Shooting .38 Specials in the garage?

[BigBlock]

I'm thinking about setting up a target/backstop in my garage to shoot light .38 specials from my GP100. The problem is I live in the suburbs and have uptight neighbors...the door has to be shut and I'll have the lawnmower running on the outside of the door. Otherwise the police would be here faster than if I called and reported a murderer in my house....:rolleyes:

My worry: Lead. I'll be shooting FMJ, but I'm more worried about the primers. Am I going to get lead poisoning if I shoot in an enclosed area without ventilation? Maybe just 6 or 12 rounds at a time? Maybe I should wear a respirator?

[sevin8nin]

if you're inside city limits typically discharging a firearm is illegal.

For the direction you're shooting what's your backdrop? What if you miss?

It seems to me that setting up your own range in your garage is a terrible idea.

[3pairs12]

Well I think that you are asking for trouble, but depending on the size of your garage you could get like 200 CFM exhaust fan or 2.

[kingpin008]

I'll tell you what - I love guns, and believe that a fella should generally be allowed to do what they please, but if I were your neighbor and knew that you were shooting in your garage without a proper backstop (which is gonna be dang near impossible to build in a garage in the first place) I'd be pretty pissed as well. It's not safe, and in the off-chance that one of your rounds misses the backstop you have set up (or goes straight through it) it has a very high chance of hitting and injuring someone or causing other damage.

Is it really worth it?

That said, I know I get a scratchy throat if I stay too long at the local indoor range - I can't imagine an enclosed garage is going to be any better. If you really, really, really have to shoot so bad that you go through with your plan, at least get some sort of fan.

[Thernlund]

Doesn't sound like a good idea in general to me.

As to the ventilation, yes. You're going to have a major problem. Might as well sit in your car in an enclosed garage with the engine running. It's just about the same thing.


-T.

[MrBorland]

If you reload, you could load up some primer-only rounds with rubber bullets. Or, if you have a .22LR revolver, shoot primer-only Aguila Colibris. Technically, it's still discharge of a firearm, though, and very possibly illegal where you are, and lead in the primer would still be a worry. Better idea than shooting real .38s in your garage. :eek: Even if I lived in the boonies, I'm not sure I'd do that.

How 'bout an air pistol revolver or an airsoft revolver? Likely a lot more legal, quieter, and cheaper. Heck, you could even shoot the airsofts inside your house (with appropriate backstop, of course). No lead involved at all! Many competitive shooters use airsoft clones at home for training. Check out the link below.

CO2 revolvers:
http://www.pyramydair.com/cgi-bin/show.pl?cmd_category=show&category_id=55

Airsoft revolvers:
http://www.pyramydair.com/cgi-bin/show.pl?cmd_category=show&category_id=54


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlV6V36NXls

[chris in va]

They'll still hear it.

I used to frequent a popular indoor range here in VA. Even in the parking lot you could hear the shots.

I highly advise you don't do it.

Or, you could get a supressed 22 and shoot the Colibris...

[ArchAngelCD]

It looks like I don't have to find another way to tell you not to do it since it's been very well covered already.

[machinisttx]

Bad idea, very very bad idea.

A good idea is to use wax bullets powered by a primer, rubber bullets(IIRC these are available from Midway) powered by a primer, or use the Speer plastic cases with Speer plastic bullets powered by a primer made for exactly this type of use. The speer stuff is also available from Midway IIRC.


Sometimes I really wonder where folks get ideas....

[Kind of Blued]

This sounds like a disaster.

Just buy a pellet gun, BB gun, airsoft gun, whatever.

Don't go way out of your way to break the law and possibly get yourself in jail/prison and possibly yourself or others killed.

[kle]

http://yarchive.net/gun/ammo/waxbullet.html -- try wax bullets in cases w/ no powder (primer only)?

(the usual disclaimer applies: I found it on the internet, I'm not responsible for what you do, etc. etc. etc.)

[Seven For Sure]

Not a good idea. You live in a beautiful state with tons of National Forest Land. I'd find someplace otside thats's legal. Then you can shoot at things more fun than paper. Just remember to pack out whatever you shoot up.

[Scattergun Bob]

In my younger days, when I thought I needed daily practice, one of my FTO's turned me on to bees wax bullets. A standard 1/4 bees wax block and a primer work well for trigger control and sight alignment drills at 10 ft. The bees wax is just enough that the primer will not back out, and the primer is enough to send the beeswax pellet down range.


