friend, you're coming to the Republic of Texas. We don't need no steeenkin' federal registration......

Enjoy your time here. San Antonio has cool stuff to do; and you're coming just in time for the Texans' season, so come down to Houston some weekend and watch them play. Get up to Austin for the music and UT football (if you can get a ticket...good luck on that....)

And you're even coming at the END of the summer. There'll only be oh, 3 more hot months..... :evil:

Springmom

CombatArmsUSAF
August 15, 2008, 01:21 PM
I can't go to a longhorn's game, I am a bucks fan (OSU) OH---IO.

crew590
August 15, 2008, 01:38 PM
I just wanted to pop in and say thanks for your service.

Oh yeah and I also wanted to say I'm sorry you had to go to OSU. ;)

I am a bucks fan (OSU) OH---IO.

Go Mountaineers (WVU) :neener:

Jay

D-Day
August 15, 2008, 02:42 PM
Right on, CombatArms. Good to hear, and thanks for the service.

Go Buckeyes. O-H... I-O.

john917v
August 15, 2008, 02:57 PM
Hey, CombatArms, welcome to the slice of heaven known as San Antonio! The people here are friendly, the water is among the best in the country, really, and this may be a bit far for you, but check out the Bullet Hole shooting range. It's an outdoor range, with about 7 covered benches on a raised deck, with 100, and 300-yd distances, a pistol-only field, and about 2 45-yd fields. It's $10.50 for the first visit, then $7 after that. I've heard of Nagels. And, Powderhorn.

Also, thanks for serving. Thanks to everyone else who serves, or has served.

Samuel Adams
August 15, 2008, 03:16 PM
+1,000,000 for USAF Cops.

ashtxsniper
August 15, 2008, 03:20 PM
Nagels is overpriced on everything. Go to the Powderhorn or Drury's for better prices. Also there is at least one gun show a month in San Antonio.

AirForceShooter
August 15, 2008, 03:49 PM
There used to be a really cool name for the combat arms guys. I know.
The Army and Marine guys really do love us. Even if we build swimming pools.
Why do you think we bring in Buff strikes? The pool, the pool.
And if you ever hear of a guy in a weather squadron don't ask him about a forecast. He doesn't have a clue.

Yeah, I have Master Jump Wings and the damn USAF won't let me wear a CIB even though the Army awarded me one.

AFS

Rokyudai
August 15, 2008, 04:25 PM
Welcome (soon) to San Antonio!

I would definitely recommend Dury's. I have bought over $5,000 worth of goods there. The service is friendly and knowledgeable. They also have a decent selection of firearms and supplies. Not that you will need one...they have about 4 smiths working there. They did a great job on my 1911.

I can't recommend Nagels. I have also had bad customer service experiences and prices are yikes.

As for IDPA, USPSA, 3 gun etc...you may look into a local range called Bullethole. I'm a member there. You can't beat the price of membership and a just a good bunch of folks.

http://www.bullethole.com/

I believe one of the owner's is a member here though can't remember her handle.

Gottahaveone
August 15, 2008, 05:05 PM
sacp81170a
Good old Lackland. I went through basic in December of '79 and the Security Police Academy in the spring of 1980. Then off to Camp Bullis for Air Base Ground Defense

THAT brought back so many memories that it made my head hurt :p
I did basic in Mar 1979, then LE and Bullis, then 3 more months for K-9 before I got shipped off to Guam........

sacp81170a
August 15, 2008, 05:25 PM
Aha! A puppy pusher! Arf arf, baby! When we did the GLCM OSAP exercise in '88 with the 10th Special Forces guys out of Bad Tolz, they didn't know we had a dog handler in the field with us. Too bad for them. It don't matter how stealthy you are, you ain't gonna beat the dog and his nose. :evil:

msgttbar
August 15, 2008, 05:37 PM
I was at Lackland in 74 for a tech school (2 weeks) and again for NCO Academy in 80. Enjoyed both stays even though they were TDY and short lived. Retired in 84.

GEM
August 15, 2008, 06:13 PM
Dury's is much more friendly.

If you are interested in ranges, competitions in the area:

1. www.krtraining.com
2. www.rivercityshooters.org
3. www.texastactical.net

They also have links to other clubs. A fair number of service people come out to shoot. Plus, the grizzled old vets of wars past.

macadore
August 15, 2008, 06:57 PM
Welcome to San Antonio. My uncle went through Lackland during WWII and my son went through a few years ago. My son said the M16’s he trained on there were single shots. One shot, clear the jam, on shot, clear the jam. Must be a new design.

