Will firearms disappear in America?


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Yo Mama
August 23, 2008, 11:56 AM
Part of my post is in regards to politics of the day. Part of my post is also in regards to the breakdown of America psyche. Will firearms disappear in America?

I saw a poll. It said that 55 percent of America believes in stricter gun control (CNN-I know don't take it to heart). My point is that means a majority of America believes we need more gun control. This would have never happened years ago, but is the time ripe for the disarming of citizens? We have a possible Obama/Biden presidency! Combined with the lack of fight America has on this issue, and numberous bills to come, it's a bit frightening.

Our country founded on never trusting the government has now adopted a cradle to the grave approach. I think our founders would be spinning in their graves.

What are your thoughts looking at your children? I worry I won't be able to pass down firearms I worked hard for to get. I worry they will not have land to use and enjoy as I have. I worry that laws enacted will make them vulnerable to evil. Or do I worry to much?

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Nolo
August 23, 2008, 11:59 AM
This thread could get ugly.
Anyway, the CNN poll is bunk. The firearms movement is growing, and I believe we have a clear majority in the country.
Now, Congress on the other hand, is different.
But I fail to see how tens of millions of people would just give up their guns to a Congress that they hate.
Maybe I'm just being optimistic. Or maybe it's time to break out the popcorn.

General Geoff
August 23, 2008, 12:03 PM
Rights do not disappear just because they're unpopular, even if the poll is correct.

pappy
August 23, 2008, 12:04 PM
Will firearms disappear in America?
I really do not think so. The gun culture in America runs way too deep. We will see it regulated sometimes more, sometimes less depending on which goobers are in control, but overall I think guns in America will be part of our culture for as long as America exists, however long or short that may be, but that's a topic for a different time and place.

ByAnyMeans
August 23, 2008, 12:05 PM
I would have to agree with the others. It seems to me that although there have been some setbacks we have actually improved the situation since say 1994 when the AWB was introduced.

Werewolf
August 23, 2008, 12:06 PM
As the USA becomes a more and more dangerous place to live more and more folks who claim to be anti-gun will decide maybe they need one to keep themselves alive. Guns may become illegal for the proles but that will not keep them out of their hands.

So to answer your question: NO! Firearms will not disappear in America. They may go into hiding but they will not disappear.

mec
August 23, 2008, 12:07 PM
Look for black gun, ammunition and handgun sales to go through the roof starting now. (actually, starting about a year ago).
The incomming order of things may not have time to promote an anti gun agenda given the world -wide contempt for their ability to preserve,protect and defend our independence.

Officers'Wife
August 23, 2008, 12:43 PM
Americans tend to be an independent lot. Despite the bad press it's not the unwashed johnpoppers that are hiding weapons and looking sideways at the laws on firearm possession. So long as mills and lathes are available there will be firearms. As long as lead, aluminum, cotton and battery acid is available there will be ammunition. The Founding Fathers warned us that governments are inherently evil. Americans tend to resist that evil. The future is still bright.

Selena

Yo Mama
August 23, 2008, 12:56 PM
I wrote the post mainly as I'm younger, and haven't had as much history as some here. The posts so far made me feel better, but keep em coming.

SCKimberFan
August 23, 2008, 12:57 PM
Firearms will disappear as soon as crime disappears. Neither is likely to happen, so keep your gun to defend yourself and those near to you.

TIMC
August 23, 2008, 12:58 PM
Will firearms disappear in America?

Not in my lifetime!

Baldy
August 23, 2008, 01:00 PM
From my cold dead fingers. Nuf-said.

lechiffre
August 23, 2008, 01:00 PM
I saw a poll. It said that 55 percent of America believes in stricter gun control (



i don't think most people realize how much gun control there is

SCKimberFan
August 23, 2008, 01:00 PM
Quote:
Will firearms disappear in America?

Not in my lifetime!

+1 Not as long as I am alive. There will be at least 1.

