[Coffee357]

That was quick....

http://www.smith-wesson.com/CatalogManual/sw1911recall.htm

Coffee

[yotehunter]

At least they admit that they are having problems with some of them and will fix them. I think the main reason people get upset over these things is when the company insists that there is no problem.
To me it doesnt make the company look bad, mistakes happen. To me the company comes out looking better for addressing the problem.
But I must add that I have not had this problem or known anyone that has.

[Sven]

Still looking for that recall notice on the Glock website... sorry: upgrade.

Early adopters often pay a price.

[yotehunter]

But they dont have a problem, its all our imagination. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[Drifting Fate]

So, in the last, what - two days?, on this board we have seen a review of a Kimber not working and a Smith 1911 recall.

And people slam me when I grumble about 1911's not being reliable.

They can be, but no one wants to make one work out of the box.

Here's what I want - anyone listening?

I want a 1911 that costs the same as a Glock, and works as well as a Sig - that means tens of thousands of rounds in terrible conditions, target grade accuracy, and takes down without a stupid f****** bushing wrench. You say you need to dump the link, put on an external extractor, maybe get rid of the plunger tube? Sure, go ahead - I want the ergonomics and sliding trigger with a short reset.

Can someone please step upto the plate and deliver?!:fire: :cuss: :banghead:

[WonderNine]

This is what I like about S&W, they make no bones about it when a problem is discovered. No covering up or "upgrade" b.s.

[boing]

...we have received reports, in an extremely small number of cases, that the firing pin safety plunger of the SW1911 pistol can become disabled, creating a situation where the slide may jam and render the firearm inoperable.

Wow. I thought I was directed to Kimber's website for a minute, except it didn't say "too much lube, not enough lube, wrong kind of lube, it's your ammo, it's your magazines, you're holding the gun improperly, you don't know how to shoot a 1911 you moron..."

[denfoote]

Yup!! Looks like the loveable S&W of old!! :rolleyes:
If it looks like a duck,... :barf:

[New_comer]

At least they're honest. That's a virtue I could appreciate. ;)


That said, I still trust them enough to want to own a S&W revolver someday... :D

[JimC]

"recall" is a word that the people in Smyrna have had removed from their volcabulary.

You will never hear them admit they have made a mistake or could have done something a better/different way. :rolleyes:

I know, I used to know many of them personally. :barf:

One has to give high marks to S&W for getting the word out quickly and honestly about any potential problems with their pistol(s).

[Tamara]

Is this thread merely an excuse to engage in a little serendipitous Smith/Glock/1911 bashing and "My gun can beat your gun up" chest thumping? :rolleyes: I'm sure we can find a tie-in between the S&W 1911 recall and why your buddy's Ruger Redhawk blows and why Chevy is better than Ford, too, if we look long and hard enough.

Anybody even notice what the part is that caused the recall? (Hint: It rhymes with "goofy Schwartz safety." ;) )

[45auto]

Drifting Fate:

I think you can get all you want, just not for the price of a Glock!
You need a "custom" 1911 to achieve what you want. They make linkless bbls, external extractors, intergral plunger tubes, etc; just not all on the same gun or the same manufacturer. I'm not sure anyone can build that for $500- and stay in business.


Both Kimber and S&W seemed to have problems with grip safety activated firing pin safeties.
The trigger activated safeties don't seem to have a problem, so I am wondering why "they" didn't choose that route? Perhaps to avoid the slight degradation of the trigger pull? Colt patent? Don't know.

It's good that S&W issued a recall, that's the sign of a good company.
It would have been better still if the one part that they actually designed ( redesigned) would have worked.

[Spackler]

I give them credit for doing the right thing.

[John Forsyth]

Tamara, noticed that. It is amazing how many folks want to blame a design as bad, i.e., 1911's bad, Glocks good, when in actuallity the system that is causing the failure was added because of some political scheme. The Schwartz system was developed to solve a problem that did not exist. The Kimber folks adopted it to get around the goofy CA laws and S&W went along too. While I am not crazy about the Colt Series 80 system, it does seems to work better. At least S&W recognises there is a problem. Kimber, problem, what problem? :rolleyes:

Drifting Fate, if you shoot competition as much as I do, sooner or later you will see all makes of guns malfunction and fail soon or later. That includes Glocks, Sigs, HK's, and of course 1911's.

