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lookn4varmints
August 15, 2008, 07:01 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1045122/Police-fight-war-gun-crime--giving-young-boy-machine-gun.html#

Police fight war on gun crime - by giving young boy a machine gun
By Andrew Levy
Last updated at 8:22 AM on 15th August 2008

It is a pose with disturbing echoes of child soldiers in war-torn Third World countries.

A young boy holds a submachine gun across his chest, his fingers hovering over the trigger.

The youngster got his hands on the Heckler & Koch MP5 quite legitimately - the police handed it to him at a summer fete.

They say such a stunt helps to raise awareness among children about the dangers of weapons. And they intend to repeat it elsewhere.


But MPs and anti-violence campaigners yesterday condemned it as a 'foolish' initiative that will help only to glamorise guns.

The German-built 9mm weapon - which can fire at a rate of 800 rounds per minute - was on display at a community fair in Limehouse, East London, on Sunday.

In the UK the gun is used by the Specialist Firearm Command of the Metropolitan Police, known as CO19, the Police Service of Northern Ireland and the SAS.

It was displayed by armed officers on a stall which also had a SWAT-style helmet, bullet-proof shield and body armour.


The officers also had pistols strapped to their legs, although the ammunition clips had been removed.


A crowd of interested children get the chance to hold the gun and try on a SWAT style helmet and body armour at the community fair in Limehouse, East London


Dozens of children were allowed to pick up the deactivated submachine gun and wield it as friends and family took photographs.

The event was held less than a mile from where 36-year-old carer Curtis Smith was gunned down outside a nightclub in Tower Hamlets last month.


He was shot three times by a weapon thought to be a submachine gun as he took a wheelchair-bound man for a night out on July 27.

Jim Fitzpatrick, Poplar and Canning Town Labour MP, said: 'Giving-young children real guns is inappropriate.


'It could be glamorising the weapons and creating familiarity which is plainly wrong.'

Respect MP George Galloway, who represents Bethnal Green and Bow, said: 'The foolish display at this festival can serve only to normalise firearms or make them appear attractive, even glamorous.

'We are tragically used to seeing images of primary school aged boys handling assault rifles in Liberia or Mogadishu, but in Limehouse?'


Lyn Costello, co-founder of charity Mothers Against Murder and Aggression, said: 'I'm shocked. The police are working so hard against gun crime and this is a serious error of judgment.'

Superintendant Andy Tarrant, from the Metropolitan Police's CO19 firearms unit, stressed that there had never been any risk to the public at the fete.

'None of the weapons was able to be fired,' he said. 'They are all completely deactivated.


'We wanted to convey to the kids that although this weapon is deactivated, if you point it at a police officer they wouldn't know that.

'This is an ongoing programme and the whole idea behind what we do is to divert people away from gun crime.


'We've done this kind of thing in other places and it's been very successful. We will continue doing it in future.'

A Met Police spokesman said it was 'completely wrong' to suggest the initiative glamorised guns.

Lots of moronic statements by the journalist and political critters in this article. I'd really like to know what the police are saying to the youths. "Teaching them about gun violence" is far too vague to say whether or not the children are getting good lessons. I hope the kids are being taught safe handling, etc., but I'm not betting on it. Check out the pics at the link.

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Chipperman
August 15, 2008, 08:06 PM
Hope for the UK?

Not for the next couple of generations at least.

DoubleTapDrew
August 15, 2008, 08:10 PM
I think it shows how far gone they are. The thing was deactivated and they were freaked out. The cops had to carry unloaded handguns.
Maybe they just wanted to get kids interested in getting into law enforcement at an early age, because becoming a cop or a criminal is the only way they'll get to fire the real thing.

AntiqueCollector
August 15, 2008, 08:48 PM
I don't know, if children were to get interested in guns they just may oppose some of the restrictions there. The government there obviously doesn't want firearms to even be considered normal...

lookn4varmints
August 15, 2008, 09:40 PM
I don't know, if children were to get interested in guns they just may oppose some of the restrictions there. The government there obviously doesn't want firearms to even be considered normal...