CrawdaddyJim
August 23, 2008, 01:01 PM
When the sun no longer shines on earth. Maybe then. Maybe....

Jim

The Wiry Irishman
August 23, 2008, 01:09 PM
Take a look at the results of those same polls in the early to mid nineties. A VAST majority wanted more gun control. A lot of progress has been made since then.

Old Grump
August 23, 2008, 01:11 PM
Have to deduct 20 points off any poll run by an organization founded by Mr. 'Elitest' himself. Too many Democrats have guns and have no intention of giving them up for a Liberal administration to have much effect. Any overt attempt to abolish guns will have him tied up defending himself to the exclusion of all his duties as POTUS and even if he isn't smart enough to figure that out himself his advisers will.

They will continue the California style of restricting this little point and this little point and another little point and try to make gun powder and loaded ammo so cost prohibitive that they will dry up the supply. Hard to sell a gun if the prospective owner has to get a permit every time he wants to buy a box of 38 special ammo.

Even Australia and England haven't been able to take all the guns, the owners just don't dare use them and Australia is beginning to roll back some of its more draconian measures. Heller is a big step for us but only one of many we have to take. The fact that 48 states are CCW and counties in Illinois are even talking about defying Springfield and Chicago's throat hold on them is a positive step.

I see the glass as slightly more than half full and filling up a drop at a time. Even a Liberal Congress and a Liberal POTUS have limits. In the meantime I will continue to wear out my guns by shooting them

geekWithA.45
August 23, 2008, 01:11 PM
The option to individually own, posess, and carry at discretion effective individual arms, (which at this time in history means militarily credible firearms) are a NECESSARY precondition to freedom. In other words, you cannot be truly free without the option of arms.

It is not, however, SUFFICIENT, in and of itself, to maintain a state of liberty.


The question you're really asking is "Will Liberty disappear in America?"

The answer is hell no, not on my watch.

SCKimberFan
August 23, 2008, 01:22 PM
The question you're really asking is "Will Liberty disappear in America?"

It is closer than you think.

Z-Michigan
August 23, 2008, 01:23 PM
Polls can be found to say anything you want. I don't trust any of them, even in the rare instances they were made as fair as possible.

Judging from politics, I think a slight majority of americans have been fine with gun control at least since 1968. I don't think anyone got very excited in opposition until 1986 or so. But I'm fairly young so I don't have useful personal memory earlier than the early 1990's, and I may be wrong.

I don't think guns are disappearing any time soon. I do think legislative challenges to practical gun ownership will continue indefinitely. Thanks to a variety of sources, including the NRA, I think we're in a better position than we were in the early 1990's, though perhaps by only a bit.

Gaffer
August 23, 2008, 01:23 PM
I really think that over time gun ownership will become limited. It is inevitable given that the numbers of people hunting is shrinking and fewer kids are taking up such sport. As the country becomes more liberal and socialistic the leaders will become more anti gun.

One only has to look at California, New York and Massachusetts to see what happens when we lose our clout.

Quiet
August 23, 2008, 01:49 PM
Firearms are so ingrained into American culture that it would be an impossible task to completely rid the country of them.

The American Revolutionary war started when the British government moved to confiscate arms from the colonists.

hotshotshoting
August 23, 2008, 01:51 PM
gaffer there are more people with guns then ever before... concealed weapons permits are rising at an astronomical rate... where do you get your facts? either way cali, ny, and mass have always been liberal... nothing has changed...

or you could perhaps look at Washington dc and their 30 year handgun ban that the supreme court said unconstitutional ban and lifted it... that's progress... i think the biggest issues will arise with the upcoming election...

pbearperry
August 23, 2008, 01:55 PM
Firearms along with all forms of common sense will disapear eventually here in the USA.We are on a collision course with 3rd world status.

hotshotshoting
August 23, 2008, 01:58 PM
ya cause no 3rd world countries have firearms....

Prince Yamato
August 23, 2008, 02:02 PM
if they really want them,they will have to come and take them.