[JimC]

Due to the most recent Glock frame "upgrade" and not a "recall", I think this or any thread is a fine place to compare the honesty and integrity of ANY two companies with similar problems, especially for us firearms owners.

A couple of years back everyone was ready, willing and able to bash S&W for their error in judgement. Maybe it's time to give them just a little credit for calling a "recall" a "recall" and not an "upgrade" and trying to blow smoke up you know where. ;)

BTW, my Ford is better than a Chevy! :neener:

[BevrFevr]

Ford is better than chevy. And some designs are more prone to bugs. That's why ak47's are notoriously reliable and m16's are notoriously high maintenance.

-bevr

[10-Ring]

I wonder how many guns/ owners were affected?? At least S&W is addressing the situation promptly & properly.

[El Tejon]

All guns break, buy more!:D

[Dain Bramage]

I was waiting for the AK-47 vs. M16 argument to creep into an S&W recall thread. :rolleyes:

Anybody wanna go Apollo vs. Soyuz? :D

[boing]

The Series 80 system had it's share of problems when it was introduced, too. Colt had (still has?) levers with different geometry that sometimes needed to be fitted in order to get that particular guns firing pin block to time properly. If your gun had a #3 (or whatever) and you needed a new one, you had to replace that lever with another #3, or no bang.

S&W/Kimber/Colt/Schwartz/SeriesII/Series80 problems aren't design related, it's just poor QC of the small parts.

Some companies handle it better than others, it seems.

[WhoKnowsWho]

At least the Glock still worked when the frame rails broke.

I appreciate S&W sending out the notice, it's much better than letting a couple of posts about jamming SW1911 getting a lot of bad attention.

Remember, everything mechanical, can fail...

[HankB]

Last month, I had a chance to handle an SW1911 at Oshman's - at first glance, it didn't look bad, but a brief examination didn't leave me very impressed.

The pistol had a stupid "WARNING - MAY FIRE WITH MAGAZINE REMOVED" label engraved on the frame.

The trigger was *very* heavy and had a lot of creep.

Even though lubed - when dry-firing, I could see a little puff of oil come out in front of the hammer - the slide didn't move smoothly; it felt like a lot of grit on the rails (maybe the result of bead blasting the rails?) and there was a noticeable "glitch" in the movement when drawing it back slowly.

All together, I'd rather spend my $800+ on something else. (And that's not even getting into the issue of whether the "new" S&W has actually made amends for their sellout.)

[RepublicanMan]

That it's a damned shame that every single time anyone has anything negative to say about a Glock one of this sites (I would assume whom is supposed to be neutral and balanced) moderators seems to feel the need to jump in and post something inflammatory in defense of Glock. I don't have the time, energy or inclination to do a search and paste links to prove my point but in my admittedly short time here I've seen it at least 3 or 4 times. I realize that the owner of a public board has the right to negate freedom of speech on here, after all it's HIS property but, and I could be mistaken, I don't believe the moderator in question is an owner and so therefore should perhaps make more of an honest effort at being less confrontational when someone brings a negative comment down on the plastic fantastics that come out of Smyrna.

[Tim Burke]

That it's a damned shame that every single time anyone has anything negative to say about a Glock one of this sites (I would assume whom is supposed to be neutral and balanced) moderators seems to feel the need to jump in and post something inflammatory in defense of Glock. I don't have the time, energy or inclination to do a search and paste links to prove my point
Well, if you don't have the time to find proof of your position, could you at least post your assertions in a thread which supports them? The only 2 Mods that have posted on this thread are Sven, who took a jab at Glock and Tamara, who took a swing at both the Schwartz safety and the "my gun is better than your gun" crowd. Neither posted any thing that was "inflammatory in defense of Glock."

[Ky Larry]

This thread has gone completely off topic so I'll throw my $.02 in. The things I read on this and other gun forums is the same stuff I hear at my local gun shop. Every one has an opinion and is entitled to it. When I see stupid remarks praising one gun and bashing another I just shake my head. If one was really better for everyone,it would be the only gun on the market and all the others would be out of business. Different strokes.

