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Savage Shooter
August 23, 2008, 03:49 PM
Does anyone know who makes the revolving shotgun that's on el dorado (John Wayne Movie) or is it just a movie prop. I really like the looks of it I think its a 12ga by the looks of it.

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Fred Fuller
August 23, 2008, 04:03 PM
Colt made revolving shotguns (rifles too) when their handguns were among the first repeating firearms.

Like black powder revolvers, however, the black powder loaded revolving shotguns and rifles had an occasional tendency to 'flash over' from chamber to chamber in the cylinder when fired.

That made revolving rifles and shotguns sorta unpopular, given where most people put their left hands when firing them...

lpl

Pics of one example of a Colt revolving shotgun at http://www.collectorebooks.com/gregg01/shotguns/Lot-1113.htm

rcmodel
August 23, 2008, 04:07 PM
Haven't watched it for years, but Mississippi (James Caan) used a sawed-off double-barrel shotgun "pistol" as I recall.

rcmodel

Savage Shooter
August 23, 2008, 04:13 PM
yep I like mississippi's gun to man that things got a good kick on her no one handed shooting with that baby.
the black powder loaded revolving shotguns and rifles had an occasional tendency to 'flash over' from chamber to chamber in the cylinder when fired.

This one is not black powder it shoots shells.

rcmodel
August 23, 2008, 04:17 PM
Can you post a pic so we don't have to watch the movie?

I really can't remember what gun you are talking about.

And I can't recall any cartridge firing revolving shotguns until the Stryker / Street Sweepers & such came along in the 1980's.

rcmodel

Loomis
August 23, 2008, 04:21 PM
Don't know.

I'd really like to know about this. I've verbally asked lots of people I know about this over the years.

My father has told me many (illegal by today's standards) hunting stories about his father-in-law taking him road hunting with sawed off revolver shotguns. I can't find anything to verify his outlandish stories.

I really want to believe they are all true.

Studebakers...ramblers...VW microbuses...holes accidentally shot through floor boards and windows and roofs...motors that acutally kept-a-going even with holes shot in them(by accident)

Fred Fuller
August 23, 2008, 04:26 PM
Shells?

Sounds like Hollywood prop room stuff to me. May have been a cartridge conversion of on old frontstuffer revolving shotgun done IRL, I dunno. Never saw one or heard of one.

lpl

Clipper
August 23, 2008, 04:26 PM
Bull used a revolving rifle. It appeared to be in .45-70, or some other long-case round.

Savage Shooter
August 23, 2008, 04:43 PM
i'll try to find some pics on google but I'm watching the movie now. I can say it doesn't look like the one in the post above.

Fred Fuller
August 23, 2008, 04:48 PM
Well well well.

A little book based homework tells me there was a German-made Becker revolving shotgun that used shells. It was produced shortly after WW1.

Can't find any info online yet tho...

lpl

scrat
August 23, 2008, 05:09 PM
love that movie.

give
August 23, 2008, 05:13 PM
the gun mississippi used was in fact a sawed off double,and it wasent black powder either,

Loomis
August 23, 2008, 05:18 PM
I was about to say that the link was not even close to applicable.
but then I started thinking...


My dad always said they were 4-shot guns that he'd neve seen before nor siince. so I went looking for a revolver with only 4 chambers all these years.

BUT!

Lets say they were old black powder 5 shot cylinders and they kept them with one chamber empty. Lets say that my ole dad was a young know-nothing kid from the city that was out with the old timers from the hills. Lets say these old timers had a stash of sawed off colt revolver shotguns. Lets say that they went-a-road hunting real regular-like and took him along.

Then lets say they handed him one of these mysterious guns and he shot it unitll it went click. Then they handed him another.

He would naturally believe he was shooting a 4 shot revolver. If they never had him reload, then he wouldn't know about the details ofthe individual guns.

I think we might be on to something here.

Clipper
August 23, 2008, 05:18 PM
I whipped out my DVD of El Dorado and took another look. It appears to be a 1855 Colt, .56 caliber, 5-shot percussion. There's the proper side-hinged hammer and the right sights, but the it appears that the forend has been shortened and the cleaning rod eliminated, making me think it's either a later civilian production Colt, or a reproduction.

dogbob
August 23, 2008, 06:01 PM
This is close....
http://www.famars.com/rombo.htm

Or this is better....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4ebtj1jR7c

It's a matter of how much $$ you have!

Savage Shooter
August 23, 2008, 07:00 PM
I got a good close up pic of the rifle it appears that it is infact a 1855 colt BUT it is slightly modified which led me to originaly belive it was not the right gun I was wrong.

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