I'll go one step further with your great point, AntiqueCollector. The kids ALREADY have that interest and curiosity regarding guns; the male kids do anyway. The ruling classes know this and yet they actively work to do the impossible and suppress that curiosity instead of offering sensible education on the matter. The concept of reverse psychology is lost on the ruling class. They demonize firearms to the point that the children can't help but be further interested in them instead of working to remove the mystique surrounding lawful gun ownership.

The UK would do itself a great favor by introducing firearms-handling instruction coupled with personal responsibility and accountability lessons into their school curriculum, but that is a high improbability.

Crunker1337
August 15, 2008, 09:49 PM
I dunno, this whole thing seems to be to spread the fear of guns, not the knowledge how to responsibly use them.

Calibre44
August 16, 2008, 11:28 AM
This is a typical example of ‘you can’t do right for doing wrong!’

And don’t listen to anything MP George Galloway has to say – before the Gulf War he went to Iraq and was photographed shaking Saddam Hussein’s hand and telling him what a wonderful man he is! – pratt!!:mad:

lookn4varmints
August 16, 2008, 01:01 PM
I dunno, this whole thing seems to be to spread the fear of guns, not the knowledge how to responsibly use them.

I think the journalist still has no clue as to what is happening in this instance and he/she just created a faux crisis in order to advance an anti-gun agenda. You're right, Crunker, at first it seems like the police are spreading fear, but then they are allowing folks to pose for pictures with the MP5s. There's a contradictory message!

Another issue would be, why would the police want kids to be in total fear of the tools the police are carrying?

EXAMPLE:
kid fears gun + kid sees cop with gun + kid fears cop because of gun= kid w/ damp Spiderman jammies

lookn4varmints
August 16, 2008, 01:11 PM
And don’t listen to anything MP George Galloway has to say – before the Gulf War he went to Iraq and was photographed shaking Saddam Hussein’s hand and telling him what a wonderful man he is! – pratt!!

Yea, Galloway is a loon to the nth degree. I'm trying to remember what he was doing on TV once....he was in a unitard for something quite adult in nature. According to Wiki, it may have been something related to Celebrity Big Brother. He's full of over-the-top antics.

This makes me question the journalist even more. Why seek the opinion of the UK's most well-known lunatic?

Irwin
August 16, 2008, 01:55 PM
Whats the big deal if they got to hold a unloaded mp5? When I was younger and Dad was posted to R.A.F Buchan (closed down in 2003 if I rember correctly) they used to have a open day on the sport field about 200m away from my house so me and my friends allways went and you got to hold L85's lsw's, gimpys and even a deact millan.

Though we allways used to run around the village playing armies with toy guns and amasingly no one called the police and no one has gone on to be a mass murderer(what I know of :D )

With many things it boils down to young males will allways be fasinated by guns is as natrual as honey. Im fed up of people who continually force there views on the young and dont let them think for them selfs. Growing up my dad wasnt anti gun or pro gun, but he didnt mind my fasination with guns he never shouted at me for it (my mum on the other hand but that your mum for you) As far as Im concerned there is no hope for the uk as it is and thats not because people are mainly anti gun its that they never get to see the positive sides of firearms they allways see the negatives, but the situation wont mend its self each one of us has to do our part in promoting firearms through positive actions.

Irwin

PeteRR
August 17, 2008, 12:27 AM
When I was 18, I went to a street fair. The local base, McGuire AFB had a table staffed by their base security. They let me hold an M-60. That sucker was heavy. :D Somehow, I managed to avoid a life of crime. :evil:

DoubleTapDrew
August 17, 2008, 12:39 AM
^ Same here. About 10 years old on a cub scouts field trip at the local national guard armory. Held a M-16, M-60, 1911, and a LAW (already fired, of course). They weren't deactivated, just empty. They even showed us youngins how to operate each. None of us became blood-thirsty criminals.

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