[RepublicanMan]

As I said, neither the time, energy or inclination to research anything. The mod in question, I'm quite certain, knows whom I am referring to. It is of course his/her perogative to have an opinion on any gun that he/she has a preference for, I don't deny that. I do however maintain that to display what (at least to me in my admittedly short time here) is a pretty consistent condescending attitude towards anyone that dare posts against Glocks is (whether directly or by proxy with other snide comments) isn't very professional. Again. my opinion only, yours and others may vary. I have no desire or intention to further turn this into any sort of flame fest so perhaps it should be dropped.

[Art Eatman]

R.M., you work hard enough and that mole hill will get to be a mountain, someday...

The best pistol is the one with which you can hit the best. The brand name is absolutely immaterial, stipulating decent quality. (Gotta admit that I once had a Jennings .22 that functioned flawlessly. :D )

Last time I looked, I wuz a modermarater. I think.

Pistols of the self-loading kind around my house include Lilliput, Luger, Walther, Mauser, Colt, and Radom. Had a Glock .45ACP, whatever model that is. Shot it. Hit okay with it. Good pistol. Sold it on account of aesthetics, no other real reason. (Well, okay, profit) Had a Beretta 92 stainless. Shot okay. Good pistol. Sold it for a profit. I just like a single-action semi-auto better than a double-action. YMMV.

My 1911 preference is based upon looks as much as anything else, since I have found a dozen or so of them to be as reliable as anything else--and I can hit just fine with them.

Anytime somebody sez, "We goofed; we'll fix it for free," I'm happy.

:), Art

[RepublicanMan]

Not sure what you mean about mountains and molehills????

At any rate, having an opinion and sharing it without being insulting isn't what I was "talking" about. :D

[SelfProclaimedExpert]

RepublicanMan,

I think I know what you're talking about, but I don't see why you posted it in this thread. I just re-read everything a moderator posted and nothing seems to be particulary pro-Glock. Sven's post is antiGlock and Tamara's seems to capture a whole range of behavior relating to several brands.

It has been my experience on various forums that you can't buck the moderators. If you come to their negative attention, you'll just disappear. There was a guy on the Sig forum that I was emailing with that PMed a moderator for being dismissive. He was banned. The moderators here I imagine have the same unilateral power.

Beware.

[Zenon]

Received the recall notice in the mail today including a pre-paid FedEx label. Mine's already back, having negotiated a replacement since it went back a few times for the same thing prior to the recall.

According to the letter, up to S/N JRD4750 are affected.

Yes, talk about being an early adopter, :banghead: this is the last new/latest/best firearm I buy, I intend to wait any future release by ANY manufacturer out at least a year, since this is the second time it's happend to me since I started shooting oh-so-many years ago (2 to be exact).

The response from S&W is admirable, honest and the indication of a good company. All said and done, I'll buy from them again.

[Tamara]

Don't ask me, I'm biased. Glocks bore me to tears (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34204&highlight=bore+tears), but then again, so do SIGs, Walthers, Berettas, HK's, et cetera, ad nauseum... (I only own one Glock, and that for sentimental reasons, as it was a gift, compared to eight 1911's and twenty-three S&W revolvers...)

I'm pretty sure I said "Smith/Glock/1911 bashing" in my earlier post, but maybe some hyper-sensitive folks saw "Smith/GLOCK/1911 bashing." It must be awful to be so sensitive. (But I won't name names. He/she knows who he/she is...) ;) :neener:

[Art Eatman]

S.P.E., you're too young to be so cynical! :D As long as the THR rules you agreed to are followed, I doubt any moderator here is particularly concerned about your views. They're yours, to love and cherish as you see fit. Absolute "Freedom of View", here.

But if folks just can't be bothered to do a "Search", my sympathies lie elsewhere, and that's got zilch, zip, nada to do with my being a moderator. Some folks admit to being shiftless; others admit to a loathsome disease acquired through sin and degradation.

:), Art

[SelfProclaimedExpert]

Art, if you or Sven or Tamara decide that someone is "out of line", whether they've broken a specific rule or not, do you have to convene an inquiry?

