[AMBASSADOR]

Whose got pictures of scoped or Red Dot handguns?Would appreciate pictures.

[MT GUNNY]

Id like to see a S&W 460XVR /scope.

[Steve in PA]

Ruger Super Redhawk .44magnum.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d159/Steve_in_PA/Guns/100_6331.jpg

[RyanM]

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=81348&stc=1&d=1215917294

Federal law says it's a "handgun!"

[Don357]

Here's my 6 1/2" .357mag Ruger Blackhawk sporting it's winter wear. A NcStar 4x32. I use it for a tree stand gun deer hunting. It also has a BSA 30mm Red-Dot for summer Home Defence duty.

[Stevie-Ray]

Ruger Redhawk, Burris 2X

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/GitchiManitou/100_0456.jpg?t=1219537489

[eyebrows]

I have two

Browning Buckmark with w/ Simmons handgun scope,
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=83551&d=1219545851

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=83552&d=1219545858

Tec-22 with Tasco red-dot (still just as accurate as if I had my eyes closed)
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=83554&d=1219545902

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=83553&d=1219545885

[Acera]

That is something else RyanM. How many permits (tax stamps) does it require, and what kind? Did you get it from a dealer or mfg. it yourself?

[Jimmie]

If it's got a rifled barrel, it wouldn't require any permits or tax stamps. If it's a smooth bore, that's a different animal. I think he's got slugs pictured with it, so it's probably a slug gun. I don't know if I'd fire it though. :uhoh:

[21H40]

RyanM,

What's your thinking with those sights? I don't intend to sound like an :cuss: about that choice, but I would have stuck with some iron night sights myself...

I'm always curious when people choose differently than I do, it keeps me learning.

Thanks

[davepool]

MTGUNNY

As soon as i figure out this photo down load process i'll show you my XVR with the leupold VXIII i have mounted.

[Floppy_D]

Why did you photograph those in the refrigerator? ***? :)

My Ruger SBH Hunter is scoped part of the time, I'll dig out pics. To eyebrows' dismay, I won't be photographing them in major appliances.

[Magnum.35744]

To each, his own...;):p

[gbran]

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/gbran/DSC00001.jpg

[davepool]

Must be cause they're "cool" guns :)

[.38 Special]

If it's got a rifled barrel, it wouldn't require any permits or tax stamps.

I don't think that's the whole story. I believe the bore is too large to allow classification as a handgun.

[Jimmie]

Until RyanM chimes back in, I guess we won't know for sure, but I think the NFA exempts it if it's rifled and shoots a shotgun shell.

Pistol. A weapon originally designed, made, and intended to fire a projectile (bullet) from one or more barrels when held in one hand, and having (a) a chamber(s) as an integral part(s) of, or permanently aligned with, the bore(s); and (b) a short stock designed to be gripped by one hand and at an angle to and extending below the line of the bore(s).
(f) Destructive device. -- The term "destructive device" means... (2) any type of weapon by whatever name known which will, or which may be readily converted to, expel a projectile by the action of an explosive or other propellant, the barrel or barrels of which have a bore of more than one-half inch in diameter, except a shotgun or shotgun shell which the Secretary finds is generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting purposes...
http://www.atf.gov/pub/fire-explo_pub/nfa.htm

[Okiecruffler]

Seems like I have a couple around here somewhere.

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/okiecruffler/100_2434.jpg
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/okiecruffler/100_2442.jpg
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/okiecruffler/MissMaxine-1.jpg
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/okiecruffler/frontylog.jpg
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/7693Striker_308.jpg
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/7693Mitchell_Left_1.JPG

[eyebrows]

FloopyD:
Used the fridge because it had better lighting than the oven.

Okiecruffler:
Nice! What is pic 4?

[Acera]

Jimmie, if rifled you might be correct. But with the vertical pivoting foregrip attached that would not be legal if he did not have a stamp.

I also just don't know what kind of increase in accuracy you can expect from the scope, hopefully RyanM will chime in and let us know more about this unique gun.

[CZ 42]

Can't yall tell it's a serbu shorty with a pachmayr grip and scope? This must not be where the shotgun crowd browses...
It's a $5 tax because Serbu gets their 590 receivers made (from the factory) as 'pistol' receivers, meant for PGO. Also, it's very accurate and recoil isn't too bad with the new grip.

[MCgunner]

http://thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=44635&d=1157822048

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh305/goose150/PICT0226.jpg

[Creade]

Haha, I was going to ask Eyebrows if he had any tips on how the rest of us could retrofit our refrigerators into gunsafes!

[Acera]

CZ 42 I would have to agree with you. I think it is an AOW, as stated on their website.

But, the RyanM said:Federal law says it's a "handgun!"

I think we all figured it was his gun, and he might know what he is talking about.

[RyanM]

I should've posted pictures of that here instead of the shotgun forum to begin with! :D

Anyway, in order...

That is something else RyanM. How many permits (tax stamps) does it require, and what kind? Did you get it from a dealer or mfg. it yourself?