Clean gun just like after shooting normal ammo.

Good Luck & Be Safe

[Steve C]

Speer makes plastic .38 cases to be used with their plastic .38 practice bullets. The ammo is primer fired only and primers don't need any special equipment to seat so even if you are not a reloader you can do it at home. This was designed to shoot at indoor targets with minimal noise and would be ideal for your purposes. You won't even have to run the lawn mower and risk carbon dioxide poisoning.

3rd item on the page http://www.speer-bullets.com/default.asp?s1=3&s2=8

[Titus]

Don't forget the possibility of a nice fire from the unburned powder!

[Matt-J2]

Just leaving a lawn mower running outside without you or anyone near it sounds like a perfect way to make the neighbors suspicious.

Also, that whole thing about shooting in city limits typically being illegal. If they called the cops, they'd actually be reporting a crime, not just being nosy and fearmongering.

[kingpin008]

Just to reiterate: Don't do it. Terrible, stupid, dangerous idea.

[Jim Keenan]

I know it won't be the same, but why not a good revolver type air or CO2 pistol? You can then shoot in the garage or in the basement with a light backstop or bullet trap.

There would still be a minor lead problem, but not as much as with a firearm.

Jim

[Checkman]

Not a good idea. Actually a real bad idea. Go with airsoft, air pellets, lasers, Snapcaps, something else. You could really find yourself in alot of trouble.

[rcmodel]

My former neighbor, a Probation Officer, decided to shoot a possum that wandered into his garage with his .38 Special duty gun.

One hole in the kitchen wall and cabinet under the sink.
One hole in the garage door and his car radiator.
One hole in the side wall of his garage and his neighbors house next door to the south.

He lost his job shortly after the investigation!
And his wife divorced him shortly after that!

The possum escaped unharmed! :D

rcmodel

[ArmedBear]

These guys use .45LC drilled out to accept a 209 primer, no powder, and wax bullets. It would still mess up drywall.

http://www.cowboyfastdraw.com/aboutus.php

Anything beyond that, I wouldn't do.

[Mad Magyar]

The problem is I live in the suburbs and have uptight neighbors...the door has to be shut and I'll have the lawnmower running on the outside of the door. Otherwise the police would be here faster than if I called and reported a murderer in my house..
I'd be the 1st to call 911..."You are the neighbor from Hell!!" :D

[1 old 0311]

To answer your question. NO. 6-12 rounds is not a issue. Hell 20 years ago I had a roomate who used to shoot .22 shorts in the house. He set up a range and would go through 50-75 rounds at a sitting.

[AJ Dual]

I've tried the Speer plastic .38's indoors with a Smith Model 60. A box of them were in my grandfather's things when he passed.

Ear protection is a must, they are still very loud. And a cardboard box stuffed with rags is a marginal stopper.

I suggest looking for a quality gas-operated Airsoft pistol. Many are very good 1:1 scale replicas and have identical form and function.

They even make Airsoft revolvers.

[CWL]

I just want to point out that FMJ is not a totally-encapsulated bullet, the bottom is still exposed lead. You would need to get either TMJ (total metal jacket) or some other sort of non-lead bullet.

I agree with all the other posters. It is reckless and irresponsible.

[Average Joe]

Don't do it, unless you like wearing stripes.

[M1911]

As others have said, this is a bad idea. Even with the doors closed, this will be very loud. Your neighbors will call the police. They won't be happy.

Airborne lead comes from two places: the primer and the base of the bullet. A small portion of the base of the bullet vaporizes when the shot is discharged. FMJ bullets are NOT enclosed on the base, so they really don't help reduce the airborne lead. JHP bullets are covered on the base, so this reduces lead compared to JHP. But you still have the lead from the primer compound.

And then there is the issue of the unburnt powder.

If you want to do target practice in your house, get an airsoft gun or a pellet gun.

[jaydubya]

"Don't do it, unless you like wearing stripes." Or locally, red coveralls.

Find a convenient range, and join it. Keep your right to bear firearms by recognizing that there are thousands of laws, most of which you know nothing about, which can take it away from you. Forever.

Sincerely expressed, Jack

[AK103K]

What, no basement? :)

Just leaving a lawn mower running outside without you or anyone near it sounds like a perfect way to make the neighbors suspicious.

