[Schlickenmeyer]

So we just had our first permit revoked. report said he only had it for a few days. Seems he shot 11 holes in a car. This may or may not be justified depending on the exact circumstances. however the round fired at the fleeing vehicle will be exceedingly hard to justify as self-defense. Felony charges were filed. All of this based on early news info, and subject to change. (news may have said it was the brother's car. didn't hear that part too clear.)

-Steve Rogers
-Director of Operations, PlusP Technology

Steve@PlusP.com

[Schlickenmeyer]

Worse Than I thought.
From KSTP TV - Ch 5
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link has video

http://kstp.com/article/view/118581/

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He had a permit to legally carry a handgun for eight days, before committing a crime. Now, he's the first Minnesotan to have his handgun permit suspended under the state's new gun law.

When the new handgun permit law was debated here at the capitol opponents feared it would turn Minnesota into the "wild west.” That has not happened, but one Minnesota man does have the dubious distinction of being the first to lose his right-to-carry for committing a felony with his handgun.

These tire skid marks mark the end of his right to carry a handgun in public...at least for now.

Damian Petersen: “I probably jumped the gun a little bit.”

34-year old Damian Petersen recently pleaded guilty to "reckless discharge of a firearm."

On the afternoon of July 5th, Petersen was in his driveway when he got into an argument with his 36-year old brother.

According to the criminal complaint, Petersen's brother began ramming his car into a retaining wall and the side of his house. When he wouldn't stop, Damian Petersen "emptied the entire magazine" of a semi-automatic handgun into the car's engine, in an attempt to "kill the motor."

Damian Petersen: “Some things happen without you thinking too much.”

When police pulled his brother's car over on this Anoka county road minutes later, steam was pouring out of "eleven" bullet holes in the hood.

Hauser: “You think you should still be legally entitled to carry a weapon out in public?”

Petersen: “Yes, because I was protecting my property.”

Petersen also admits to firing at least one shot at his brother's car as he drove away. He says he feels bad because the incident upset his neighbors, many with kids who often play nearby.

Damian Petersen: “As anybody in the neighborhood, you don't want to hear gunshots or incidents like this going off. I wouldn't.”

It's important to emphasize Petersen committed his handgun crime on his own property where he didn't need a handgun permit. However, it happened just weeks after he completed gun safety training and just days after getting his permit to carry.

Because he pleaded guilty to a felony, his permit is the first to be suspended under the new law.


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Steve Rogers
Plus P Technology

Steve@PlusP.com

[Gray Peterson]

It's important to emphasize Petersen committed his handgun crime on his own property where he didn't need a handgun permit. However, it happened just weeks after he completed gun safety training and just days after getting his permit to carry.

[Tamara]

They only do a background check, not an IQ test. ;)

[Orthonym]

Think about it! One or two in the block would have killed the car. What's worse, to shoot at a human or to shoot at a machine?

IMHO, the fatal (legally) shot was fired when the other guy was already driving away.

Reminds me of a story: This fellow's wife was hoppin' mad at him and tried to run him down with their car. He happened to be armed and emptied the magazine into the car's engine, not wishing to do violence to a woman. The car didn't stop quickly enough, he had to jump. Guess who got in trouble with the law, the woman who wanted to murder the man, or the man just trying to defend his life without hurting the woman?

P.S. I know this guy (albeit very slightly) and trust him to tell the truth.

[AZ Husker]

One bonehead like this can set progress back years!

[Orthonym]

There's a point here; he wasn't originally shooting wantonly, or at humans, he was TRYING TO KILL THE CAR!

The bad deed was firing at the brother when the brother was driving away!
Generally considered criminal at common law and the statutes of most states! (Unless one is a cop:fire: )

[WonderNine]

Bonehead? That's an understatement. Emptying a autocartridge HANDGUN into the hood of your brothers car in an attempt to instantaniously stop the engine (I'm surpised this moron didn't try to aim for the gas tank) and then being dumb enough to fall for a plea agreement and voluntarily pleading guilty to a felony charge.

