Time to buy and handgun


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Superfly3176
August 17, 2008, 06:59 PM
I turned 21 recently and really want to buy and handgun. I do not want a revolver at all. I will most likely get a concealed carry, but the gun will be more for fun, and home defense.

So I was thinking. Sig P229, chambered for .357 SIG. Any opinions?

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Loomis
August 17, 2008, 07:12 PM
@ 21, I'd suggest getting something more affordable. Ammo is expensive. The more you spend on a gun, the less you have to spend on ammo.

If you are really into sigs, there is a deal on right now for sig P5 in 9mm. The P5 is a german police gun that is similar to a sig 225, which is no longer made. They are used cop guns on sale for 299 bucks american.

Make that a sig P6. My bad.

SCKimberFan
August 17, 2008, 07:15 PM
Or a CZ75 (Compact works well for CCW). Priced ok too.

JDGray
August 17, 2008, 07:25 PM
The "Fun" goes away buying .357 Sig ammo:D The 229 is a fine weapon, but I'd say get it in 9mm.

Cowboy2
August 17, 2008, 07:28 PM
If I were buying my first handgun, it wouldn't be a .357Sig. Its relatively expensive to shoot, and ammo prices aren't going down anytime soon. If I were buying a Sig, I'd get it in 9mm or .40S&W, leaning more towards 9mm.

schmeky
August 17, 2008, 07:42 PM
Superfly,

You're getting some good advice. Don't confuse power (.357 Sig) with good shot placement. The 9mm is much cheaper to shoot, has less muzzle blast and recoil, and with the assortment of 9mm self defense loads, is no slouch.

I think it's critical you get good firearms instruction in safety, handling, sight alignment, trigger control, etc. It's kinda' like golf, if you develop bad habits from the beginning, it's much harder to correct them later on.

For a first gun, 9mm is the way to go. Let us know what you get.

Rmart30
August 17, 2008, 08:33 PM
get a nice 22 auto for a first gun..... shoot the heck out of it with its super cheap ammo, and learn alllllllll the basics, then start looking for something bigger.

thegoodfight
August 17, 2008, 08:44 PM
Les Baer or Wilson combat would be my choice.

Happiness Is A Warm Gun
August 17, 2008, 09:42 PM
Look at ammo prices. In terms of total cost of the gun the actual gun is a small fraction.

.357 sig ammo isn't cheap. Most places have it for $0.35-$0.40 per round.

9mm on the other hand is about half the cost and .40 S&W isn't much more.


$500 handgun + 10k .357 sig rounds @ 0.35ea = $4,000. The gun is only small % of the total cost of ownership.

Another way to look at it is for about the same amount of money you could either buy a sig and 10K rounds or a better 9mm and 15K rounds. which will be more effective?

Blarelli
August 17, 2008, 10:03 PM
Yeah, .357 sig isn't one of those 'for fun' rounds unless you have a bunch of extra cash laying around. The sig, however, is an excellent choice. Just switch that .357 sig into a 9mm. If you feel like you want some extra power for carrying or whatever, get some +p rounds.

Superfly3176
August 17, 2008, 10:20 PM
Let me say this, this is nowhere near my first gun fired or owned. But it will be my first handgun. Yes, I have been through firearms training too.

I also see the point on the ammo. Thanks for the input.

The other gun that I've had my eye on has been the Springfield XD-M in .40 S&W. Any opinions on this gun?

varoadking
August 17, 2008, 10:34 PM
The other gun that I've had my eye on has been the Springfield XD-M in .40 S&W. Any opinions on this gun?

Get a Glock 22 then. You will be much happier in the long run...

BTW, .40S&W costs the same as .357SiG these days. A Glock 17 (9mm) would be a better choice given that fact.

http://www.ammoman.com/

BlindJustice
August 17, 2008, 10:42 PM
It's A Handgun

I hear some people buy .357 Sig and within two
weeks buy a .40 S&W barrel.

I'm sure you've already got a bunch of advice
about Training, and .22 LR to learn on grasshopper,
it's a martial art of deadly consequence.

Still fun, though, welcome.

Randall

basicblur
August 17, 2008, 11:47 PM
So I was thinking. Sig P229, chambered for .357 SIG. Any opinions?

As an owner of a P229R in 357 SIG, I’d say start off with something else.
I got the 357 SIG as a bit of a lark-had plenty of 40 S&W and figured if getting a SIG, why not get it in the 357 SIG just for something a little different, maybe a little more penetration (it’s one of my main winter CCW), and since SIG invented the cartridge…?
Not a thing wrong with the gun (one of my favorites), but for a newbie I’d start with something else.

As others have stated, maybe a good (used?) .22 to start and learn the basics. This will give you somewhat of a starting point to learn what you do/don’t like although it’ll probably be a while before you narrow down your wants/need a bit.
They get a bad rap (early models?), but I’ve always liked the idea of the Walther P22 (got one) and SIG Mosquito (plan to get one). I like a .22 that functions/handles more like what you’ll probably end up with for self-defense (I know there are a few other brands out there).

After you’re ready to graduate from your .22 (or you may want to keep it), you should be able to go to the most popular calibers with little/no problem, although with modern ammo ain’t nothing wrong with a 9mm, and the ammo is much cheaper.

The other gun that I've had my eye on has been the Springfield XD-M in .40 S&W. Any opinions on this gun?
You say you may go for CC in the future-if so, why not an XDSC?
My main CCW is an XDSC40, but if I was doing it again I might go with the 9mm instead. It’s a surprisingly accurate gun, but you do get a little more muzzle flip than I’d like. I’d think you could stay on target a bit more with the 9mm.

You are familiar with the whole 40 snap/45 push discussions, aren’t you?
If you don’t go with a 9mm, you might consider a 45 for push vs. snap recoil?

BTW…most of the time when building my collection, I compared rounds held vs. caliber. If the same gun held 10 rounds of 9mm vs. 10 rounds of 45, I’m going with the 45. On the other hand, if it held 17 rounds of 9mm vs. 10 rounds of 45, I’d probably lean towards the 9mm.

Yeah…I know you’re going to hear the spray and pray naysayers that want to ridicule your choice if it’s based on magazine capacity, but I have no plans to “spray”-I’d just like the opportunity to put 17 rounds on target instead of 10 without reloading if the situation required!

Oh yeah...forgot to mention...if it was me, I'd avoid a Glock for a first gun since there seem to be an unusual number of AD/ND with 'em, and I think some of it has to do with it's design. You might be better off with a manual safety or a grip safety in addition to nothing but the trigger safety as on the Glock.
And for heaven's sake...don't let your buddies talk you into getting a trigger job for a SD weapon!

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