ALmost a self defence situation

[.380awsome]

i feel as if i shouldnt be alive right now.....this morning i was riding with my brother and i didnt have my ccw on me the one time i needed it we stopped at a red light and my brother hadnt locked the doors and had the windows down and a man came up and asked for a ride the man wouldnt go so my brother budged and let him in i knew it wasnt a good idEA the man joked like he was gonna kill me then he said he was kidding we kept driving and if i wouldve had my .38 he wouldnt ever wanna ride with anyone else we took him to the place he wanted to go and it was an old trailor park he climbed into a window on the trailor as we were pullin out,also he was most likely high by his actions if he wouldve had a gun on him and i wouldve had a gun but he drew his first how could i have stopped him

[Scoutsout2645]

WOW...that's one long sentence. Punctuation doesn't cost any extra--go ahead and use all you need.

Rule number 1: If you don't know them, they don't get in your car. Ever. EVER.
Your brother's foolishness could have gotten you killed, even if you were carrying. If he had a gun, he has the drop on you from behind and had you attempted to draw (assuming you're right handed) you now have to pull the gun out and either turn 180 degrees in your seat or you have to go across your body and over your left shoulder and engage him backwards, while all he has to do is pull the trigger at contact ranges. You lose. Learn from this mistake and don't do this again.

[armoredman]

Lock doors, keep windows up, and don't ride with foolish people.

[eric.cartman]

No offense, but your brother is an idiot! :banghead::banghead::banghead:

You better explain to him to NEVER EVER do that again!!! EVER!!! You don't give in to strangers like that!!!

Oh yea, and take your gun with you next time.

[Taurus92 in KyleTX]

we took him to the place he wanted to go and it was an old trailor park he climbed into a window on the trailor as we were pullin out

Are you quite certain you didn't inadvertently aid in a burglary or other worse crime?

[NG VI]

And try not to leave your CCW at home. If you don't have any real reason not to bring it with you, discomfort doesn't count unless you are wearing a speedo, then don't leave it at home. I have read quite a few times that if you are going to carry you need to carry all the time, or else you might as well never carry, and I agree with that statement 100%.

[raveneap]

scoutsout2645 >>>...WOW...that's one long sentence. Punctuation doesn't cost any extra--go ahead and use all you need. ... <<<

LOL! I had to catch my breath!!:)

Seriously, that was an extreme error in judgment on your brother's part. Hopefully he won't ever do anything like that again.

[vicdotcom]

Well you knew your brother made a mistake. There is nothing you can do about that and you can not take your actions back. So lets move on from that.

You asked if there is anything you could do if he did have a gun to stop him. In this situation, I think you are screwed even if you had your CCW. I mean if he is in the back seat: A) you cant see him B) you cant fire at him without turning yourself arround C) He can fire at you easily D)You have to get your CCW out without him noticing and probably E F G that I cant think of right now.

If he did have a gun there are only two options in my point of view. The first is to do what he says and await an opportunity or opening to draw your weapon and fire securely. The other option is to not listen to him. In this scenario you either tell him to take the car and leave but you and your brother are getting out. Or you and your brother open the door and jump out at the same time.

In any event, you are at a huge disadvantage. Add to the fact that he was high on something can even be more dangerous since it impairs his logic and thinking in unknown ways.

Glad you and your brother are ok though. The primary goal is for you and your brother to get out of the situation unharmed. In the situation described, your brain will do much more good than any CCW.