TAB
August 23, 2008, 02:04 PM
At some point, yes. In the near future, most likly not. you just never know. If enough of the states vote on a amendment to the USCONS, it could happen.

I'm not saying that will happen, or may happen. I'm just saying it could happen. For all we know some guy working could be only a day away from pattening a working "phaser".

hotshotshoting
August 23, 2008, 02:08 PM
if that happened it wouldn't make firearms disappear....

you can still get guns in England but they are illegal there...


basically what your saying is that crime disappears if laws are passed...
either way if that does get passed i guess i will be a criminal

Prophet
August 23, 2008, 02:10 PM
I was reading something in Outdoor magazine about the CCW license requests in TX going up... I think it said 40%?

Perhaps someone else could clarify this.

I do not think that guns are going to "disappear", unless perhaps by means of an illusion. ;)

Slotback
August 23, 2008, 02:25 PM
When one sees a poll, one should wonder about its statistical sample. For example, if the sample is in Berkeley, California it will be completely different from say a town in Alabama.

Firearms aren't going away any time soon.

yokel
August 23, 2008, 02:35 PM
Firearms along with all forms of common sense will disapear eventually here in the USA.We are on a collision course with 3rd world status.

Indeed, the so-called U.S. is eventually going to go the way of Mexico or Zimbabwe, i.e., the wrecking of a once vibrant economy by trampling on democracy, abrogating constitutional freedoms, repressing the press, using the police and army to carry out political repression, using draconian legislation to suppress all opposition and compromising the independence of the courts.

esmith
August 23, 2008, 02:36 PM
Guns aren't going anywhere, at least not for a long time. There will be restrictions put on them for sure, but so long as this Earth turns there will be firearms on it.

As for the presence of firearms in America i don't think they're going anywhere either. As much as the gun grabber want you to think there's 1. Too many damn guns out there and 2. Too much of a gun culture. As for the polls telling you that more people favor more gun control, those are just usually a load of hogwash.

If guns go away, it'll just be sticks and stones, violence will never stop between different factions of the Human race.

Loomis
August 23, 2008, 02:48 PM
I've only read a few posts on this thread. Then I gave up in disgust. ONce again, I am completely opposed to the majority here on the high road.

I think that if you look at the last 30 years for a trend, there is only one conclusion to come to:

Guns will eventually dissapear from america. We will become like australia or the UK.

But, just because a trend has been established for30 years does not mean it will continue for another 30 years. So I still have hope.

That poll is probably accurate. I don't know if I am amongst republicans or democrats here, or a mix. this isn't a political place. It is a gun place. We are gun enthusiasts here. Not democrats or republicans here.

But...I will use democrats and republicans as a paralell to our gun discussion. Democrats outnumber republicans in america. However, republicans are more likely to vote. So it ends up being a virtual tie in the long run.

Gun advocates vs gun grabbers are a similar situation. The gun grabbers outnumber the gun enthusiasts in america, but the gun grabbers are more passive. The gun enthusiasts have a bigger voice when it counts. So in the long run, it should be a virtual tie. If we are victorious in maintaining our rights or even regaining past rights that we are currently be forced to do without...it will be by a hair. Nothing will be decided by an overwhelming majority. We win by a hair, or we lose by a hair. It's entirely up to us which way it falls.

If we are passive or only mildly interested, we will lose, because we are outnumbered. If we are to prevail, we must do so by being smarter and louder and maybe even more sneaky, than our adversary. Just being in the right is not enough, but it does help. And we are in the right. They are in the wrong. This fact helps to motivate us to overcome the advantage of numbers that our opposition has over us.

This is the situation as i see it.

LightningJoe
August 23, 2008, 03:12 PM
Guns and politics have been a dangerous combination for Dems. They hate guns, but their real agenda is elsewhere and they don't want guns to interfere.


