Ca gun laws


August 21, 2008, 12:33 AM
Can anyone cite the legal language (or point me in the right direction) that indicates it is legal to purchase black powder pistols ( cap and ball ) from a business or individual in california without an FFL, waiting period, DROS, etc. I know it is because I have purchased several here in CA. I just want the definitive legal language that allows this without sifting through the endless garbage on the internet!!!!

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August 21, 2008, 01:05 AM
I think it may be section 12070-12072, but you need to read the law at

You also need to read US Code Title 18, section 921.

DoubleDeuce 1
August 21, 2008, 01:06 AM
Take a look in the California Penal Code for the definitions of firearms. Look around in the sections 12000 PC to 12280 PC (deals with machine guns etc). It should be in there. I don't recall off hand the exact section, but that should get you pointed in the right direction.:cool:

August 21, 2008, 11:36 AM
Why. the good companys will always know the CA laws and if you can send you a gun or not. Depending on what your looking on purchasing a good CA friendly site is Cabelas

August 21, 2008, 04:35 PM
I just happen to carry around the "Dangers Weapons Control Law" publication from the CA DOJ marked for internal use only.

Section 12020(b) Subdivision (a) does not apply to any of the following:

(5) Any antique firearm. For purposes of this section, "antique firearm" means any firearm not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional center fire ignition with fixed ammunition and manufactured in or before 1898 ( including any matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap or similar type of ignition system or replica thereof, whether actually manufactured before or after the year 1898) and also any firearm using fixed ammunition manufactured in or before 1898, for which ammunition is no longer manufactured in the United States and is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade.

Trigger Hippy
August 22, 2008, 06:05 PM
What about percussion pistols that are not replicas of a particular historic model (such as Pedersoli's Howdah for example)?


August 22, 2008, 06:16 PM
regardless of when they were made if they use a cap, flintlock, percussion cap, loaded from the muzzle. they are not considered firearms. In order for them to be considered firearms they would have to be made to shoot cartriges which can readily be loaded. In this case when you have a cap and ball then put in a conversion cylinder. With the conversion cylinder in it it must be treated like a cartridge firing firearm. However the cylinder is just a part. As such a part is not regulated by ffl. So one can purchase a conversion cylinder easily. However when you change back to bp cylinder its considered a antique black powder arm. New inline rifles are considered black powder arms. they can be straight out purchased without a dros or ffl. They take powder and a bullet down the muzzle.

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