The Poor Man's Survival Arsenal


PDA






JackBurtonJr
August 16, 2008, 11:34 PM
...a basic three gun survival arsenal (http://thesurvivalistblog.blogspot.com/2008/08/poor-man-survival-arsenal.html) for less then $350 bucks.

If you enjoyed reading about "The Poor Man's Survival Arsenal" here in TheHighRoad.org archive, you'll LOVE our community. Come join TheHighRoad.org today for the full version!
Loomis
August 16, 2008, 11:45 PM
That article is a little optimistic.

to really stay under 350, you need to go with a monkey wards model 35 pumpgun, a rusty 8mm mauser with a cracked stock, and an Astra 6 shot revolver.

ColinthePilot
August 16, 2008, 11:47 PM
I like it. I've always thought of my M38 Mosin as a SHTF weapon, and I have ammo for it accordingly. Its cheap, dead reliable, and pretty accurate, even in my hands.
I would have to agree with one of the comments posted on the article, that a .22LR rifle is also a necessity. You can carry litterally thousands of rounds of ammo for the same or less weight as a hundred or so for the mosin or the shotgun he mentions.
I haven't researched it much, but I've never seen a Smith & Wesson for $200. Granted, I'm not much of a revolver guy, but I did some brief research recently for a decent .357Mag wheel gun and found everything with a S&W stamped on the side to be 400-500 on the low end. I'd love to learn more about this model 10.
In a SHTF situation, I'll also be carrying my SKS. Again, its dead reliable, not quite as accurate as the mosin, but for rate of fire and ammo availability, it can't be beat.
But we're getting out of the $350 price range here.

Duke Junior
August 16, 2008, 11:48 PM
I think Jacks "arsenal" can be had for under $350 with careful shopping.I like it,too.

memphisjim
August 16, 2008, 11:54 PM
mosin nagant
nef single shot 12 gauge
ruger 10/22

Bartkowski
August 16, 2008, 11:59 PM
Sure you could do it for under $350, but if you are going to defend yourself you should get the best you can afford.

If you can only afford $350 then now you know what you can buy.

I might chose an m44 or m38 over a 91/30 just because they are shorter and handier.

Drgong
August 17, 2008, 12:00 AM
Under 350....

Mosin Rifle - $100
Nagant Revolver - $100
Pawn Shop "special" Shotgun - $150

Starship1st
August 17, 2008, 10:15 AM
Of course you will need to figure another $50.00 for ammo to bring it to $400.00. :cool:

Schutzen
August 17, 2008, 10:34 AM
Gentlemen,
I believe you are approaching this from the wrong angle. If you are looking at STHF weaponry, you need to stick calibers with readily available ammunition for resupply. You can not purchase or carry enough ammunition. If you agree with the above statement, then you need to limit your calibers to the following;
Rifles: .223 Remington/5.56MM
.30-30
.30-06
Handguns: .375/.38 Special
9MM
.40
Shotguns: 12 Gauge

I placed the rifles and handguns in my descending order of preference for availability of ammunition. If the local police force in your area carries a different caliber, you may want to insert it near the top of the list.

7.62X54R and 7.62X39 are not stocked at the local Mom & Pop hardware stores in my area, but they all have .38 Special, 30-30, 30-06, and 12 gauge ammunition. Just my 2Ct's.

Mannlicher
August 17, 2008, 10:51 AM
you would be better served, IMHO, to work a few more hours, or cut out a couple of 6 packs, and use the money to buy more effective weapons. If the survival of you and your family is of any value to you at all, scrimping is suicide.

mnrivrat
August 17, 2008, 11:01 AM
Mosin rifle - 100 (38 or 44)

.22 Rifle - 125 ( Cricket )

20ga. SS -125 (used NEF or simular )

LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
August 17, 2008, 11:08 AM
Mines the same as Memphisjim except that the 10/22 is a Marlin Model 80

Mosin Nagant- ~100 bucks
H&R (NEF) 12 ga. SS- 80 bucks (mine was)
Marlin Model 80- 70 bucks

All for 250. The other 100 dollars goes towards ammunition.