I'd expect future legislation to make guns harder to get and more expensive. $1000 tax on guns, $2000 for a CHL, %200 tax on ammo, that sort of thing.

Loomis
August 23, 2008, 03:19 PM
ONe more thing to get off my chest...

I've seen posts here(on thr, not this thread) denegrating the "ring of fire" firearms. This really hurts me to see such talk on a pro-gun forum. You can prefere one brand over another. Everyone does. But these guns along with 50 caliber rifles and high capacity magazines and pistol grip rifles and folding stock rifles/shotguns ARE OUR BATTLE GROUNDS. This is where we make our stand. If we are victorious, we seek to defeat the 1993 hangun law, then the 1986 firearm owners protection act, then all the gun control bills of 1968, then finally the first travesty of justice...the 1934 national firearms act.

Here are some statistics that should wake you up and put the fear in you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Fig_44_-_Do_you_have_guns_in_your_home_-_Men.JPG

Navy joe
August 23, 2008, 03:21 PM
I've only read a few posts on this thread. Then I gave up in disgust. ONce again, I am completely opposed to the majority here on the high road.

So you give up in disgust because everyone doesn't agree with you? Life must be rough for you.

I disagree with your trend too. For awhile in this world you had to be documented when buying ammo (68-86). The black rifle culture really didn't exist until Bill Clinton created it in 1994. Gun ownership is advancing, we need to keep the press on.

Cosmoline
August 23, 2008, 03:23 PM
I think that if you look at the last 30 years for a trend, there is only one conclusion to come to:

Guns will eventually dissapear from america. We will become like australia or the UK.

Let's actually look at the past 30 years, shall we?

--Assault weapons ban? FAILED AND SUNSETED
--Leftist anti-gun bills? FAILED
--Handgun ban proposals? FAILED
--Anti-CCW laws? REPEALED AND REPLACED
--Hard core anti-gun dems? FAILED AND OUSTED
--Gun makers? PROTECTED BY LEGISLATION
--The Second Amendment? REVIVED BY SCOTA

Those are just the highlights. How you can be so down-at-the mouth in the face of these hard-won victories is beyond me. It borders on the paranoid. You seem fixated on what's happened overseas, but they have structurally different governments in those nations and have been ruled by socialists for many generations now. Folks who make Bill Clinton look like a centrist.


Here are some statistics that should wake you up and put the fear in you.

You put far too much faith on those poll results. Most of us do not answer polls, and most of us sure as hades don't tell some unknown person on the phone whether we have firearms. I don't even have a hard line phone anymore. You also have to find out what the question was, and who was asked. Nationwide polls that are based on a random sampling of a small number of phone numbers are almost invariably biased towards the urban centers, and they have no way of adjusting state-by-state. This is a nation of many nations. Each one a sovereign. You have to look at the picture state-by-state or you will be lost in abject confusion.

Not to say there's no danger. There is enormous danger, primarily arising from the fact that while the anti-gun left has been routed in the hustings, it still controls the school system. They are brainwashing the next generation to fear and hate firearms. If there is a battleground we are overlooking, this is it. To spend resources on the NFA itself is a waste of effort. That's ground lost for too long. Moreover, the only hope of effecting such a tremendous change comes from appealing to the young.

Soybomb
August 23, 2008, 03:29 PM
This would have never happened years ago
How many years ago?

At the moment, no I don't think so. Gun ownership has gone through some rough years but I think its on an up swing partially thanks to the internet and I think its turning into a stronger community.

Loomis
August 23, 2008, 03:32 PM
You last two posters are pure polyannas.

When I said I gave up in disgust, I meant giving up in reading pure nonesense and skipped to posting my post. But thanks for twisting my words and showing your true colors there bud.

The second ammendment was revived by a dam hair, you fool! We are lucky to even have a constitution! It's only because we are louder than the majority that this country even exists.

In otherwords, I am right.

Loomis
August 23, 2008, 03:39 PM
Post #37

Nice list. I like it, I really do.