[.380awsome]

well my brother can be stupid sometimes but he agreed never to it again :banghead:.....the guy asked were i lived and i pointed in the opposite direction of my home because he was probably gonna try and break in when we werent home:cuss: but were ok and next time he'll have to suck it up and walk:neener:

[Guns and more]

i feel as if i shouldnt be alive right now.....this morning i was riding with my brother and i didnt have my ccw on me the one time i needed it we stopped at a red light and my brother hadnt locked the doors and had the windows down and a man came up and asked for a ride the man wouldnt go so my brother budged and let him in i knew it wasnt a good idEA the man joked like he was gonna kill me then he said he was kidding we kept driving and if i wouldve had my .38 he wouldnt ever wanna ride with anyone else we took him to the place he wanted to go and it was an old trailor park he climbed into a window on the trailor as we were pullin out,also he was most likely high by his actions if he wouldve had a gun on him and i wouldve had a gun but he drew his first how could i have stopped him
Please tell me you're not an english teacher in a public school.

[Dr_2_B]

Sure is nice when we learn our lessons the cheap way in stead of by getting our heads blown off. Now take your brother out and beat him with a 2X4.

[chute2thrill]

I'll reiterate what everyone else has said... Don't do that again.. Tell your brother to never do that again... I've had this same thing happen to me (minus actually giving the person a ride) several times and I hate to say, someone even asking me for a ride in a bad neighborhood at a gas station scares the hell outta me..
I also don't use correct punctuation half the time or very much at all.. but a period here and there.. maybe a comma would help immensely...

[Colt Smith]

.380awsome,

Your story reminds me of a situation I had years ago. I had forgotten about it but your example will help me to remember it from now on. I was much younger and more innocent. I was driving along through my middle-class neighborhood at night probably coming home from someplace. This young black lady who was walking by the side of the road looked very upset and she flagged me down. She was saying something about having been raped as I recall. At first I didn't open the door or roll down the window. I told her that I would go get help for her but she said no, she just wanted a ride home. I didn't think it was a good idea but she kept pleading. So, as a naive young do-gooder I gave her a ride. I followed her directions to a neighboring town where she had me drop her off at the bus station in the center of town. I thought that was strange at the time and didn't connect the dots until later. She was a working girl who wanted a ride back to pick up her next customer. What I did was stupid on many levels. Note to self...don't be stupid. Glad you and your brother are ok, don't be stupid.

[ArchAngelCD]

That story is so bad in so many ways. The only thing that is right about it is you and your brother weren't harmed. You can only thank God for that because you did nothing to help it.

[mgkdrgn]

Your brother ....

Slap both your parents and don't EVER let him ride with you again when unarmed.

If he is riding with you in the future and tries the same thing again, shoot -him-.

[SHOOT1SAM]

The only thing I can think to add to this, is that since history tends to repeat itself, should it ever happen again, think about trying this:

YOU get out, let him into the front seat, and you take up a position directly behind him. That way (since you've "learned" to CCW at all times, right?), you can be ready to defend both yourself and your boneheaded brother.

You will have the drop on him, plus, you'll realize exactly how helpless the two of you were.

Sam

[Blakenzy]

the man joked like he was gonna kill me then he said he was kidding
:eek:

Now that is certainly discomforting!

Then again, he could have noticed how uncomfortable you were by his presence and decided to poke fun at you to relieve tension, some people make idiotic jokes like that... or maybe he wanted to teach you a friendly lesson on how stupid and dangerous it is to let strangers off the street into your car.

if he wouldve had a gun on him and i wouldve had a gun but he drew his first how could i have stopped him

In my view, having had a gun on you wouldn't have made a difference. The fight was over the moment he climbed in the back seat. Letting him into the car was the last event you and your brother had control over. After that, he OWNED you both. Well, I guess you could make him spend all his bullets on your body so that your brother would have a fighting chance, but I can't think of any way to safely disable a violent, armed backseat hitchhiker.

[Happiness Is A Warm Gun]

I'm glad I didn't see you on the news "two men dead in botched carjacking attempt. details at 8".

SERIOUSLY. PROMISE TO NEVER DO THAT AGAIN. ARMED OR NOT.

[Drgong]

If my brother did that, I would of gotten out and walked...

Armed or not...

[shooting4life]

I am just glad that nothing happened. To say you got lucky is an understatement.