Drgong
August 17, 2008, 11:10 AM
For those who say "you need to get ammo readily avalable"

I can get 4,400 rounds for the mosin for $100 (full can) and that would survive most in a SHTF situation.

Cacique500
August 17, 2008, 11:39 AM
I can get 4,400 rounds for the mosin for $100

I think you mean 440 rounds for $100...if not, lemme know where and I'll buy a 4,400 round can for my stash! ;)

7.62X54R and 7.62X39 are not stocked at the local Mom & Pop hardware stores in my area

Actually, 7.62x54R and 7.62x39 are extremely common calibers in the gun stores , at least down South. For long term SHTF they won't be as readily available, but depending on the scenerio you should be able to pick something else up by then (say in .223 or 30.06 or .308).

TexasRifleman
August 17, 2008, 11:44 AM
7.62X54R and 7.62X39 are not stocked at the local Mom & Pop hardware stores in my area

If the local store is open for you to buy ammo, then you are nowhere near "SHTF" time yet :)

scrat
August 17, 2008, 11:59 AM
Well all i can say is its a good article. I do not agree on his choices though. Except for the shotgun. What i know and what im going to say. Everyone will choose the guns they are familiar with and shoot. if you are familiar with ar15's your a fan of that style gun you will say its a .223. If you shoot 30-06 and have been all your life you will say 30-06. Its natural for us to all do that. Some may say get a 22. as you can get ammo anywhere carry more of it and have way more than anything. We will all have different opinions on this. some may be better than others. In the end though we will all stick with what we know

sprithitler
August 17, 2008, 12:06 PM
If you truly believe the S will H The F and you are at your retreatlocation you should strive to own weapons in every caliber conceivable, because you never know what ammo may turn up for trade.

"Well, you know, that is 10 mm pistol ammo, not many of those around, i guess i could store it to trade later, but it is of no use to me, i will give you five cans of tuna for those five Boxes, take it or leave it" (and all the while you do have a Bren ten in the gun safe just starving for this rare food).
If your budget is these 350$ for guns and another 100$ for ammo you may want to stick with guns with easily available ammo though.

ilbob
August 17, 2008, 12:06 PM
an interesting article. i wouldn't argue with the concept. maybe the choice of rifle. but the artificial price point almost forced it there.

I think a used single shot 12 gauge can probably be acquired for $50 if one looks around enough. $100 for a rifle leaves you $200. I suspect finding a decent model 10 for $200 is going to be tough.

I think I might be inclined to go for a nice 22 rifle in lieu of the handgun, but that was not a choice that was offered.

Drgong
August 17, 2008, 12:58 PM
Actually let me go back to that store next weekend, If I recall correctly it was $10 a box of ten, or a can for $100, but I prob did missread it and it was 440 rounds.

If it is the can, I will buy two and I will tell you where to pick it up.

Still, 440 rounds will let you survive MOST SHTF situations.

goon
August 17, 2008, 03:27 PM
His arsenal is a little optimistic IMO but close to doable.
Locally, I've also seen used Ruger autos in the $250 range - they'd make a decent choice. I've never seen an model 10 for under $200 but I have found DA Colt .38 Specials for a little over $200.
Single barrel shotguns - I got my NEF for about $60. Not a bad choice and pretty versatile, but mine is more of an accesssory than a necessity.
I'd also want a .22 rifle and I'd easily choose it over a shotgun.
In ammo costs alone it works out way better and there isn't really a need for a shotgun if you have a rifle and a handgun IMO.
For the Mosin, I'd say it's a good choice if you can't afford anything else.

