Please don't take Mommy's pistol away (image)
Oleg Volk
September 2, 2003, 08:36 PM
http://www.olegvolk.net/newphotos/tn3/momsgun_s.jpg (http://www.olegvolk.net/newphotos/tn3/momsgun.jpg)
Picture was taken for a high-res remake of honor their trust (http://www.a-human-right.com/RKBA/s_4children.jpg) poster, but something else came to mind for a caption. Comments?
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Denny Hansen
September 2, 2003, 08:46 PM
Mommy has a pistol--and I'm safe!
Oleg Volk
September 2, 2003, 08:58 PM
http://www.olegvolk.net/newphotos/tn3/momsgun2_s.jpg (http://www.olegvolk.net/newphotos/tn3/momsgun2.jpg)
To me, the kid looks more worried than confident, hence the original text. OOOPS - forgot to edit the URL. Edited now.
WonderNine
September 2, 2003, 09:00 PM
How about "Please don't make my mommy defenseless."
Or....
"For the children." :evil:
Kaylee
September 2, 2003, 09:37 PM
nice image!
Honestly though I like your original "honor their trust" verbage better -- more direct, less "whiney" voice. Otherwise -- to my mind -- it comes across as more pouty "dont take away my toy" than a serious issue.
Failing that, wondernine's (first ;) ) suggestion is good..
-K
Mark Tyson
September 2, 2003, 09:39 PM
How about "This we'll defend", like the Army's motto.
hso
September 2, 2003, 09:44 PM
Any mother will defend their young with fang, claw, and their own blood. Why not you?
Standing Wolf
September 2, 2003, 09:47 PM
Sorry, Oleg, but I've got to say the pleading expression on the little girl's face rubs me the wrong way. I have no trouble imagining leftist extremists sighing, "Oh, that poor little girl!" and more to the point, I believe we have no need to ask anyone's permission or request any favors.
I'd rather see the child smiling happily, contentedly, and securely: she knows she's safe, and knows, as well, her mother will keep her safe no matter what.
TechBrute
September 2, 2003, 09:51 PM
I'm with SW. I like the original better.
Dave R
September 2, 2003, 09:53 PM
Pleading?
"Please let Mommy protect us".
Shorter.
I like "This We'll Defend".
TechBrute
September 2, 2003, 09:57 PM
That reminds me... where's the website where you can get the t-shirts and mugs with Oleg's prints on it?
Oleg Volk
September 2, 2003, 10:01 PM
http://www.libertyoutlet.com/store/bystore.html?store=3
TechBrute
September 2, 2003, 10:07 PM
Phooey. I was hoping you had some coasters with your art on them. The Target ones are OK, but they're no Oleg.
I'd like to see a set of 4 or 6 with different prints on each. I need one for my office.:D
vmi93
September 2, 2003, 10:22 PM
"This we'll defend" or "Worth defending"
or
"If you won't defend her, who will?"
Good photo, but to the mentally ill (hoplophobic) it could look like some sort of ransom demand with the kid being held by the "bad person with the gun".
winstonsmith
September 2, 2003, 10:46 PM
My vote is the contented expression and "for the children." Seems to have more impact to me.
hso
September 2, 2003, 11:07 PM
Why don't you want my mommy to keep me safe?
Horsesense
September 2, 2003, 11:26 PM
Safe in her mothers arms
Basic instinct
Gun, $400
Training, $250
The ability to defend her child…priceless.
Standing Wolf
September 2, 2003, 11:55 PM
Gun, $400
Training, $250
The ability to defend her child…priceless.
Oh, that's very good!
I'd still prefer to see a happy, smiling child, and would have to question the $400 figure, but that's definitely righteous copy.
Spark
September 3, 2003, 12:02 AM
No chance of a "get behind me while Mommy takes out the trash" kinda photo Oleg?
Erik
September 3, 2003, 01:30 AM
I don't care for the idea that children equate gun possession with violence (or threat thereof) in any way, even if said violence (or threat thereof) comes in the form of protection.
Nice composition, though.
Nightfall
September 3, 2003, 10:14 AM
Mommy is armed... for the children.
bogie
September 3, 2003, 11:26 AM
I don't need your permission to defend my child.