San Antonio is the most military friendly place I have ever been. We sincerely appreciate military personnel and what they do. We have a long summer and no winter. We also have a lot of inexpensive entertainment. Downtown is interesting and so are the Missions. The people here love to party and will celebrate anything. Port Aransas is three hours away and Galveston is four hours. The water at Port Aransas is cleaner but there is more to do in Galveston. Mexico is three hours away. I realize there are some people that do not like Mexico, but I have always enjoyed it.

I use Nagel’s for my gunsmithing, but they can be arrogant. Nagle’s occasionally has a deal on new stuff, but not often. I buy my new stuff from Sportsman’s’ Warehouse. There is a large Cabela’s between San Antonio and Austin, and a Bass Pro in San Antonio. I also shoot at The Bulletthole. It is not far from Lackland. They will do ffl transfers and class 3 as well. The people there are really nice. The gun shows here are pretty lame.

I like your signature lines.

Realbigo
August 15, 2008, 07:01 PM
CombatarmsUSAF? Isn't that an oxymoron?
Yes, it certainly is

csmkersh
August 15, 2008, 07:29 PM
CombatarmsUSAF, I think you'll like your duty here. You may get a chance at the same training Charlie Petty received there 20 plus years back.

I avoid Nagel's. As already mentioned, they can be arrogant. What hasn't been mentioned is they are also over-priced. Dury's on the South-side or Don's on the North are where I do business. Laurie, at Don's, is a very knowledgeable person. Don is a gunsmith and bull shipper. Bass Pro just north of Loop 1604 has a gun room (don't let the prices scare you) and regular gun department in the sporting goods section.

If you live near Lackland, The Bullet Hole will be the closest civilian range to you. I don't know what Lackland's policies are for off duty personnel and range access. Camp Bullis has a military range but a long drive from Lackland compared to The Bullet Hole.

SFvet
August 15, 2008, 07:35 PM
When were you 91st?? I was there 2001-2005.

Why not Minot??? Freezin' is the reason.
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Yes sir - why not Minot freezin's the reason LOL
I was there about the same time man haha 91 SFG

sacp81170a
August 15, 2008, 08:54 PM
Why not Minot??? Freezin' is the reason

Hey, at least you weren't at F.E. Burn 'em. My old OPS Superintendent, SMSgt Ron Johnson had all his notepads stamped with the SAC armored fist logo, complete with the olive branches, lightning bolts, and a pair of *ahem* "family jewels" hanging from its grasp. The motto beneath read: "To err is human, to forgive is not SAC policy." :D

All this talk about Camp Bullis makes me want to run out and jump in a patch of prickly pears and then roll around on a fire ant hill... NOT!!! ;)

SFvet
August 15, 2008, 09:03 PM
LOL ya man I have heard that FE was about as bad as Mindrot :neener:

jkingrph
August 15, 2008, 09:13 PM
Is not what it used to be, Operation Northern Watch ended and now the turk military think they can push us around. This used to be a great assignment when ONW was going on, and the dollar was worth 1,000,000 Turkish Lira. Now the dollar is damn near even with the Lira between the new lira and the falling US Dollar.

Overall, My wife and I are glad to be leaving this place in a few months.

We were there '72-'74. Exchange rate was 13 Lira to the dollar.

In the spring of 74 the Turks invaded Greek Cyprus. I have to give them credit, at the time they got some senior NCO's to act as witnesses and gathered all the Greek NATO staff members , packed their goods and arranged transport back to Greece with no harm to them or their possessions.

I enjoyed the tour. Wild boar hunting in the mountains was good, and dove shooting was excellent(if I could gotten away with it the balcony of my apartment would have been a perfect blind) The doves there were much larger than ours. Duck and goose hunting was good at a lake about 90 miles NE of Izmir. I have never seen so many birds as there.

Relations seemed to cool a bit after the Cyprus invasion and some friends who stayed an extra year were later regretting the extension. I understand it has changed quite a bit in the 35 years since I was there, nevertheless I would like to return to see how things have changed.

CombatArmsUSAF
August 15, 2008, 11:37 PM
I have looked into some of the hunting around here, but that got squashed right away. The local police chief wanted $100 for a "PERMIT" per trip and then $25 a bird or $50 for a hog.

I do honestly believe that we would have enjoyed it more here, had we been allowed to live on the local economy. We haven't been allowed to live off base here for years. In a few years, I might consider coming back to Izmir on an unaccompanied tour. Different area and a completely different experience than here at Incirlik. Adana is like the armpit of Turkey.

Once again, Thanks to all of those that posted, whether it pertains to my original post or not. I have had a good time chatting with you guys and gals.