It's a plain old Super-Shorty, made by Serbu Firearms in FL. It's an AOW, so it requires a $5 transfer tax. Still $200 to register if you make one yourself, but an AOW doesn't require any paperwork to move across state lines, so there are still some benefits.

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On title II "smoothbore pistol" vs. title I regular pistol, I actually had a discussion with Mark Serbu on that many moons ago. He said that, by his interpretation of the law anyway, a shotgun shipped from the factory with PGO and fitted with a shortened rifled barrel would indeed be a standard title I pistol, with no tax stamps or anything necessary at all. Sort of like the infamous .600 NE T-C Contender, firearms over .50 cal chambered in a "sporting purpose" caliber, like 12 gauge or an elephant hunting caliber, are exempt from large-bore DD classification.

However, the Super-Shorty uses a fold-down vertical foregrip, making it an AOW twice. So you'd need to do a 12" barrel, or a custom made horizontal foregrip, to have a rifled shottie be a normal pistol.

Also, given that the ATF decided to classify "street sweeper" shotguns, the USAS-12, etc., as destructive devices, you'd want to have a notarized copy of an ATF technical whatever letter on hand before you try making something like that.

Anyway, I referred to it as a "handgun," with quotes, because both AOW classifications are handgun-based. It's a smoothbore pistol, and a pistol with more than one grip.

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I think he's got slugs pictured with it, so it's probably a slug gun. I don't know if I'd fire it though.

Recoil isn't that bad. With the factory grip, it felt about like shooting .454 Casull with a very uncomfortable wood grip, when using slugs. With the Pachmayr grip, it feels more like heavy bullet .44 magnum handloads through a gun with soft cushy rubber grips. Shooting Remington 125 gr .357 magnum SJHPs through a Ruger SP-101 hurt my hand a lot more!

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What's your thinking with those sights? I don't intend to sound like an about that choice, but I would have stuck with some iron night sights myself...

I'm always curious when people choose differently than I do, it keeps me learning.

Mostly, I was thinking "I could either attempt to drill a hole in the barrel, with nothing but a hand drill and c-clamps at my disposal, in order to fit a front sight, or I can take out these 4 little screws, attach a Picatinny rail, and slap on a Red Dot scope."

Normal sights would probably be much more practical, and a lot of times I have to play "find the dot" with the scope, but it was much easier to install, and about the same cost as a set of sights.

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I also just don't know what kind of increase in accuracy you can expect from the scope, hopefully RyanM will chime in and let us know more about this unique gun.

What kind of accuracy was I expecting? Very little! But what kind of accuracy did I get?

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=82818&stc=1&d=1218316562

7 yards. I shot the target with 3 birdshot shells, then just for fun loaded up 3 slugs. I just shot one from the hip, then used the red dot to aim for the bullet hole. 2 more holes appeared about a foot away from the first, and I went "well, I wasn't expecting anything great, but this sucks!" Then I took a closer look. None of the other new holes had lead "rings" around them, so they must've just been the wadding, and the center hole is irregularly shaped, like all 3 went through there.

It wasn't a fluke. I've done similar, 1-2" groups at 7-10 yards with it since then, which is about what I normally shoot with handguns. But 3 through one hole at 7 yards is what the gun and scope are capable of.

Anyone who says short barrels are inherently inaccurate is talking out of their butt.

[Okiecruffler]

Pic #4 is The Log. Custom OTT 6tcu barrel. 16.25" long, 1.5" in diameter, 9 pounds on the hoof. Topped with a Tasco 6-24X scope, it doesn't really qualify as a pistol, not sure what I would call it. But from the bench it's been known to give groups like this at 100 yrds...
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/okiecruffler/6tcugroup.jpg

[Acera]

Thanks RyanM, I did not know about the Surbu shorty until this thread. That is why I asked if you made it yourself. For me, I think I will let the trust purchase one in the near future from my class III dealer here in Houston. It defiantly looks like a handful to shoot, and would be a conversation piece with the hunting buddies.

I appreciate the information.

[21H40]

Thanks RyanM for the response...

I can definitely understand "cost effectiveness" as a key factor in tactical decisions... :rolleyes:

I mounted my EOTech on my old ruger 10/22 because the iron sights were too far gone, and I happened to have an EOTech without an M16. I bought the EOTech for my trip to the sandbox, and I just didn't have anything better to do with it when I came home.

[Stevie-Ray]

T/C Contender, .30-30, Leupold 4X

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/GitchiManitou/100_0461.jpg?t=1219633082

[TIMC]

PLR-16 .223
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v369/timc/PLR-16complete.jpg?t=1219637463

S&W 629 .44 mag
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v369/timc/629pic2.jpg?t=1219637544

[AMBASSADOR]

These are the the two handguns I swap between Red Dot and scope.83705

83706

[AMBASSADOR]

This it the other,made a mistake adding pics.

[tuckerdog1]

These have been posted in the past. But happy to do it again;)

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=59888&d=1182809197

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=80247&d=1214075530

Tuckerdog1