On ammo, if you don't have it you don't have it. It doesn't matter if the local walmart has a thousand boxes of 30-30 on the shelves. If the power goes out or the snow storm hits or the hurricane is coming, you're not going to be able to count on getting any ammo from them. A few cans of Mosin ammo may very well be more logical.
I do prefer "common" calibers though just because I can get them easily right now.

scrat
August 17, 2008, 03:55 PM
hahahahahaaha

Kentucky
August 17, 2008, 04:09 PM
I am curios as to why a person in America would not be able to spend more than $350 on a survival arsenal. I can understand why plenty of people wouldnt want to spend more than that if it is their hobby, but if you believe you would need them for survival then get a second part time job for a month and double your money plus some. Or like someone else said, cut something else out of your budget and use the money to enhance your defensive capabilities.

Goblin
August 17, 2008, 04:36 PM
I'd hate to be in an Urban area with only those 3, but if you kept a very low profile I guess you could make it... I haven't seen a used Mod. 10 for less than $275.00!!

TCB in TN
August 17, 2008, 05:22 PM
To be honest if I was going to put all my eggs in a $350 basket then it would be in 1 gun rather than 3. I would get a good pump 12ga with a pistol grip and folding stock, with a couple of barrels. 18in with 00buck for HD/SD/CCW (I know thats pushing it), a 24-30 in smooth bore barrel with 00 up to 7 shot for hunting everything from deer to small game with interchangeable chokes, and a scoped rifled barrel to shoot slugs for long range shooting/hunting/etc. I think you can get it in under the $350 mark and would IMHO give you far more bang for your buck in the SHTF scenario. 1 decent gun with the ability to many things better than the cheap alternatives given in the article. Further more you are only trying to accumulate 1 cal of ammo (even if it serves different purposes).

Cosmoline
August 17, 2008, 05:36 PM
In a real survival situation you're unlikely to be able to carry more than a single long arm and one handgun. Even that will get annoying so a single firearm is ideal. Esp. if your motor vehicle is useless due to flooding or quake damage. The maxim to remember is K.I.S,S. Don't bog yourself down with half a dozen chunks of iron.

To be honest if I was going to put all my eggs in a $350 basket then it would be in 1 gun rather than 3

Exactly. A single 12 ga. or .22 LR is going to be sufficient for all realistic needs.

If you doubt the wisdom of this, there's a very easy way to understand the problem. Just pretend the phones are out, the shops are closed, the roads are down and you need to get 25 miles to the nearest working road to link up with friends. That's exactly he sort of problem people ran into in NOLA. Try carrying your three or four gun arsenal that distance along with your standard BOB.

From my own experiences in the sticks, I would take my trusty CZ ZKM and probably my Colt DS, and leave he rest of the iron locked up or trade it for needed supplies. I can see these immediate roles for a firearm:

--Protection from criminals and looters
--CCW
--Collecting meat
--Signaling

That's it. No zombie hordes involved. The .22 is ideal for snagging small game and poaching larger game. A .30-30 or 12 ga would also work fine.

fireflyfather
August 17, 2008, 05:46 PM
Astra .357 revolver: $100
Mosin Nagant: $100
Pawn Shop 12ga pump: $150

Nothing wrong with any of those guns.

If you reload and have a stock of primers, powder & lead, you can turn the MN into a small game rifle by loading gallery loads, thus eliminating the need for a .22. If you have a gas check maker, you can get the mosin up to a pretty respectable load.

Marlin 45 carbine
August 17, 2008, 05:56 PM
a good .22LR repeater (semi-auto preferred) rifle will do service for a large bore pistol and have longer range also. a good 12ga or 20ga single shot with different size shot shells and slugs will do for any game in lower 48 if you can get close for a good shot. a pistol is fine to have but not required.
these are what I have stored in a somewhat anti-gun family members home that lives in a fairly remote area. along with several 100 rounds and about 100 shells. it's within 3 days walk and my BOB will get me there. me I'm stuck in town but will carry my carbine outta here.

dmxx9900
August 17, 2008, 05:56 PM
I would bring one Remington 870 in 12 gauge and one S&W model 10 and a Bersa .380 with a backpack with all the ammunition and magazines.
$250 for 870 = Most useful for a standard SHTF scenario
$270 for model 10=good for on the move
$250 for Bersa .380=good for backup

In a SHTF you will most likely be at your house defending it not going out and walking 20 miles through a city to a different area.
The National guard or Police will arrest or shoot you if they see you walking down the street with a shotgun you should only have a pistol concealed on you when you are traveling regardless if you are breaking the law not having a carry permit because there is lawlessness and chaos when a bad SHTF happens and police are useless in protecting you and have no obligation too "even if you try to sue the hell out of them for their failure and incompetence to be there when you need them" so its up to you to take care of yourself and family.