This is no Einstein.

[Orthonym]

...that the guy REFRAINED from shooting the human to stop property damage, he shot at PROPERTY to stop property damage! (Until he lost it and fired at his brother driving away- should have told the officer he was trying for a tire;) )

[El Tejon]

No doubt this guy was getting his legal advice from the Errornet.:rolleyes:

El Tejon: "Um, no, you can't shoot someone stealing your property in the back at high noon."
Him: "Well, you can in Tejas!"
El Tejon: "No, you can't and this isn't Texas."
Him: "You can't tell me what to do. [stomping out of office]"

:scrutiny:

[GSB]

Sadly, in a population of over 250 million, there will be a large number of imbeciles. Some of them will have guns. Unfortunately, we end up having to apologize for every single one of them. Law abiding gun owners by definition live their lives invisibly to the media. It's only the mental retreads that get the press. That won't stop the Brady Gestapo from painting us all with the same brush though.

[TallPine]

Sadly, in a population of over 250 million, there will be a large number of imbeciles. Some of them will have cars.



Isn't there some kind of law against ramming your car into someone's house ...?

[Jim March]

Ya, basically we got us TWO morons here and gee, they're from the same gene pool.

:scrutiny:

"Arright, who wizzed in the gene pool?"

[HankB]

...Petersen's brother began ramming his car into a retaining wall and the side of his house. I think there's general agreement that shooting at the departing vehicle was not the best thing to do. But just out of curiosity . . . what DO you do if some idiot is ramming your house with a motor vehicle? :confused:

[Jim March]

The phrase "more issues than the National Geographic" keeps running through my brain...

:rolleyes:

[Augustwest]

With friends like these...

Oy.

[bogie]

I wonder how badly damaged the fellow's trailer ended up...

[GSB]

Isn't there some kind of law against ramming your car into someone's house ...?

Did I anywhere defend the idiot with the car. No. Your parody of my post is not warranted, thank you. Fact: shooting down the street at a fleeing vehicle is the act of an imbecile that can get innocent people killed. The other shots I have no problem with. End of discussion.

[spacemanspiff]

this guys idiocy will now be ammo used by the Brady campaign to prove that 'concealed weapons permit holders are felons and criminals'.

they have a long list already of idiots who commited crimes (often unknowingly) while in possession of a CCW permit. this guy probably just watched that scene in blackhawk down where a sniper with a .223 put one shot through the engine block and stopped a jeep.

[C.R.Sam]

Brothers.
Thai Twins ?
Sharing a brain,
But not efficiently.

Sam

[Carlos Cabeza]

Headlines read: Minnesota first CCW state to require psychiatric evaluations...........................:rolleyes: Whata ya bet ALCOHOL was involved ????

I wonder how badly damaged the fellow's trailer ended up...

:D

[repsychler]

HankB
. . . what DO you do if some idiot is ramming your house with a motor vehicle?

Hope you have good insurance?
If he's not endangering lives, I'd just call the cops. If he is endangering lives (Let's say he's ramming into a wall near where a kid is sleeping) then deadly force is warranted. Use it on him, not the car.

[Standing Wolf]

Damian Petersen: “Some things happen without you thinking too much.”

Curiously, that seems to happen only to dullards, morons, idiots, fools, dummies, and the none too bright.

[Don Gwinn]

Wow, that's stupid.

And maybe I'm just overly cautious, but is everybody standing by these declarations that you "have no problem" with firing at the engine of the car, if only he hadn't fired at the car as the brother drove away? Is that for real?

1. The brother was probably destroying property, but he was apparently not threatening any person with immediate harm, much less death.
(I'll admit that it's possible there were peopld in the house or something like that and it just didn't make it into the article, but that would make the shooter even dumber than you thought, since he didn't bother to mention it and instead justified himself by saying he defended his property.)

