[neviander]

I started a thread about b.u.g.s the other day http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=384485&page=2 and am still researching stuff.

I really would like to patronize S&W. Why is it that all revolvers I read about, they do not make any more? The 940 sounded like a sweet little shooter...not in production any more. I don't know if they've ever made anything to shoot the .380 acp, .32 acp has fallen out of my favor, so no love lost there. I can't remember all of the other ones I don't see on the S&W site, that they used to make...I'm sure there were some autos that I liked too...anyway.

I haven't even looked at other gun sites, because I WANT A SMITH. It seems to me, that a 5 shot 9mm revolver would be pretty small, and be a lot easier on the hands than say a .357 airweight.

Is it really that expensive for Smith to keep a 9mm revolver on the shelves in limited production? I understand they have to make stuff that sells...I don't know, semi-rant. I would like to buy a NEW gun. I know there are tons of used guns out there, but I would really like a new one.

I realize I'm not going to get anything the size of a kel-tec in a revolver now. But after all the good things you guys have told me about .45 acp wheelguns, I figure the 9mm would have similar results....and the 9 is considerably smaller than the .45 for BUG purposes.

[22-rimfire]

Why don't you just take a good look at the 642/442 in 38spl. It is rated +P. The 38 is about the same as the 9mm.

[jeepmor]

They brought the 610 back by popular demand, rally and get them to respond.

[Drgong]

another one that I would love smith to support is a snub in .327 mag which is a nice little round..

[Loomis]

I wish someone would build a tiny 5 shot in 327 mag/32H&R. The cylinder could be made smaller diameter if they only designed it for 5 rounds of 327.

Also, I've been wondering why nobody has done this with 30 carbine. A 5 shot in 30 carbine could have a very small diameter cylinder.

[Phydeaux642]

I would certainly buy a 940 if S&W would bring it back. It would be cheaper to shoot than my 642 and that's really the only reason for me.

[Old Fuff]

Smith & Wesson, Ruger and Taurus all have had problems with 9mm x 19 revolvers, partly because of the extra backthrust against the breechface caused by the rimless/tapered case; and also making full-moon clips that worked. Taurus told me that they gave up because of a lack of sales, but to the degree the sales fell it was because of the associated issues.

As for a "little" .327 Magnum. It's indeed a neat cartridges, but it gererates pressures in the 40,000 PSI range, which is close to the M1 Carbine, and double that of the .32 H&R Magnum. Engineers are looking at that one very carefully before they jump. Note that Ruger put it in their stout not-so-little SP-101, and they did so for good reason.

Revolvers were designed around cartridges that had straight cases and rimmed heads. Keep that in mind when you make a choice.

[Loomis]

At one time, NAA had plans to make a larger version of their mini revolver to chamber 32 H&R. They scrapped those plans.

I wish they'd went through with it.

[Indifferent]

From what I read, the modern J's are made for a 357. The cyclinder is different, meaning a 22LR is no more compact than a 357. Same with a 9mm.

If you look at the J's on S&W site, you can see the gaps in the different size cylinders, which to me, is well, lame.

Make things like a true Firearm Manufacturer, not like Walmart.
Course in this day and age, we are lucky there are still Firearm manufacturers.

[neviander]

Revolvers were designed around cartridges that had straight cases and rimmed heads. Keep that in mind when you make a choice.
I realize that, that's the reason I was slightly surprised when the .45 acp revolvers got raving reviews http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=370911 again, I figure the 9mm is essentially the same shape and moonclips seem like a good idea for fast loading anyhoo.

[20nickels]

If it's just the shorter case you want, competition shooters have had great luck with .38 Short Colt, basically a rimmed 9mm with a .357 boolit. If it is 9mm you want, I don't believe the problems associated with it are worth it in the J frame, especially when the .38 Spl has proven so well.

[Old Fuff]

The .45 has a straight case, and lower pressure distributed over a larger area on the breechface. The moon-clips are also larger with more "spring" to them.

I know that S&W K and L frame revolvers shooting rimmed revolver cartridges have been modified to use moon-clips (for faster reloading), but I'm not sure about J-frame conversions. You might look into that.

[20nickels]

You can get j frame clips. My opinion is that they would suck to carry vs. a speedstrip though. To each their own. The positive ejection of the moonclip would be a plus.

[neviander]

The .45 has a straight case, and lower pressure distributed over a larger area on the breechface.
Alrighty, I'm pickin' up what yer layin' down, good point.

the .38 Spl has proven so well.
I guess I overlooked the 'ol 38. I always equated it with the .357, since they are mostly interchangeable.

[machinisttx]

The .45 has a straight case, and lower pressure distributed over a larger area on the breechface. The moon-clips are also larger with more "spring" to them.

I know that S&W K and L frame revolvers shooting rimmed revolver cartridges have been modified to use moon-clips (for faster reloading), but I'm not sure about J-frame conversions. You might look into that.

Gemini will cut a J frame for moon clips. The clips themselves aren't cheap though, running about $40 for ten. Gemini will also cut K frames, L frames, and N frames for clips, along with the Ruger SP101(they might do the GP100 too).

[rcmodel]

Also, I've been wondering why nobody has done this with 30 carbine.If you have ever shot a .30 Carbine revolver, you wouldn't have to wonder.

The muzzle blast is fearsome out of a 6 1/2" barrel.

It would set your hair on fire & knock your fillings loose out of a Snubby!

rcmodel

[hatchetbearer]

It would set your hair on fire & knock your fillings loose out of a Snubby!


now I want to shoot one.

But I'd also like to see a convertible 9mm/38spl 5 shot on a reduced size j frame. that way i could shoot what I wanted, when i wanted. It would be steel instead of alloy, with an exposed hammer that would be less likely to snag, but still useable for SA shooting. and it be under $300. yeah I can dream, cant i?

[Stainz]

The last time I looked, Ruger still made the Blackhawk SA in .357M/9mm and .45 ACP/Colt, each with separate cylinders, although I don't recall seeing the .30 Carbine version on their site lately. That thing is a hoot to shoot - bright and loud, with no recoil. Ah, but the OP was re S&W...

Yep, I want an S&W in a caliber they don't make now... .44 Russian! Yeah, a small DA wouldn't be bad, nor would a new old #3. That break-top was a neat design... and, the .44 Russian - with modern smokeless propellants - can approach Keith-like .44 Special performance. I was shooting some 240gr LSWC over 4.0gr of Titegroup yesterday at the range - they make ~740 fps from my 3" 696. Even at 3.5gr Titegroup, they make 692 fps from that 3" tube - that's major power factor (>165!), even though it seems like ferret flatulance.

Yeah cute little round. I guess I'll keep doing as I did yesterday - make carbon/lead rings in my 696 & 629 chambers to clean out.

Stainz

PS I do have several revolvers which use ammo with dimunitive rims and a tapered case. In fact, I modify .32-20 brass - and size it with the M1 Carbine sizer, which is a tapered round. Yeah, its that techno-marvel of it's day... the 1895 Nagant. No, S&W doesn't need to add 7.62x38r to their mix.

[ArchAngelCD]

If you really want a M940 you can find a used one on the market. If you can't find one you might have to get a 9mm cylinder fitted to a .38 Special revolver.

[jaholder1971]

I don't think there's a ear plug maker out there who has a product that will protect your hearing from a J frame in .30 carbine.

[ugaarguy]

Yeah cute little round. I guess I'll keep doing as I did yesterday - make carbon/lead rings in my 696 & 629 chambers to clean out.
You could probably get a good pistol smith to cut 44 Spl. chambers in a S&W cylinder blank for you. If you wanted to pay that kinda money.