Cosmoline
August 17, 2008, 06:00 PM
In a SHTF you will most likely be at your house defending it not going out and walking 20 miles through a city to a different area.

If you're staying at home you can toss the handguns. They're pointless for home defense.

If your home is falling apart around you or water is up to the second floor, then you will have to move whether you want to or not. So you have to decide what you will bring. Maybe just a CCW, maybe a CCW and a small rifle. More than that is going to bog you down.

Match14
August 17, 2008, 06:28 PM
Like other members have stated, I too think that the $350 would be better spent on just two firearms. A pistol and either a shotgun or a rifle would be my choice. I'd try to get a cheap SKS or pump shotgun then spend the remaining on a cheap pistol. The pistol being for times when being seen carrying a long arm might get you in various kinds of trouble.

sprithitler
August 17, 2008, 06:44 PM
Cosmoline, i beg to differ on the uselessnes of handguns for HD use. Of course i would prefer to have a battlerifle in hand for HD, But, you dont always have the choice of hauling a longgun on your back or in your hands, thats why you want to have a handgun in the belt at all waking hours. Always have the Handgun/Longgun combo. If i believe that i will need to leave the house on foot in the city my preffered armament would be a reasonably powerful handgun for CCW, and a easily disassembled .22lr Rifle in the backpack, once i get out from under the eyes of the "law" i can assemble it and carry it on the ready in my hands. Possibly i would even put a assaultrifle type weapon that way in the backpack, A FN FNC is very possible to hide in my 70 litre BOB, if i just could get one legally in Sweden.

Drgong
August 17, 2008, 06:54 PM
I think if you said I needed $350 to outfit yourself I would go with a good shotgun and then a good handgun (or knife) but the OP is asking for a rifle, handgun, and shotgun, which makes for tough choices!

goon
August 17, 2008, 07:04 PM
After thinking this over, I kind of wonder if something like a Ruger Single Six Convertible 22LR/22 Mag and a centerfire rifle wouldn't be a good combo.

The handgun is going to be mainly for defensive use. The .22LR and Magnum can do that but they are also very well suited for small game. Yes, they are underpowered for SD but both also have very real advtages. And they're both lightweight. Magnum ammo isn't so cheap but LR is.
The rifle would need to be of adequate power to reliably punch through stuff, stop larger predators, and take the fight out of anyone trying to hurt you. For this use, an old milsurp isn't a bad choice but I'd probably go with my Marlin 30-30. It's much more handy than most milsurps, much lighter, has a reasonably quick rate of fire, and ammo is available locally. Many manufacturers are even running a promo on ammo right now so stocking up a little is very possible.
When you were finished you'd probably have close to $500 in this pair.
They wouldn't be my ideal for every task but there is a lot you could do with them and in some cases they'd even outshine much more expensive choices fairly easily.
I can also see a good combo with a .357 revolver and a .22 rifle.
Or with a .357 revolver and a centerfire rifle - that would give a good weapon for self defense that could double as a game getter (or a good game getter that makes a great SD gun) and a real rifle for real rifle stuff.

Although shotguns are versatile, what do you really gain by going with one?
With slugs you can probably shoot accurately to 100 yards but you can do that with a rifle at twice that distance without carrying another kind of ammo.
With birdshot they're well suited to small game, arguably better than a .22LR sometimes. But ammo for them is also really heavy and bulky and you get five times as much .22LR for the same amount of money and probably half the weight.
You can use buckshot in them, but why bother?
What does a load of 00 buck do that a round of .30-30 or any other rifle round won't also do?
I have a lot of respect for shotguns but in this capacity, I just don't see the justification to choose one over a a rifle.