Baba Louie
September 3, 2003, 11:28 AM
All good, but I do like Nightfall's suggestion, throwing "For the Children", back in their face.
It's kinda becoming MY mantra.
Perhaps (like I'm one to offer Oleg suggestions :uhoh: ) if child were to be looking upwards at mom's face (offscreen) with a confident smile...??? in lieu of hands in prayer mode... but whaddaIknow?
Adios
Zach S
September 3, 2003, 11:31 AM
"Please send Mommy some money so she can get a decent concealment rig." My poor attempt at humor...
While theyd go great with other pics, some of the captions listed dont go very well with the girl's expression.
How about one where the girl has a straight face and the caption says "My mother can portect me, can yours?"
Got the idea from this pic:
http://www.olegvolk.net/newphotos/tn/goodparent_s.jpg
It took me an hour to find that pic? Time for bed...
spacemanspiff
September 3, 2003, 12:34 PM
these are rough thoughts, but hopefully good ones...
a inset picture on the upper left of a child shooting a .22 at the range with a parent giving advice, caption says "this is the .22 rifle my dad bought me so i could learn how to shoot when i was xx yrs old."
another inset picture on the upper right of same child, a little older, again at the range but with a handgun, caption says "this is the pistol my parents bought me on my 18th birthday."
the background image is of the parents, with holstered sidearms, caption says "these are my parents, and just some of the tools used to keep our family safe."
like i said, rough thoughts... you know, on second thought, something along these lines would make great flash work. who runs flashbunny.org? i'm sure someone here has pictures of being taught by parents how to shoot, maybe some of them hunting, etc? could be used to tell a life story.
erikm
September 3, 2003, 12:59 PM
Maybe this one is an odd idea, but here goes. This is basically a set of composition notes.
Center of picture: Mother, standing and smiling happily, cradling (not holding) a shotgun in her arms.
Just in front of her are a couple of smallish children, smiling and standing side by side. They're short enough that they don't reach the mother's arms.
Caption can be any one of a number, but "My mother can protect me, can yours?" or some of the other ones here seem to fit.
In the politically incorrect variant, change the shotgun for an assault rifle.
Cheers,
ErikM :evil:
P12
September 3, 2003, 02:46 PM
Depending on what part of the country she is depicted to live in, she should be worried!
If the caption matches the face, it's a hit right on the mark.
RustyHammer
September 3, 2003, 03:04 PM
Lo Tishkach ..... (Hebrew for "Never Forget")
KMKeller
September 3, 2003, 04:05 PM
Sorry guys but the pic bugs me and I'm just gonna have to voice my opinion. I have always been against using children in any form of political advertising. It just simply rubs me the wrong way. Having the child partially behind the parent and the parent saying something regarding protecting his/her child is one thing, but using a child to play to a parent's heart is dirty pool. It's something the anti's do all the time, "it's for the children". Using a child to incite an emotional response from a parent just seems a bit low for The High Road.
Just my .02. Disregard as necessary.
RustyHammer
September 3, 2003, 05:33 PM
Know what you mean KM, next thing you know, they'll be using sex in advertising too! :what:
(For what it's worth, I do tend to agree with you .... in certain situations anyway.)
jimpeel
September 4, 2003, 01:05 AM
I'm not thrilled by the kid's expression either.
For a caption:
"A babe in arms"
"A babe under arms"
"A babe in her mother's arms"
"In her armed mother's arms"
Something to that effect.
NIGHTWATCH
September 4, 2003, 02:25 AM
Its the "pleading" clasped hands that confuse me. Mommy is armed, why plead?
Orthonym
September 4, 2003, 05:38 AM
Mommy is obviously being DISarmed by the other cops. The cop is holding/controlling the kid. The original is just right! It's pro-family, pro-human, pro-liberty! That is, anti-cop!
KMKeller
September 4, 2003, 06:34 AM
I don't know, it just seems that the armed mother is hiding behind the child literally and figuratively. As a parent, I would never put my son in front of me to say or ask something that I should be saying or asking myself. I would put the child beside or partially behind, no pleading hands and have the parent making a comment about the potential consequences to the child if her ability to protect the child is removed.