Here's the problem. We must be victorious always. They must only be victorious ONCE. So listing our victories is meaningless. So far, we are playing defense, and they are playing offense.

TEDDY
August 23, 2008, 03:44 PM
SINCE most of you are young I am 84.I have seen quite a bit.schools had rifle teem until the 1960s some are still in existance.look at the number of guns manufactured.I think 3,000,000 a yr.most people ignore the lawss on guns,the amount of MGs out there are enormous.
as to Mass. there are gun clubs all over some with300/400members.240,000
registered gun owner the other 1,500,000 wount pay the $100 fee.you really should wake up and smell the roses.:fire::uhoh:;)

scrat
August 23, 2008, 03:47 PM
Two cheers for post 37

CRITGIT
August 23, 2008, 03:48 PM
We've become a docile society. As long as we believe the gov keeps us safe and won't interfere with are ability to consume we'll let 'em strip us of our rights. We just experienced within the past 8 years the largest wholesale rights reduction in modern times! But as long as it wasn't directly gun related we rolled.:eek:
We either educate and recruit people of all political and social leanings or we'll shoot ourselves in the foot and perhaps slightly higher!
Bashing the ignorant just reinforces their negative perception of us and guns.
Out smart 'em folks........ or tighten the circle progressively!

CRITGIT

RP88
August 23, 2008, 03:50 PM
No.

Our real concern is whether or not their legal/constitutional status will disappear. Hopefully the gun issue keeps shrinking and nobody will care after awhile. But, since that is unlikely, then the gun lobby needs to keep its leverage. So far, so good, compared to how things were fifteen years ago.

But, with our gov's diplomatic desires to be like the pretentious socialists in the EU and so forth....well, who knows.

everallm
August 23, 2008, 04:14 PM
Polls are like statistics, they can be made to prove anything you please.

If I wanted to, I can prove statistically that over the last 200 years, the rise in the numbers of operas is directly correlated with the fall of incidents of piracy in the Carribean............Dear God, that doesn't mean that we need any more of Wagners "Ring Cycle".

CZ-100
August 23, 2008, 04:25 PM
This thread could get ugly.
Anyway, the CNN poll is bunk. The firearms movement is growing, and I believe we have a clear majority in the country.
Now, Congress on the other hand, is different.
But I fail to see how tens of millions of people would just give up their guns to a Congress that they hate.
Maybe I'm just being optimistic. Or maybe it's time to break out the popcorn.

I agree..

and with the recent SCOTUS ruling, i do not think it will happen.

wingman
August 23, 2008, 04:30 PM
I was raised the the 40's and have seen the changes first hand, population overall is one of the greatest threats to firearms ownership, simply it becomes much harder to control the bad element in society as we have more bodies, so laws will increase and most firearms will become so expensive the average Joe cannot afford them not unlike other countries only the wealthy have certain hobbies.

I know its not what everyone likes to believe but if we gain another 150 billion in 40 years I think we will enjoy very few things we currently do, now for those of us over 40 :D the question is does it matter I guess only if you have grandchildren that like guns.

Nolo
August 23, 2008, 04:33 PM
IBTL...
I need to stop posting in threads that are reaching the end of their useful lives...
But this statement piques my interest:
Here's the problem. We must be victorious always. They must only be victorious ONCE. So listing our victories is meaningless. So far, we are playing defense, and they are playing offense.
Allow me to refute this:
They had a victory. It was called the AWB. It has only helped out side.
If the movement keeps up the momentum that it is currently enjoying, they cannot win.
Period.
End of story.
Now, whether it does or not is an entirely different question.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
August 23, 2008, 04:34 PM
I think the answer is:

--Most likely
--In civilian hands
--Eventually (probably take hundreds if not thousands of years)
--Yes, definitely.