I also kind of like this game.
Not everyone can afford a new AR-15 and 2K rounds of ammo for it, even if they did take a second job. Maybe we'll help those people out with this thread.
I know that thinking about things like this also changes my perspective on guns - makes me consider things I might not have thought of before.

doc2rn
August 17, 2008, 07:18 PM
$150~ Marlin mod 60
$90~ NEF 20g/12g
$90~Mossin Revolver
$20~ Ammo

It can be done!

goon
August 17, 2008, 07:28 PM
But why buy a Nagant revolver?
Ammo for them is expensive, hard to find, and anemic. It fills the same role as a .22 handgun but with a lot more cost for ammo.
If the goal is to buy some practical guns to help through tough times or just for GP use, a Nagant revolver is one on of the last guns I'd put on my list.

armoredman
August 17, 2008, 07:45 PM
I have seen Smith Model 10 wheelguns for under $200, actually bought a pair for $200 from a co worker a few years ago, sold both for a hefty profit. I would reccomend going one rifle, like an SKS, with light weight stock, etc, and a sidearm. That's just me.

doc2rn
August 17, 2008, 09:15 PM
The only Revolver in that price range that I came across on a quick search. You would not be using the pistol as a primary in most SHTF situations anyway.
I know there are one or two others and the versitility of one ammo has it's strong points, like buying an RG .22lr pistol.

g.willikers
August 17, 2008, 09:15 PM
For an inexpensive .38 revolver, look for one of the various West German models that have been imported under many different names. They are mostly clones of a S&W, quite well made, and can be found for around $100. They are usually stamped with the actual manufacturer and country.

Used Mossberg shotties can be found aplenty for less than $150.
Hard to beat for both eating and defense.

Marlin 60 in .22 are also easily found for way less than $100. Lots of cheap fun and practice and can fill the pot, too.

Mission accomplished for $350, probably even less.

TCB in TN
August 17, 2008, 09:43 PM
Although shotguns are versatile, what do you really gain by going with one?
With slugs you can probably shoot accurately to 100 yards but you can do that with a rifle at twice that distance without carrying another kind of ammo.

1st of all with good sabot type slugs 150 to 200 yards is not a stretch. And as for w/o a second type of ammo, well I am pretty good with my rifle, but I am not taking near the amount of flying or running game with ANY rifle that I am with a shotty. And you can use 1 gun to shoot fine shot at the rabbit you jump up, slip a couple loads of buck into the barrel to take a dear at close range, or a slug into the same barrel for shots out to better than 100yards, while only carrying a single gun.


With birdshot they're well suited to small game, arguably better than a .22LR sometimes. But ammo for them is also really heavy and bulky and you get five times as much .22LR for the same amount of money and probably half the weight.
You can use buckshot in them, but why bother?
What does a load of 00 buck do that a round of .30-30 or any other rifle round won't also do?
I have a lot of respect for shotguns but in this capacity, I just don't see the justification to choose one over a a rifle.

The key here is that a 12ga with slugs can do pretty much what a 30-30 does, plus you can slip in the buckshot or the fine shot in and take a couple of doves, rabbits, etc that you are much less likely to hit with the rifle. INSIDE 100 yards a man with a good pump gun can do anything one with a rifle can and a whole lot more. If I am in a SHTF situation I want to be carrying the best tool I can for the widest variety of uses. That IMHO is the shotty!

goon
August 17, 2008, 09:57 PM
The only Revolver in that price range that I came across on a quick search. You would not be using the pistol as a primary in most SHTF situations anyway.


Maybe you would.
A handgun is far more concealable and also a lot easier to carry than a long gun. If you wanted to be armed while going about your normal chores - hauling water, cutting wood, gasing up the generator, etc. - it would be easier to just strap on a holster than it would be to sling an AK.
There was a guy who used to go by "FerFAL" who lived in Argentina during their economic collapse.
IIRC, He found handguns to be very useful for those reasons.