Nope. We used to do it all the time and no one was ever the wiser. The dog hiding out at the corner of the yard because he didnt like the gunfire was a better clue.

We used to shoot our machine guns in my buddies basement all the time. He had neighbors pretty close. Put some blue foam insulation sheets in the window wells, start the mower, put in ear plugs and a set of ear protectors, and have at it. We shot into approx. 18" around by 18" high sections of available trees stacked and staggered two high and three deep against a block wall.

The only time we ever missed was when we got the bright idea to shoot the 1919 down there. If all you hold is the pistol grip and dont put sandbags on the tripod legs on the concrete floor, it gets interesting fast. Oh, and dont set up under the fluorescent light tubes either. :)

30/06 will go right through a block wall with little troubles(water pours in later). Glass down your neck pretty much sucks, but its better when its your buddys. :)

Oh, another, OH... make sure the old lady dont come back home after she already left for the market and dont know your down there when you cut loose. Brooms on the back of the head when your not expecting it and have a loaded gun in your hands aint cool. :D


Ventilation is a big issue if you shoot a lot. After a couple of 30 round mags and we were usually running up stairs for air.

[Elvishead]

Sounds like you already have lead poisoning.

[hotshotshoting]

the easiest solution.... would be to use the money it would take to put in a safe and legal solution... and buy a property that it would be legal to shoot on, and then build your range first... either way your probably looking at at least 30k-100k / lane for safe operation of a normal pistol.... (not in city limits)

[Checkman]

No response from BigBlock, the original poster. I checked and he's been active since starting this thread. Possibly he dosen't like the response he recieved?

[Fishman777]

Notice that the original poster cares more about getting lead poisoning than he does about other people's safety.

Unreal.

If you screw up and shoot a neighbor, then what?

If you do this and sell this home, you would be exposing others (potentially kids) to unsafe levels of lead just because you are too cheap and lazy to go to a range.

Are you really serious?

This has got to be one of the most selfish things I've ever heard in my life. You really need to wake up and grow up. So I have a question. If this guy does this and shoots someone or poisons someone, are we all liable because we had knowledge that he was going to do something illegal?

Do not do this.

[Jim Keenan]

I will tell a story on myself just to show how much power we are playing with. I had a bunch of those Speer plastic cases and bullets that fired using only primers. No problem indoors of course, not enough power to hurt anything, I said to myself.

So I set up a bunch of newspapers on an armchair and taped on a target. Shooting fun.

Oh, the plastic pellet, propelled only by a primer, went through the newpapers and the back of the chair and dented the dry wall. Oh SH*T!

Jim

[azhunter122]

DO NOT do it! Bad idea for all the reasons stated above.

[BlindJustice]

Very good advice for a bery bad idea.

I think stories about attempts like these start with:

"Hey, BUbba, Hold my beer, watch this!"

Wouldn't a membership at the nearest range be
better, leagaly, safety & helathwise?

R-

[Guns and more]

Save yourself a visit from the police and practice with airsoft.

[AK103K]

If this guy does this and shoots someone or poisons someone, are we all liable because we had knowledge that he was going to do something illegal?

Yup, your responsible for everything someone else is thinking and "might" do on the internet. :rolleyes:

Take a breath and get your color back. Some of you need to lighten up. All he said was he lived in the suburbs and had up tight neighbors. He didnt say where they were or how close. I used live in the suburbs too, had people on the sides of me, and a clean 1000 yards shot out my back door and took quite a few out there too. My buddy lives in a "neighborhood", but you'd have to deliberately work at getting a round out of his basement where we used to shoot. I've been at outdoor club ranges that would have been more of a safety issue to the surrounding community.

I got out where I used to live because the "city" people started moving in and acted a lot like some here about shooting. Just because you cant do it or dont like the idea doesnt mean its not safe and unreasonable for others to do it. More probably do it than you even know. I've been shooting various things in my house and others for about 45 years now, and NEVER had a round leave the house above ground, and those few rounds from that 1919 were the only ones I ever saw miss the backstop in all that time. Even then, it wouldnt have mattered if we did sandbag the legs and deliberate aimed off the backstop, we were 8 feet below the ground level and we could have shot through the wall a ll day long if we wanted to.