ColinthePilot
August 16, 2008, 02:56 AM
I actually just PCSed out of Randolph. I know Nagels Guns on San Pedro Ave is a pretty nice shop. Prices are halfway decent from what I remember, even though I only bought 1 gun there. I know the Bracken range and Bexar Community Shooting Range are both good places, but they're on the opposite side of town from you. I know about a place over there near Lackland called the Bullet Hole but I never got over there to check it out.

TexKettering
August 16, 2008, 02:52 PM
Nagel's guns is a great shop in town, some of the prices are great some are not but they aren't outrageous on anything and their selection is outstanding.

Dury's is another good shop with an excellent variety of firearms.

Both can be found on the internet for directions

I've heard good things about Dury's but I can't stand going to Nagel's.

Outrageous prices, cramped store, and horrible attitudes from employees. Too snobbish for me.

TexKettering
August 16, 2008, 02:53 PM
Bullet Hole is also a good place to do FFL transfers if you buy online/out of state. $20 flat rate fee.

Nate C.
August 16, 2008, 09:06 PM
Welcome to God's Country. Santone is a good place to be. Enjoy!

Duke Junior
August 16, 2008, 10:04 PM
I was stationed there at Fort Sam for 2 years.
You are a lucky man.Great town,great people,lots to do.
Enjoy.You're in Texas.

jkingrph
August 16, 2008, 10:06 PM
have looked into some of the hunting around here, but that got squashed right away. The local police chief wanted $100 for a "PERMIT" per trip and then $25 a bird or $50 for a hog.

Back in my day hogs were vermin and they welcomed our hunting them. We had a local Turkish citizen, acutally from Malta who was our "guide, coordinater" , handling location hiring beaters & dogs. for driven hunts. My first trip back into those mountains was rough for a flatlander from Louisiana.

We hunted doves near graineries just outside town. We would pull up, get out into field and start shooting, no problems.

The wife and I would go camping with another family, usually picking a spot on a uninhabited beach on Friday afternoons and be alone until late Sat when the Turk beachgoers arrived and never had any problems, but that was years ago.

Izimir was the only place we lived where we would feel safe walking across town, taking back streets, very late at night. I never heard of any crime, and only saw one instance where a Turkish man had snatched a Turkish womans purse and she was chasing him. This was the morning we returned to the USA.

We had made friends with an antique merchat, a nice university educated very formal young man. He learned of my interest in firearms and hid one away in his shop to show me on my next trip down to the old marketplace. It was some kind of early snaphance(sp) with a lot of silver and gold wire inlays as well as mother of pearl. He said it was to be his retirement and this gentleman was only in his early '30's so he had something of very high value there.

I hope you got to visit the Topki museum in Istanbul , or can stop by on your way back to the states. It is well worth the visit and has quite a few interesting firearms on display. That , the Blue Mosque, St Sophia, and the covered bazare are all very interesting.

Mr Kablammo
August 17, 2008, 12:53 AM
Okey dokey, as an USAF brat, former resident of Santone, and current resident of Austin, TX I have to jump in. Here are some other good clubs to become involved with for CenTex shooting competitions.

www.alsppc.org www.asscsa.com www.texassteelcompetition.com www.alpha-mike-shooters.cjb.net www.sagunclub.com

Also, Randolph Air Force Base has a trap and skeet club. Unfortunately I have never shot there as after 9/11 I am too afrighted to go on base with a trunk full of shotguns. The staff at RAFB have assured me that it is 'no problem' to go on base to shoot trap. But no-way am I going to risk my freedom on the say-so of a voice on the phone.

Welcome to Texas, friend. I am sure that you, like many others, will find the sense to call this great state home after retirement.

Wakal
August 17, 2008, 12:16 PM
I am stationed at Lackland right now, and am an active 3-gun and IPSC competitor. I also have a FFL and a range at my house. Damn, I love Texas :)

I just got here from Ankara (where I lived on the economy ;) ) a year ago. Let me know if you need anything!


Alex

Acera
August 17, 2008, 02:26 PM
Less than a month until dove season. Find your map and you will see that you are close to Hondo and Ulvalde. You ought to be able to find a lot of cheap trips for birds. The weather is still good enough to grab a couple of six packs and float the Frio. Shopping is a couple hours away down HWY 90 in Ciudad Acuna, just across the River from Del Rio. (too bad you are married, there are some other special things there also :) )



Good Luck, and Welcome to Texas.

CombatArmsUSAF
August 17, 2008, 09:43 PM
LMAO Thanks again for everyone who's responded. It sounds like I have alot to look forward to.

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