1st of all with good sabot type slugs 150 to 200 yards is not a stretch. And as for w/o a second type of ammo, well I am pretty good with my rifle, but I am not taking near the amount of flying or running game with ANY rifle that I am with a shotty. And you can use 1 gun to shoot fine shot at the rabbit you jump up, slip a couple loads of buck into the barrel to take a dear at close range, or a slug into the same barrel for shots out to better than 100yards, while only carrying a single gun...

...The key here is that a 12ga with slugs can do pretty much what a 30-30 does, plus you can slip in the buckshot or the fine shot in and take a couple of doves, rabbits, etc that you are much less likely to hit with the rifle. INSIDE 100 yards a man with a good pump gun can do anything one with a rifle can and a whole lot more. If I am in a SHTF situation I want to be carrying the best tool I can for the widest variety of uses. That IMHO is the shotty!

You raise some good points.
A shotgun can do a lot and I've found them to be easier to bring home meat with. A good rimfire can be as effective as a shotgun in getting small game like rabbits and squirrels but you have to hunt differently with a rimfire. You have to lie in wait and carefully place your shots or be an extraordinary rifle shot to do as well with a rimfire. Also, wingshooting with a rifle or handgun is an exercise in futility for most of us, myself included.
But...
- If you want to kill a grouse with a rimfire, it is possible to shoot them while they're on the ground. Not sporting, often illegal, but I'd do it to eat in a crisis.
- Some shotguns can reportedly shoot 200 yards with pretty decent accuracy. I say this from an academic point of view because I don't consider myself that knowledgeable on shotguns.
Having said that, to have that kind of range/accuracy from a shotty, don't you need a rifled barrel and sabot slugs? And if you're using a rifled barrel, don't your patterns pretty much look like maps of the constellations with regular shotshells? Plus, how much cost does that add? Maybe $150 for a decent Mossberg or Remington and another $100 or so for a rifled barrel? Versatile, I'll agree. But if you start adding stuff like extra barrels, all the sudden the shotgun isn't so cheap or so simple anymore. Also, sabot slugs seem to be running about $12+ for 5 rounds. Not cheap. And who wants to carry an extra barrel?
- Overall, I've been impressed with rifled slugs and they do add versatility to a smoothbore. But past about 60 yards or so, I personally ain't much good with one. Some guys do pretty well out to a bit over 100 yards with them. But I can nearly quadruple my effective range with just about any "real" rifle round. And I can place my shots way more accurately.
- Buckshot. IMO, it's very good for up close defense, especially indoors. But why carry it if you're outdoors if a slug will do the same number on a deer or an attacker?
- A 12 gauge slug can do most of what a 30-30 does inside 100 yards. But so can a 10/22.

I still think that a .22 handgun and a centerfire rifle gives more capabilities than a shotgun. In fact, I'm now just about convinced that I'm going to need a .22 handgun.

It's an ongoing debate.
I suggest that if we ever have to evacuate I'll team up with you.
If we need to shoot at a bird you take the shot; If we need to shoot at something farther away I'll take the shot. ;)

baz
August 18, 2008, 11:24 AM
If one has more than $350 to spend on a survival battery, then they should not feel they have to limit themselves to what they could get for $350. I got to thinking I needed a survival battery after Katrina, and budgeted $1500 for it. I've since spent more, but you all can understand that this is a disease a bit like gambling or drinking -- that some people cannot stop once they start. :D

As a hypothetical exercise, imagining what one can do on a $350 dollar budget is useful for those who are on a limited budget, and imagine that they cannot afford a survival battery. I see two basic problems with the original selection. The first is that I think it is going to be hard to fit a decent .38 revolver into that budget, unless you get lucky with pawn shop or want ad find. Second, anybody on a limited budget needs to take into consideration the cost of ammo. Guns without ammo are just big sticks and blunt objects.

If this is all the money I had available, I'd get a .22 and a 12 gauge shotgun, and all the ammo I could buy with any change left over. The usefulness of these as been amply described by others.