We are moving toward socialism the way most of Western Europe does it. So in a couple/few hundred years, we will have Australia/UK style restrictions. Eventually some tyrant will find a way to gain control of the European Union, and all militarys under its control, and will thus have a monopoly on force. Then take over the world and (of course) disarm all civilians of all weapons. Hitler II or Hitler III will succeed. Maybe Hitler IV. The unified state will still need guns to control the masses. Of course, small uprisings here and there will occur by subjects seizing guns from the state, but they will be quickly quelled. It's just a matter of time I'm afraid.

So anyway, how 'bout those American Olympians!!?? :D

Nolo
August 23, 2008, 04:43 PM
I think the answer is:

--Most likely
--In civilian hands
--Eventually (probably take hundreds if not thousands of years)
--Yes, definitely.

We are moving toward socialism the way most of Western Europe does it. So in a couple/few hundred years, we will have Australia/UK style restrictions. Eventually some tyrant will find a way to gain control of the European Union, and all militarys under its control, and will thus have a monopoly on force. Then take over the world and (of course) disarm all civilians of all weapons. Hitler II or Hitler III will succeed. Maybe Hitler IV. The unified state will still need guns to control the masses. Of course, small uprisings here and there will occur by subjects seizing guns from the state, but they will be quickly quelled. It's just a matter of time I'm afraid.
Sauces, can you tell me what info you have that allows you to make predictions hundreds and thousands of years in the future?
Honestly, you can't speculate past 20 years anymore.
And I think many doomsayers will be very surprised. Very surprised, indeed.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
August 23, 2008, 04:45 PM
I am very glad you are optimistic. I hope you are right. You may be. As I said, "most likely"..... For NOW, the pendulum is swinging in our direction in the US of A. :) :)

Nolo
August 23, 2008, 04:47 PM
I'm just wondering (quite honestly) what rigid underlying trend you're looking at that allows you to make predictions so far ahead...
:confused:
But to illuminate my view of things, the homeschooling movement, the charter school movement and the voucher movement are gaining steam. These will have a huge impact on the (true) education of future generations. And, in turn, RKBA. The US public school system's days are numbered.
Namecalling appears to have died down, maybe this thread will actually return to rational discussion and debate.

guntotinguy
August 23, 2008, 05:23 PM
if they really want them,they will have to come and take them.


Yep..and isnt it said that a country who allows people to have firearms are called citizens?And those who do not the populus is called 'subjects'?

I would like to believe that we Americans,by legal means and by right of voting would never let this happen,yet it is IMO that Americans in our beloved country needs to wake up and start being a little more positively active...

Nolo
August 23, 2008, 05:24 PM
I would like to believe that we Americans,by legal means and by right of voting would never let this happen,yet it is IMO that Americans in our beloved country needs to wake up and start being a little more positively active...
Agreed. But they are.
We are.

BillyBothHands
August 23, 2008, 05:41 PM
There is another surge of new gun owners again right now. It seems to come in cycles. At the gun shops, my ranges, and gun shows(all DFW area) I'm seeing more and more new shooters/buying first gun folks around. I've given more advice and basic safety lessons in the past 6 months than I have in a really long time. Just as an interesting observation, I'm seeing a lot of women 35-50 handgun shopping. I've seen a great deal of them accompanied by a son/daughter who already shoots (which is awesome, how cool would it be to turn it around and teach a parent how to shoot!) I've also a lot of our younger Troops that are coming home and buying because they previous to enlistment they had no experience and now they are hooked. We still have a long hard road in front of us, but all said it seems to be a pretty healthy climate. I see fewer of the 'extremist make us look like fool' types at gun shows and the new shooters present seem to have the good sense to stay away from their tables (that makes me smile).

LKB3rd
August 23, 2008, 05:59 PM
Rights do not disappear just because they're unpopular, even if the poll is correct.
This is an excellent point. So many people believe that we live in a democracy. this is wrong. We have a constitutional republic, where you have rights even if you are the only person in the world with your opinion. Our system was designed to protect the rights of a minority from being trampled.
Now, we all need to go out and spread the word on this. Don't let people get away with calling our system a democracy, because in a democracy, a 55 percent vote can take away our rights as gun owners.