[vicdotcom]

There seems to be a lot of "Tsk Tsk Tsk" going on here. But not to many people addressing what .380Awsome is asking.

What else could he have done to make the situation better?

Yes it was a bad bad situation and there isnt many options. But sometimes bad situations do come up. For instance, what if your kid didnt lock the door and someone jumped in etc.

What do you do now?

[.380awsome]

haha thanks vicdotcom i like you u've answered some good questions and pointed out things in several other of my threads to

[DoubleTapDrew]

But sometimes bad situations do come up. For instance, what if your kid didnt lock the door and someone jumped in etc.

As soon as someone goes for the door handle nail the gas. Doesn't matter if they are halfway in your car or not. Things will only get worse once they are in the car with you and your family.

[vicdotcom]

As soon as someone goes for the door handle nail the gas. Doesn't matter if they are halfway in your car or not. Things will only get worse once they are in the car with you and your family. Would be a good solution, and probably what I would do. But usually there is traffic and and cars blocking your way.

[guntotinguy]

Dont take unnecessary risks...and never leave the CC gun at home by its lonesome...it cant help you being somewhere else.

[eatont9999]

We all know your brother made a stupid decision, but I can't think of any good ways to make your situation "better." Packing heat would be a +1 to your situation. Maybe sitting in the back seat so you can have a better chance of disarming him if he becomes hostile. Not many good options. Since I can't CCW yet, I decided to wedge a CETME bayonet between the seat and console to aid in a car jacking scenario, etc. It is not much, but better than nothing. It may help scare off some lightly armed punks if they try to screw around. Small white people seem to make good targets for thugs these days.

[TeamPrecisionIT]

If I fell into this trap, I would have shot my brother first and then the BG. Ok, maybe not, but I think the only thing you could and should have done was step out of the vehicle to at least create a reason for your brother to tell this guy to piss off. The ensuing argument would have made Mr. Hitchhike uncomfortable and maybe persuaded him to move onto an easier target (like most BG's do). Now, in this case, if he drew on you and you were both outside of the car you at least had the ability to move on your side. In the end, though, that had to be one of the dumbest things I have heard someone do to THEMSELVES in quite some time so you might want to slap your brother around or he is going to keep setting himself up as an incredibly easy target for violent crime. And no, if this is his level of situational awareness/intelligence, should you try to persuade him to start carrying.

Damian

[Nakanokalronin]

Never let someone in your car that you don't know. Especially the way you described him! Kids know not to talk to strangers but your brother seems to need a lesson about reality today. Hope this was a lesson for you to not leave your CCW gun at home. Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.

The second he "joked" about killing you I would of told your brother to pull over and kick that @%^&^# out of the car.

[gaucho1]

Gun-------------maybe good

Brain-------------always good

[vicdotcom]

I was thinking about this again, I thought of another option of something that you could have done.

Now this is only if he didnt have his gun drawn already. But you could roll the windows down in the rear where he is sitting (if you have power windows). Then drive arround a bit and unlock your doors. After driving a little more and picking a good spot, jump out the car, draw your weapon and point it at him (clear shot through the window). Then command him to leave the vehicle and leave him on the curb. If done quickly, this may take him by suprise and should only take at most 1-1.5 seconds. Your brother, unfortunately would be left in the car unless he was smart and quick enough to jump out also.

But that might be one way to handle it if you had your ccw on you. But if he already has his weapon drawn, I wouldnt recommend this.

[Jeff F]

Out here where I live its a pretty long ways walking to get anywhere. That said I have stopped and giving rides to people I don't know.

I know one of these days it could end up costing me, but you have to keep a little faith in your fellow man. Oh and the .38 that is out of sight but within 8 inches reach of my left hand makes it a little easier.

[LongRider]

I am not above giving someone a ride provided, my wife or kids are not in the car I don't get a bad feel and I am armed.
In this I'd have opted to tell my brother he is an idiot get out of the car and walk. FYI a 2 ton caliber automatic beats a 230 grain bullet