Another way to go, of course, is to build up a battery over time, saving and spending as you go along. That's basically what I did. Over the years, I had sold or given away what firearms I had once owned, all except a Ruger 10/22. So I started with that. After Katrina, the first thing I did was by a 12 ga pump. Next was a 9 mm pistol and a .357 snubby (both bought the same day). Then the fun, but ugly, and potentially useful HiPoint 995. Finally, a Tromix Saiga in .223. And all of this for just slightly more than my original $1500 budget. (I would have been right at the budget if I had gone with a stock Saiga; the Tromix mod is what broke the budget.)

Since then, I got a C&R, and you can imagine the rest. For someone on a budget who thinks a stock Saiga is too much, then get an M44 and a tin of Bulgarian ammo. Or if you are able to spend a bit more, an .308 Ishy Enfield. Or both. That's what I did. :) I told you, I don't know when this is going to stop.

Norinco982lover
August 18, 2008, 11:55 AM
I would recommend

ruger 10-22 at $150 .22 ---couple thousand rounds
norinco 982 at $120 12 gauge ---few hundred
mosin nagant $80 7.62x54R ---couple boxes

the .22 rifle could be replaced with a .22 pistol as a backup to your main self defense weapon--the norinco. It could also be used for hunting small game. the Mosin could be used for hunting large game or long range self defense. You could probably get the amount of ammo I specified for under $200. It would last you a year if you took 10 shots a day with the .22, 3 shots every other day with the shotgun, and 1 shot a week with the mosin. Any situation longer than that and we are looking at conspiracy theories. (although I do believe the world is going to end soon.)

ilbob
August 18, 2008, 12:24 PM
But why buy a Nagant revolver?
Ammo for them is expensive, hard to find, and anemic. It fills the same role as a .22 handgun but with a lot more cost for ammo.
If the goal is to buy some practical guns to help through tough times or just for GP use, a Nagant revolver is one on of the last guns I'd put on my list.
The Nagant revolver is only a good choice if you have to meet the arbitrary price goal. As you said ammo is tough to come by, however reportedly it can safely shoot several other cartridges that are less rare, but still not real common, including a couple that provide a substantial increase in oophm.

I have one, and have shot it. Lots of fun. But it is a trick to reload. You have to punch the empties out one by one. Sort of like with a traditional SA revolver, but no loading gate and ejector pin. I used a pen. You can also unscrew a rod provided for that purpose and use it. Not exactly ideal for SD use, but if you need more than a cylinder's worth, you may be out of luck anyway.

crebralfix
August 18, 2008, 12:34 PM
Just the Mosin Nagant rifle would be enough. Spend the other $250 on ammo and a bayonet.

Would it be optimal? NO! But it would allow the person to hunt and shoot.

tinygnat219
August 18, 2008, 01:19 PM
Shoot,

Let's go one step further and reduce it to 2 guns: A single Shot 12 gauge, and a .22 Autoloader.

These are arguably the two most available calibers around, with the 12 Gauge just humming with versatility from short range squirrel and rabbit gun to medium range slug gun for deer.

The .22 LR pistol can also be used reliably for all small game, and can be useful for dispatching pests as well.

Here's my cost: 50 bucks for the 12 Gauge single shot from a pawn shop (actual cost), and 220.00 for the used Ruger MK 1 Autoloader. It's easily under the 350.00 requirement. The rest of the money would be spent on ammo with 1000 rounds of .22 LR, and a variety of 12 Gauge loads.

jackstinson
August 18, 2008, 01:29 PM
For under $300.....I think if I just had to grab one of my guns for survival use, I'd probably grab the plain-jane Henry H001 lever action, a couple bricks of cartridges, and the Spee-D-Loader.
I've a lot of choices, but the plain H001 is short, light, fairly accurate with it's open sights, holds 15 rounds, and extremely versatile. It will not choke on any .22LR/L/S/CB/Colibri/etc round that you can fit into the magazine. The Spee-D-Loader with a carry strap gives 8 fast tube reloads (120 rounds of LR). Although I have a hard time envisioning the scenario needing a dozen 30-round 10/22 mags. Possibly....if the bunnies were heavily armed.
Yes, I would rather have a lever action than my 10/22 (or my other semi-autos) and a passel of banana clips in such a situation. I won't have to worry about jams due to ammo issues with a manual operating system.
Jack

OOOXOOO
August 18, 2008, 02:15 PM
$350 is almost enough ammo to train for a month, as long as you make every shot count.