2. Firing a gun is lethal force, remember? It doesn't matter if you're firing at an engine block. If you're firing at an engine block in a residential neighborhood, there's a good chance that any bullets with which you miss will project deadly force against one of your neighbors. Is that really a good idea?

So, no, nothing he did made much sense from the information we have. This would, in fact, have been an excellent time to call the cops and be a good witness. Whipping out a pistol and firing eleven times was not the correct solution. It wasn't even in the ballpark in the neighborhood that's part of the same city where you would find the correct solution.

[DigMe]

1 shot stop......11 shot stop...whatever. This proves that they are both mythical. :p

brad cook

[Bigjake]

I wonder how badly damaged the fellow's trailer ended up...


LMAO, good one!

[glockten]

This reminds me of an incident a few years ago in which a guy emptied an AK variant into his own vehicle because it broke down on him.:rolleyes:

[F4GIB]

No trailer. His house (big) and lot (hugh & landscaped) looked to be in the $500,000 range.

He plead guilty to "reckless discharge." Quite properly, IMHO. He did it in his driveway on a residential community (not in the south 40 a far piece from other houses). He endangered everyone in the neighborhood.

[TheeBadOne]

Court records say that Damian Petersen's brother, Devin Petersen, 36, had been working on a motorcycle in one of Petersen's garages on July 5. Damian Petersen heard a bang outside and looked out to see his brother's car hung up on the wall.

Damian Petersen told his brother to stop tearing up the lawn, the records say. Devin Petersen didn't stop, and rammed the wall and house several times while trying to free the car.

Damian Petersen said he called police, and after arguing with his brother and waiting 15 minutes for officers, he went inside and loaded his 10-millimeter semi-automatic Witness pistol.

When he returned, his brother had the car stuck between the wall and the house. He emptied the gun magazine into the car's engine compartment, the complaint said.

"I was just trying to kill the motor," Damian Petersen said Thursday. He said he fired again at a rear tire as his brother drove off, because he wanted to stop him from hurting somebody.

Police stopped the car, steam pouring from its hood, a short time later in St. Francis. Police counted 11 bullet holes in an 18-inch pattern in the hood of the 1989 Mercury Cougar, the complaint said.

His gun permit was suspended by court order July 8, less than two weeks after he obtained it.

In retrospect, Damian Petersen said, he shouldn't have reloaded and taken the last shot as his brother sped off.


http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/4080120.html

[Schlickenmeyer]

Granted, This was a major Moronship Failue. Even worse, he reloaded to fire at the shot at the departing car. Kinda intentional act.

[Frohickey]

According to the criminal complaint, Petersen's brother began ramming his car into a retaining wall and the side of his house. When he wouldn't stop, Damian Petersen "emptied the entire magazine" of a semi-automatic handgun into the car's engine, in an attempt to "kill the motor."

This guy is stupid to. You don't use a handgun to 'kill the motor'. Thats what a 50BMG AP is for. :D

[RVSinOK]

Sounds to me like he should have been running in the house to get the CAMCORDER.....not his handgun! :rolleyes:

[Double Naught Spy]

While I have no doubt his permit will be revoked eventually, right now, the shooter is just suspended as per Minnesota law. I don't know for sure, but I would guess the permit is suspended for the during of whatever appeals might be made and if they are not successful, then it will be revoked.

[TheeBadOne]

While I have no doubt his permit will be revoked eventually, right now, the shooter is just suspended as per Minnesota law. I don't know for sure, but I would guess the permit is suspended for the during of whatever appeals might be made and if they are not successful, then it will be revoked.
Probably dead on, however it's probably a mute point if he's convicted of a felony.

[F4GIB]

Ah, the value of plea bargaining. He goes two years with no further charges and he gets expunged and reinstated. The prosecutor must know that the actual facts are less serious than they appear.