If you think its bad in the suburbs, you had better stay there. Its a whole lot worse out here in the countryside, people are shooting out and about all the time, but especially during deer season. Then again, thats usually more of a "city people" problem then too. The locals seem to be better shots and know what a "deer" looks like. :rolleyes:

[mr.72]

Will those Speer .38 plastic bullets work in a 9mm brass case? I notice they give advice for .45 auto but not 9mm.

Anyone tried this?

[Orange_Magnum]

The idea mentioned earlier about a pellet gun is a good idea. A pellet hand gun. That way you can practice moving and shooting, etc. Cheaper in the long run, and legal to boost.

[JImbothefiveth]

If you want to shoot in the house without lead poisoning, try dry firing.
It's great for reducing flinches, and I cut my groups in half since I started dry firing. Get some snap caps but you SHOULD be able to dry fire safely without them. Getting some QUALITY snap caps is probably a good idea anyway though.
From ruger's FAQ:
Can I dry fire my Ruger revolver?
Yes. All Ruger revolvers can be dry fired without damage, and dry firing can be useful to familiarize the owner with the firearm. However, be sure any firearm is completely unloaded before dry firing!

[woad_yurt]

Some places may not have laws against firing a gun within city/town limits but most of them do have laws against careless or dangerous use. Check out their legal definition of careless/negligent/dangerous/etc. You may qualify no matter what you do, seeing as it's in a residential garage. And, if something bad does happen accidentally, the liability-determining question is usually "given these circumstances, was the outcome foreseeable?"

[tawcat]

What part of all the above do you not understand?

[The Bushmaster]

Very simple...DON'T DO IT!!!

[Stevie-Ray]

use the Speer plastic cases with Speer plastic bullets powered by a primer made for exactly this type of use. The speer stuff is also available from Midway IIRC.They still make that stuff? I used that about 20 years ago, a T/C Contender in .44 mag with a cardboard box with carpet in it. Good solid backstop as the plastic bullets didn't even think about going through the carpet. As I remember it, the casings were red, the bullets black.

[Loomis]

Use your basement instead. And switch to a 22 rimfire. My hunch is you will change your mind real fast after the first shot when you realize how loud it is.

[Fishman777]

I pointed out the liability issue because I think that this is a legitimate concern.

It is a more legitimate concern than a lot of the paranoid "self-defense" scenarios that I've seen posted on this and other shooting forums.

In our society, people sue each other all of the time. You are probably more likely to get sued than you are to be the victim of a home invasion or a bear attack (I thought that I'd throw the bear thing in because it is such a popular topic on many shooting threads).

Let's just say that the guy that posted this thread actually decides to set up a shooting range in his garage, and he does accidently shoot and kill someone. This is not that far-fetched. I'm sure that the authorities would investigate this guy further. If they did even a little digging of his or her internet activities, which I'm sure that they'd do, they might find this thread.

The liability concern that I have is this: what responsibility do you have if you have knowledge that someone was even considering engaging in an activity that was illegal and could result in injury or death of one of his or her neighboors. Would you have a legal and moral responsibility to report this to the authorities? I'm asking this because I don't know.

I know that I would have a hard time forgiving myself if something were to happen.

[MrBorland]

Would you have a legal and moral responsibility to report this to the authorities? I'm asking this because I don't know.

Chill. The OP said he was thinking about shooting .38s in his garage and was asking for feedback. Thinking about doing it and asking for feedback aren't illegal. THR satisfied any moral obligations by giving the OP plenty of feedback.

[The Bushmaster]

The reason why I live in the country...I can shoot on my property and NO ONE tattles on me. In fact they come up to my range and bring guns, ammunition, sodas and chips...

[eatont9999]

They will hear you anyway.

I sometimes shoot .22 colibris in my attic at my pellet gun backstop. I use a single shot bolt action rifle. The ballistics change a lot, but I can still put holes in cans and other stuff without going to the range.

[Craig_VA]

troll

[Poor East Texan]

When I lived in Houston I shot some .22 (primarily CB Caps) in my garage. Two thick Houston Phone books would last maybe 15 shots.

Then I got smart and put a 1/4" plate behind the books.

I'm SO MUCH happier out here in the "sticks"

NO! There is NO safe way to shoot .38 indoors in a conventional house. Indoor gun range yes! At home NO!!!!

[AK103K]

NO! There is NO safe way to shoot .38 indoors in a conventional house. Indoor gun range yes! At home NO!!!!
Have you ever done it? If not, how do you know?

