Springfield 67 shotgun has me at my wits end...


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Malikovski
August 18, 2008, 06:36 PM
I recently picked up a Springfield (aka Savage aka Stevens) model 67E pump shotgun, to convert to a replica of the Stevens 77E shotguns issued in Vietnam. Numrich has the original military buttstocks for these, so it's a fairly simple project.

The 67E has issues with the lifter I was warned about, and other folks mentioned that the internals were "a nightmare".

How true that is! I cannot get the lifter to lift or the bolt stop to engage and disengage correctly. I've obtained a good parts diagram, so I can see that all the parts are there. They just don't do what they're supposed to.

What's worse, I can't even understand HOW the parts and mechanics involved CAN do what they're supposed to. The lifter spring, which pushes the lifter DOWN, somehow has to push it UP when the bolt rotates the lifter pawl back. I don't get it. Clearly the spring is in the wrong shape, but I can't imagine any spring shape that would do that. The fact that I've never had a working example to examine is the main obstable here.

Is anyone familiar with the 67/77 action? If so I'll post details and pics.

I've always done my own gunsmithing and had good results, but this has me ready to pull my hair out...

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machinisttx
August 19, 2008, 05:40 PM
You might try looking at one of the "Digest of gun disassembly/reassembly books". Parts diagrams generally don't give a good mental picture of how things are supposed to go together.

Malikovski
August 20, 2008, 09:26 AM
Good call. I am very confident I've got it together right, but since I've never handled a working example, I can't be sure.

Problem is I can't find that model in the usual suspects. The "The Gun Digest Book of Firearms Assembly/Disassembly Shotgun Part 5: Shotguns" doesn't have it, and I can't find tables of contents for the other guides I've found.

I've got a complete new set of springs coming from Numrich tomorrow, so I am hoping that will magically fix it...but I'm not confident.

Does anyone have a working model 67/77 they would be willing to pull the trigger pack out of and photograph?

BlkHawk73
October 26, 2008, 08:00 PM
How'd you make out with this? I'm trying to repair one for a friend. Gotta change out a spring which is held by a stud on the release lever. The darn stud won't budge and I cannot get the spring's hook/foot around into position. Getting the old one out was a bear and now this. ARGH!

Malikovski
October 26, 2008, 11:05 PM
I managed to fix it. The problem was someone had mismatched parts at some point. The plate that rides under the bolt (and probably the bolt too) was from a different model, and the notch that catches the lifter pawl was in the wrong place. I made it a little larger and it seems to work fine. I may have a chance to fire it this weekend and see how it really functions.

As far as I know, the stud on the bolt stop isn't removable. I found putting the stop in a vise and then pushing the spring down with a pair of needle nose pliers (one jaw on the top of the hump of the spring, the other under the stop), worked for me.

Good luck...these really are a nightmare internally.

gotgcoalman
December 28, 2008, 12:48 PM
Just bought a 67E a couple of days ago.

Used it yesterday at a sporting clay shoot with reasonable results.

No jams or missfires.:D

But to clean it properly is a nightmare :what:
Took trigger mec out no problem but barrel removal
for inspection and cleaning is a no go.
I tried for ages and it's fixed to the action as far
as i can make out. :cuss:

Got a diagram off the interweb and it looks like you
have to take trigger unit out,remove the stock and saftey
mechanism and push the cleaning rod through the action
into the barrel.

Just got it back together this afternoon(tried it to make sure
it still worked) it does thank goodness.

In short i'll use it but it wont get a PROPPER clean as often
as the other guns i have :fire:

prayerwarrior
April 7, 2009, 06:27 PM
Attempting to clean the shotgun, make/model above, I removed part # 27 & 4, and then rocking out the trigger assembly, part # 20 fell out. Reference part #'s by this link below and the picture for the model 67E.

http://www.gun-parts.com/savageshotgun/Jan22_08.jpg

I am now unable to pump the shotgun and not able to determine installation of part 20.

I read all your posts and looks as though the Gun Digest of Firearms, part 5, won't help either. Can anyone help how to re-assemble or know where to get a detailed diagram?

GeorgeR
April 11, 2009, 08:51 PM
I believe this is also a Savage Model 30. You can get step by step assy/disassy instructions from the Gun Digest Shotguns book by JB Wood.

elementx440
September 26, 2009, 02:41 AM
PRAYERWARRIO - I know it's many months later, but I had the same issue and wanted to share some insight for anyone else who might have this happen.

Screw 27 should NEVER be removed, it's not part of the normal disassembly.

All you need to do for basic disassembly/cleaning is remove screw number #4 and knock out pin #44 with a punch tool. Everything will come apart to the extent needed of basic cleaning. Nothing will go flying in this disassembly, but go slow and do a visual check as you remove parts, just in case.

You can put that pesky little piece #20 back in by just screwing it in place with the little spring loaded end facing the end of the barrel (again, it's held on by screw #27)

I had mine fixed in 10 minutes and have NEVER opened up a shotgun before, just used basic mechanical skills. good luck!

http://www.gun-parts.com/savageshotgun/Jan22_08.jpg

Jim K
September 26, 2009, 08:45 PM
To disassemble most pump and autoloading shotguns:

1. Unscrew all the screws you can find. Don't worry about what they do or what they attach to; the maker just put them in to confuse expert gunsmiths like you.

2. Drive out any pins, in any direction. If they don't move, use a bigger hammer.

3. Pull out the trigger group if it will come out. If it doesn't come out, pound on it or use a hacksaw and Dremel tool to cut it out.

4. Remove the magazine tube by turning it, either direction. If it won't turn, use a big pipe wrench. Don't worry about the twist; it will keep the shells from feeding too fast.

5. Remove the barrel by pulling it forward after you take all that unnecessary junk off the end of the magazine tube. If the barrel doesn't pull forward, it probably is threaded in, so use the big wrench again.

6. When removing parts, don't bother to keep track of where they came from, just toss them all in a box or on top of the work bench. You can easily figure all that out when you put the gun back together. If some parts fall on the floor and get lost, they were not important anyhow.

7. When reassembling, you might find that nothing will fit right and you won't be able to find half the parts. Just toss everything in a box where your heirs and assigns will find it after you pass on and throw it in the trash.

Jim

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