Or do you just ban them?


Your board (kind of), your rules.

[Spackler]

I believe you can count the number of people who've been banned from this forum on one hand (trolls excluded).

[Al Thompson]

SPE, we rarely ban without a group think. Having moderated here and at TFL for nearly 4 years, only in obvious cases do we ban someone unilaterally. The last one that comes to mind was the person who posted porn on THR. :rolleyes:

Republican Man, of the moderators in the handgun forums, none are glock fans or haters. Without citing your sources, it's hard for us to take your allegation seriously. Sure you don't have us confused with another board?

[Byron Quick]

Sure you don't have us confused with another board?

Al, don't you realize he can't bother to "do the research"?:neener:


Apologies to the paranoids, but if you follow the forum rules you agreed to when you registered and keep your postings civil...you ain't gonna get banned.

[RepublicanMan]

Actually Mr. Quick, it's not so much a matter of "bother" as it is a lack of care on my part as I'm not all that concerned about it. My post was made to bring it to the attention of the person(s) that do it so that perhaps, without "calling them out specifically" they could see what I meant before someone who was offended really whined and we had a soap opera develop. Know what I mean Vern???

[Byron Quick]

No.

[Tamara]

Poster A: "They've issued a recall on Brand X guns."
Poster B: "Well at least they're not a bunch of poopie-heads, like those guys at Brand Y!"
Poster C: "Oh, jeez, is this going to turn into another one of those dumb 'Brand Y sucks and Brand X rules!' threads?"
Poster B: "You're just a stool pigeon for Brand Y! Squashing dissent! 1st Amendment! Freedom of Speech! Abuse of power! You're not allowed to have opinions, because you're a moderator!"


:rolleyes:







I swear to gawd, it's enough to make me never want to speak to another gun owner again as long as I live. I wonder how hard it is to find an available hermit's job?

I'm audi. Y'all kids have a fun peeing contest...

(PS: My guns rule. Yours suck.)

[9x19]

Tamara,

You're just so naughty! :D


I wonder if one were worried that their S&W 1911's frame MIGHT fail... y'all think S&W would replace it... for free? Me neither... :evil:


Is this the spot where a heart-felt, Glock Perfection!, is best used? :neener:

[C.R.Sam]

Civility usually goes a long way.
Opinions are cool.
Accusations without founding are not cool.

Got a personal beef ? Take it to email.

Sam

[Coffee357]

Awe folks... I got excited seeing that one of my posts actually drew enough interest for multiple responses - and it turned out to be a pi*&^%$ match! To drag this one back on track, how many folks have had problems with their SW1911's? I've been looking at them and I got to say I WAS impressed. I felt that an external extractor was something the 1911's have needed for a long time. Just wish they had brought them out with a nice blueing job!

Coffee

[BluesBear]

Tamara,

I think I love you!

;)

[popeye]

I have wracked my ol' braim's. Can't think of anything to rhyme with "goofy Schwartz safety."

[SelfProclaimedExpert]

4 moderators, now!






(Heading for cover. Avoiding "group think".)

[Avery Goodschott]

Coffee,

I'm glad to report that I've had zero problems...nada. Unless you consider the increased rate at which I go thru ammo...

[Byron Quick]

I haven't bought a S&W 1911. Two reasons.

One is the rollmark. Called S&W and asked if it could be had without the rollmark. Answer was no. IMO it looks like it was developed by someone in grade school.

Funny. I love S&W revolvers. Their semi-automatics have always left me cold.

[RepublicanMan]

At the range yesterday.......wouldn't fire the guys lead reloads , fed them fine but apparently they were a little short, but did perfect with his FMJ reloads. He was busting clays at 25 and 50 yds with it

[pesticidal]

I've got both a Glock and an SW1911. Love to shoot both of them. Both have SN's under the "recall". SW was nice enough to post it on their site, but I found out about both problems through boards like this.

I called Glock several months ago, and they said they would send me information on how to get the frame fixed, but haven't heard from them since. I went on to SW's site and requested a FedEx pkg. just a few days ago. It seems like a nice way to correct a potential problem.