[Poor East Texan]

I don't. So there!

I'm sure if you used enough of the proper materials you COULD do it.....

[AK103K]

You can. ;)

[evan price]

Have you ever done it? If not, how do you know?

I've never driven my car into a bridge abutment to test the seatbelts and airbag, and have no inclination to do so, either.

If the OP turned his garage into an indoor shooting range, and added enough sound insulation to prevent hearing the shots, he might get away with it- but at what cost would it be better to join a range or move to the country?

[theken206]

"I've never driven my car into a bridge abutment to test the seatbelts and airbag, and have no inclination to do so, either."

hehehehehehe :]

[novaDAK]

I used to frequent a popular indoor range here in VA. Even in the parking lot you could hear the shots.
Shooters Paradise? Gilberts? :)

I remember hearing gun shots outside of Shooters Paradise and I still hear them outside of Gilberts (though there they are not as 'loud')

[AK103K]

I've never driven my car into a bridge abutment to test the seatbelts and airbag, and have no inclination to do so, either.
Hey, to each his own. I've tried it both ways and I'll take the seatbelt/airbag anytime, thank you very much. Seatbelts and airbags aint as much fun as they look though, the airbags are REAL smokey, and about choke you if you dont get right out, and seatbelts leave nasty bruises. :)

[dmxx9900]

Go out to a secluded area and shoot and then leave when you are done.

[jaydubya]

Someone earlier said "troll." I agree. The thread starter, BigBlock, has not participated in this thread since he started it.

Recommend lock.

Cordially, Jack

[Pawdog]

Why only .38s?? Why not .44 magnums? If you're going to jail, make it worth while!!!:neener:

[slzy]

i work nights,all my neighbors are gone in the day. i have shot a few boxes of wad cutter 38s in the basement without mishap.

[tding]

Would someone explain to me why this thread was refered to as "troll" and why that is a bad thing on THR?

[AK103K]

Some felt the original poster was trying to stir things up, (not me :) ) and since they made him feel so welcome with his question that he didnt come back, labeled him as such to justify their responses.

Anytime anything that appears "controversial" comes up, the PC puppets quickly pop up.

So, if your going to start, which bridge do you live under. we'll get you registered. :D

[loosecannon]

I can't think of a better way for a guy to lose his Texas chl or set himself up for denial upon application. Also, getting caught probably would cause his insurance co. to drop homeowners insurance. He would end up in the law enforcement computer system as well as the giant insurance computer system and be listed in both by ss no. and T driver's l no.

By the way, I learned while working at a local jail that when a foreigner was booked in, the local county jail could tap into the Interpol computer network and pull up this person's criminal history--if any-- in about 30 minutes. We need to take extreme steps to protect our privacy and avoiding l.e. contact is essential.

And the jails that lack this capability need only to contact one down the road that has it, and the data are shared.

Loosecannon(Texan)

[20nickels]

Troll with 600+ posts? I don't think so. It's a completely reasonable question although I agree with the majority of don't do it. I believe once you find out how dirty just primers can be you would stop anyway. Get a pellet gun, a box fan, and a good backstop.

[easyrider6042004@yahoo.ca]

Shooting .38 Specials in the garage?

To the OP, thank you for asking this question in this forum. I hope you heed the advise of most of the guys, those who said "bad idea".

Many, many years ago, back when I was young, immature, stupid......living on the other side of the world in a country with many gun regulations and little enforcement, well,...'nuff said. 'Round 'bout the same time, I also rode motorcycles at 200-240 kph on narrow, two lane, winding country roads. Consider myself extremely fortunate to still be free and alive.

Please, please abandon this ridiculous idea of discharging firearms in your garage, in a place not designed and completely unsuitable for your intended use and in a populated area. Who knows where that slug may end up?

Think safe and responsible firearms ownership. We sometimes call our firearms "toys", but we are not little boys anymore. We have to look beyond the legalities in this issue and always do what is right.

The other side is waiting for someone to do exactly what you are planning, have a mishap, we'll be all over the news, and that's only the beginning.

[mgregg85]

If your gonna be shooting a revolver why not just shoot wax bullets for practice? Thats gotta save you a ton of money and it would be so much safer and a lot closer to legal.

[rollback88]

Nothing good can come from this. Don't do it.