VegasOPM
August 23, 2008, 06:53 PM
Disappear?!? Not likely. There are over 60,000,000 gun owners in this country that own somewhere between 200,000,000 and 1,000,000,000 guns. Even if they were made illegal tomorrow, they aren't going away.

MT GUNNY
August 23, 2008, 07:08 PM
I think its just the opposite. Since I became Politically aware about year and a half ago, Ive seen allot of gun politics happening. Mostly good, and some bad. Is it just me? thinking that we are going through a Gun Revolution of sorts.

mbt2001
August 23, 2008, 07:36 PM
We just one the biggest RKBA case ever, we have been gaining ground on CCW and RKBA since the 90's... Texas has so many people re-upping for CCW permits and applying out right that it has caused a stall in the system. They had to get more people to handle the backlog.

I think the party has just started.

Lady with a Gun
August 23, 2008, 08:15 PM
If the leftists were able to completely close down all firearm manufacturers and collect all the firearms, now in civilian hands, the only result would be the start of clandestine manufacturers. They would not be making ordinary civilian firearms. It is a far simpler manufacturing process to build firearms on the order of the STEN gun, than to build any other kind of firearm. Why? The STEN gun is not dependent upon the close tolerances needed for a locked breech firearm.

BTW: The STEN gun is a submachinegun.

762 shooter
August 23, 2008, 08:36 PM
Thankfully there are so many guns in this country that in any possible scenario, no one or no group could hope to get rid of them.

They may be outlawed.
They may be confiscated.
They may be demonized.
They may be the unholy tools of the antichrist.

But they will always be around.

Make sure you got some of one kind and some of another.

God bless the pygmies and my Parson Russell.

streakr
August 23, 2008, 09:03 PM
No.

streakr

rondog
August 23, 2008, 09:21 PM
I look at the people around me everywhere I go, and in my opinion, the VAST MAJORITY of them ALL look to be SHEEP, and it scares me.

The numbers of delirious ninnies wetting themselves over this Democratic National Convention here in Denver, and the candidates, is truly upsetting to me.

I fear this country is sliding towards Communism, only under another name and policy manual.

Gunnerpalace
August 23, 2008, 09:26 PM
The "Halo" generation as much as some people deride it here, video gamers in general will be big time gun owners. especially with the realism now, I see a revival of the shootings sports coming.

hotshotshoting
August 24, 2008, 04:28 AM
even if legislature and confiscation existed... you can just imagine how well it will work because it has worked so well for drugs... right? not to mention the fact that you can defend yourself with your firearm its tougher to defend yourself with drugs...

brigadier
August 24, 2008, 05:12 AM
We, and nearly all of the UN countries have adopted a: "talk, don't do" way about us. As long as we gripe and complain about the government taking our rights and don't FORCE stop them, this insanity will continue, with or without the people's consent.
I think we can learn allot from the Russia-Georgia conflict.
All these countries bordering Russia have been playing games and ignoring Russia's threats as the united world has been taught to do. It was ACTION that got their attention.

jonmerritt
August 24, 2008, 06:00 AM
someone fogot to tell DC, that the Heller decision, means, the people, can have guns.

Waitone
August 24, 2008, 08:01 AM
I don't pay any more attention to polls (particularly gun polls) than I do to Wikipedia articles. Too many unknowns about either to trust the data.

moooose102
August 24, 2008, 08:24 AM
the firearms in america, will last longer than we do!

sillpapa
August 24, 2008, 08:47 AM
THINK ABOUT THIS???
All of us MUST stand up for our RIGHT to bear arms . But ther are certain one in Washington D.C . That feel they can take away that right.So think twice when you cast your vote in the upcomming Election
Then think about the Men & Woman who made gave there all so we can BEAR ARMS & BE FREE!!!

wingman
August 24, 2008, 08:57 AM
We have a rising extreme liberal left along with an under educated third world population classic example of a rich/poor society which will work against firearms "legal" ownership. It really depends how political active we are but to assume we have firearms now and so it will be in the future is naive. In my youth I also assumed much of what was predicted was insane but much of it is here and we accept it.