TechBrute
September 4, 2003, 08:53 AM
I like the idea of the kid peeking out from behind the parent. No facial expression seen, just one eye coming around the corner. I think there are plenty of captions we could come up with for that.
Tamara
September 4, 2003, 09:12 AM
Having the child partially behind the parent and the parent saying something regarding protecting his/her child is one thing, but using a child to play to a parent's heart is dirty pool. It's something the anti's do all the time, "it's for the children". Using a child to incite an emotional response from a parent just seems a bit low for The High Road.
Yeah, but not fighting back reminds me of that line from Spaceballs. You know, "Evil will always triumph, because Good is dumb." :uhoh:
KMKeller
September 4, 2003, 09:29 AM
Tam, fighting back is the key allright, but in this picture, it's the kid doing the fighting. The theme overall seems to adopt the tactics of the enemy, hide behind the kids... Just doesn't sit right.
Tamara
September 4, 2003, 09:37 AM
I know what you're saying; I hate shallow pleas to emotionalism with children and puppy dogs, too. Unfortunately the other side feels free to use them, and they work like all heck on vapid soccer moms whose vote counts as much as yours or mine... What to do?
KMKeller
September 4, 2003, 09:51 AM
I'd try to draw something that works like a parallel to the Israeli/Palestinian use of their children. The Israelis put their children behind them to they can fight to protect them, the Palestinians strap bombs on them and send them to do their fighting.
Something like, "Some people insist on using children to fight their battles, others fight to protect their children".
Two pics, first one Schumer, Feinswine et al, second one, the pic that Oleg has posted with the child 1/3 behind the parent.
As to how best to counter the dirty tactics of the grabbers? I wish I knew. But I wouldn't stoop to their level.
seeker_two
September 4, 2003, 11:02 AM
"Please let my mommy keep the monsters away"...
BrokenPaw
September 4, 2003, 11:13 AM
"Her mother's arms protect her."
"Kept safe by her mother's arms."
-BP
seeker_two
September 4, 2003, 11:53 AM
As to how best to counter the dirty tactics of the grabbers? I wish I knew. But I wouldn't stoop to their level.
Unfortunately, the grabbers have chosen the weapons of battle (emotionalism, images, loud arguements, name-calling, etc.). If we're going to win, we need to learn how to use these weapons better than they do.
That's why radio hosts like Savage, Beck, & Hannity are growing in popularity. They use the liberals' weapons better than they do...:cool:
cool45auto
September 4, 2003, 12:43 PM
:cool:
Matt G
September 4, 2003, 01:11 PM
As a shooter who carries daily, I'm personally bugged by where Mommy is carrying her pistol; apparently at 2:00 or 2:30 position. Before y'all get too dizzy rolling your eyes at me, hear me out.
Carrying the pistol forward of the point of the hip (i.e., 3:00 or earlier) presents the pistol for view for all the world (yes, I'm familiar with the Ballad Of Pancho And Lefty) to see. Some viewers of the image might get the idea that Mommy's stance is an agressive one, from the get-go, rather than a defensive one. Put the pistol back of the hip, just barely in view but centered so that it can't be missed, and the point is: "I may not browbeat people with the fact that I am armed, but I Am Ready."
The difference is subtle, but would be worth exploring.
Now, as to this picture:
The girl, of course, is beyond adorable. Those soft eyes are truly indicative of innocence and evoke in all decent people the desire to protect. Nice. I would say that the model was perfect, and that's true, but not all photographers can capture that. Oleg, as we know, has a gift.
As to the caption:
I like a variation on the second caption: "SAFE." or "Safe with Mama."
Another direction: "Mama is armed, and I am safe." (Argues two points at once.)
Play on words: "Mommy's loving arms." :)
Change the speaker: "I provide for my daughter's security." or "My daughter depends on her mommy to provide for her safety."
Two portion: Title: ARMED: then caption: "I provide for my daughter's safety."
Mark Tyson
September 4, 2003, 01:15 PM
The position of the pistol in its current position seems to be for visual effect, in which it suceeds. I wish the girl's hands were not clenched in the pleading manner in front of her.
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