TCB in TN
August 18, 2008, 06:16 PM
- Some shotguns can reportedly shoot 200 yards with pretty decent accuracy. I say this from an academic point of view because I don't consider myself that knowledgeable on shotguns.
Having said that, to have that kind of range/accuracy from a shotty, don't you need a rifled barrel and sabot slugs? And if you're using a rifled barrel, don't your patterns pretty much look like maps of the constellations with regular shotshells? Plus, how much cost does that add? Maybe $150 for a decent Mossberg or Remington and another $100 or so for a rifled barrel? Versatile, I'll agree. But if you start adding stuff like extra barrels, all the sudden the shotgun isn't so cheap or so simple anymore. Also, sabot slugs seem to be running about $12+ for 5 rounds. Not cheap. And who wants to carry an extra barrel?
- Overall, I've been impressed with rifled slugs and they do add versatility to a smoothbore. But past about 60 yards or so, I personally ain't much good with one. Some guys do pretty well out to a bit over 100 yards with them. But I can nearly quadruple my effective range with just about any "real" rifle round. And I can place my shots way more accurately.
- Buckshot. IMO, it's very good for up close defense, especially indoors. But why carry it if you're outdoors if a slug will do the same number on a deer or an attacker?
- A 12 gauge slug can do most of what a 30-30 does inside 100 yards. But so can a 10/22.

I still think that a .22 handgun and a centerfire rifle gives more capabilities than a shotgun. In fact, I'm now just about convinced that I'm going to need a .22 handgun.

It's an ongoing debate.
I suggest that if we ever have to evacuate I'll team up with you.
If we need to shoot at a bird you take the shot; If we need to shoot at something farther away I'll take the shot.

First of all let me preface this by saying I am not much of a shot gun guy, but I have found that in spite of the fact that I don't shoot them much my hit rate goes up with them dramatically. Using that long smooth bore barrel and saboted slugs 100 to 120 yard with 3 to 5 MOA is not that big a deal. So even w/o the rifled barrel decent deer/hog hunting accuracy is attainable. Switch over to the Rifled Barrel and I have personally put together a couple 1 1/2 in 100 yard groups. (Not my gun, buddy from Indiana.) So with the smooth bore barrel inside 100 yards I feel pretty set for about anything I need to do. IF I need to shoot longer ranges, a couple of minutes gets me on out to 200yards pretty easy too (I wouldn't shoot shot outta a rifled barrel unless it was an emergency). Friday I looked at a decent used Mossy 500A with the interchangeable chokes priced at $150, same shop had a number of used extra barrels for $40-75 longer than 18, but a little work with a hacksaw can fix that. A little later I saw a new Mossy scoped barrel for $159. So being careful you could get in around $350 + tax etc.

And yes if the TSHTF then I will be glad for the company and the backup!

ccsniper
August 18, 2008, 09:50 PM
mosin 100
.22 revolver 100
single shot 12 50 (in my area)
100 for ammo

Vegaslaith
August 18, 2008, 10:07 PM
An AK is the very definition of poor a man's survival.

Huddog
August 18, 2008, 10:33 PM
i understand this is a theoretical SHTF scenerio but I bet 90% of the respondants have more than 3 guns and have spent more than $350. Shucks bet most of you have more than that in ammo stored around the house. So to twist the original slightly without hijacking the thread, which 3 that you have now if you could only take 3 in a SHTF scenerio.

If you enjoyed reading about "The Poor Man's Survival Arsenal" here in TheHighRoad.org archive, you'll LOVE our community. Come join TheHighRoad.org today for the full version!