-jcd

[brett30030]

Guys, you have been had. This is clearly a joke post. I cannot believe that so many members fell for this. It is really an indication that some of us take the subject matter so serious, that they cannot tell fantasy/joke from reality.

[AK103K]

It is really an indication that some of us take the subject matter so serious, that they cannot tell fantasy/joke from reality.
Hmmm, which part is the joke part?

I take it you dont shoot in your house either? :)

[Smaug]

Seems like a terrible idea to me too. I'd probably invest in a high-end pellet pistol instead, and skip the scenic trip to the city jail. ;)

[bigjohnson]

MAN! You guys are really up tight! I shoot .38 special wadcutters in my garage every winter when it's too cold to shoot outside. I've got a piece of 4 foot by 4 foot by 3/8 inch hard steel plate that I use as a bullet trap, and it works just fine. It's tipped forward about 30 degrees, and the bullets hit the steel and are directed downwards into a sand trap. They aren't recognizable as bullets when they hit the sand, however. I shoot at 10 yards, and in 6 years of shooting have yet to miss the backstop. The whole setup works like a charm, although the backstop weighs over 100 lbs and is the devil to move. I've got it braced in position by 2X4s. It was fairly cheap ($140) to build, and stores in the summertime behind the snow blower.
I seldom shoot more than 50 rounds at a session, so lead dust doesn't seem to be a problem. The noise, however, is something else. I wear earplugs AND muffs just to be on the safe side.

[wep45]

Hey, BIG BLOCK dude. this is america. you do what ever u want.

just let us know when visiting days are, so we can bring you a fried bolony sandwich and some vasilene for your back door. :neener:

[Heartless_Conservative]

Why only .38s?? Why not .44 magnums?

Was I the only person who thought 'Sledge Hammer!' when I read that?

[Almond27]

i know a guy i sold a S&W model 60 cheifs special who shoots phonebooks from his couch when he feels like shooting. when i heard he was doing it i thought very bad idea but you be the judge

[JohnKSa]

Hope the ventilation is good and that the next residents never decide to test for lead.

Most primers contain lead compounds. When the cartridge is fired, those compounds are spewed out in the discharge gases as smoke and small particles that will settle on any exposed surfaces. In addition, the heat of the discharge will vaporize lead from the base of the bullet. That lead vapor will condense on exposed surfaces.

Be interesting to know how much it would cost to do a lead abatement on a residence to remove contamination from shooting indoors...

[AjayofCanada]

Doing this will put all firearm owners into a bad light, please just go to a range.

[travis74]

That is a really strange idea. I dont think I have ever heard anyone really think about doing that.

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

Speer makes these little plastic bullets for .45 and .38/.357 which you can just handload into brass (and I mean literally load by hands without a press), and shoot with primer only. All you need is a hand priming tool and a deprimer (or virgin brass). They are not toys, and could potentially be deadly, at about 400 fps. But relatively safe and fun. I have been known to shoot these from a .45 down the hallway. You still need a fan going for ventilation due to the primers and some semblance of a backstop (2 or three layers of surplus carpet will do).

But between your options of:

1. Speer plastic bullets, rubber bullets, & wax bullets (primer only), and
2. Airguns, and
3. Airsoft, and
4. Aguila Colibris from a .22lr rifle

All of which require some degree of backstop, but nothing excessive, I think that the idea of shooting lead bullets around the house is a really bad idea. It also may be illegal (check your local laws).

[soulless80]

go to the range already... or go to an area somewhere in the woods where no one goes and just shoot there..

[g.willikers]

Ditto on the airgun.
I've used this one for years and it is very realistic, the sights, trigger, and weight. Also quite accurate at garage distances. Cheap, too. Very effective revolver practice.

http://www.pyramydair.com/p/crosman-357-air-gun-revolver.shtml

[tomh1426]

U can load wax or glue bullets with non toxic primers but I dont know if that makes it legal.
http://www.banditshooting.com/
Id probbaly go with a airsoft or bb/pellet gun for garage shootin.

[JohnKSa]

I doubt legality is an issue as long as you insure that no bullets leave the dwelling and the neighbors are not bothered by the noise. Usually there is some kind of exception to local laws about discharging firearms inside city limits in order to allow indoor ranges to exist.

The real issue (at least in my mind) is the lead contamination. Non-Toxic primers would help, but last time I checked you could only get them in loaded ammunition. Maybe that's changed by now.