Navy joe
August 24, 2008, 09:49 AM
You last two posters are pure polyannas.

When I said I gave up in disgust, I meant giving up in reading pure nonesense and skipped to posting my post. But thanks for twisting my words and showing your true colors there bud.

The second ammendment was revived by a dam c*** hair, you fool! We are lucky to even have a constitution! It's only because we are louder than the majority that this country even exists.

In otherwords, I am right.

Wow, I am stunned by the convincing carefully crafted argument you have there. Keep up the High Road work there talking about people you don't know.

Here's the problem. We must be victorious always. They must only be victorious ONCE. So listing our victories is meaningless. So far, we are playing defense, and they are playing offense.

I say we're on the offensive. We've got a Constitutional guarantee that is backed by a ton of precedent going back to before our country was founded. Heller is another small piece. We were on the offensive before Heller and will stay that way. As to me being called a fool by you, I actually had some hope that we would have lost Heller in a spectacular manner just so that a fine point would be put on things. Judging by the dissenting opinions the majority opinion if we had lost would have been so anti-American that Ray Charles could have seen it. Thread title was will firearms disappear in America, not will somebody outlaw them and everyone will comply. So, I don't put too much stock in Heller except for that it is an excellently written piece of decided law that will be much harder for future decisions to go against. But I forgot, I'm a fool and you're right.

doc2rn
August 24, 2008, 10:25 AM
The answer is hell no, not on my watch.


I'm with GeekWitha.45 on this one, veterans would revolt!

Wopasaurus
August 24, 2008, 10:45 AM
"You cannot invade the mainland United States.
There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."

- Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto (Japanese Navy)


I hope that this is always true throughout this country's history.

BruceRDucer
August 24, 2008, 11:06 AM
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My point is that means a majority of America believes we need more gun control.---THR member Yo Mama

A shift in thinking has occurred, probably assisted by public education, which is a governmental activity.

Americans no longer believe in government BY THE PEOPLE. They now tend to believe in government by ....the government.

:what::eek::p

taprackbang
August 24, 2008, 11:26 AM
The problem with America is FORCED Collectivism. They think that they are doing good by 'blending into traffic' with others. If the media says it, then it's true.
Being a gun owner takes you from being a subject to a citizen and the propaganda put forth is that those days have changed.
People have changed, but human nature has never changed. We need to be armed more than ever with all of the imminent dangers we face in this society.

yokel
August 24, 2008, 11:49 AM
We, and nearly all of the UN countries have adopted a: "talk, don't do" way about us. As long as we gripe and complain about the government taking our rights and don't FORCE stop them, this insanity will continue, with or without the people's consent.

We live in a time when those who are willing to deliberately put themselves in harm's way to defend their rights are few and far between.

One might surmise that for the vast majority, the right to keep and bear arms is just not that serious, nor will it ever likely be under any circumstances.

Online bombast doesn't mean a whole lot.

esmith
August 24, 2008, 11:55 AM
We live in a time when those who are willing to deliberately put themselves in harm's way to defend their rights are few and far between.


This is right. Unfortunatley so, those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it. The Jews along with everyone in Nazi Germany were being disarmed way before WWII had started. When the Holocaust began firearms were not existing in the numbers that would have been sufficient to stop the government.

Now in the US it's a little different. Our 2nd Amendment is the only thing that guarantees the others.

crushbup
August 24, 2008, 12:44 PM
Go on to Democratic Underground (a sort of fan club forum)
Go to their firearms forum

Plenty of the people there like guns and own them. They just think that nobody else should have them. People like that will always exist, and even if guns are banned, these people will get friends in government positions to make exceptions for them.

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