Armscor Guns


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GunLvrNLearner
August 23, 2008, 08:28 PM
I recently saw Armscor brand guns and they were very inexpensive.

A new 1911 just a tad over 400,i guess prolly the cheapest new 1911 possible.


Are Armscor guns crap?decent?average?

Does Armscor make guns?Or more like EAA just imports them?

Thanks

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hags
August 23, 2008, 09:20 PM
Armscor enjoys a solid reputation with their Rock Island Armory line of 1911s. From what I've seen they're very nicely built and have alot of "custom type" parts.
I was going to order one for myself for ****s and giggles.

bp78
August 23, 2008, 09:31 PM
I believe Armscor is the actual manufacturer, based in the Philippines. They are closely allied or the same as Rock Island who also make budget .45 ACP 1911s. Armscor also produces the budget frame and slide used in STI's Spartan model. They have a USA support center in Nevada and one of their reps is very active on several boards, goes by the screenname 'blackdragon'.

Quality is generally better than you would expect for the sub-$500 price tag, with that said, don't expect Kimber, Springfield, or STI fit & finish. I owned one of their now discontinued double stack 1911s, a 9mm Para P18 clone. After about 2500 rounds it got very unreliable and was eventually returned for good to their customer support center in Nevada. It was unique, with it's own external extractor and other wierdness.

If I were to buy another, I'd be much more comfortable buying one of their standard .45acp 1911s which used standard parts. Their 1911 single stacks also seem to run a hair wider than other 1911 frames.

hags
August 23, 2008, 10:39 PM
I believe Armscor is the actual manufacturer, based in the Philippines. They are closely allied or the same as Rock Island who also make budget .45 ACP 1911s.

Yes, that is what I meant when I posted:

Armscor enjoys a solid reputation with their Rock Island Armory line of 1911s.

Armscor builds the Rock Island Armory 1911s. Armscor, until recently built the Charles Daly 1911s. They do make 1911s for a number of other brands, whose names at the moment escape me.

If you get one of their 1911 clones then you're good to go.

rondog
August 23, 2008, 10:47 PM
Armscor is the manufacturer, in the Philippines. They make Armscor, Rock Island Armory, and High Standard 1911's, frames for STI, and until recently, Charles Daly 1911's.

They're fine pistols, I have three Rocks, and there's a huge and growing loyal following for them. They're having trouble keeping up with the demand. Small wonder, nearly the entire line is under $400, except for their Longslide Match. They offer a 5" GI, a 5" Tactical, a 3.5" GI (Officer), a 3.5" Tactical, a 4" GI Midsize (Commander), and a couple of 5" GI's in .38 Super. And folks are clamoring for them to come out with 9mm in all sizes.

The Armscor brand isn't imported into the US anymore, but grab it if you find one for sale. The customer service people at Advanced Tactical in Pahrump, Nevada are second to none in taking care of their products.

Lots of info here about all things Armscor/Rock Island.... http://forum.m1911.org/forumdisplay.php?f=17

hags
August 23, 2008, 10:50 PM
Armscor is the manufacturer, in the Philippines.

Again, yes, thanks, that's what I said.

rondog
August 23, 2008, 10:53 PM
Again, yes, thanks that what I said.

:scrutiny:

bp78
August 23, 2008, 10:54 PM
hags,
I believe the rest of us were just responding to the original poster, not contradicting your reply. Although redundant, several forum posts that say the same thing help to establish some consensus or credence. (Helpful since these forums are essentially anonymous and although you may be knowledgeable, your 'hags' userid and signature line really don't distinguish your response anymore than advice from some 14 year old mall-ninja-extraordinaire)

hags
August 23, 2008, 10:56 PM
hags,
I believe the rest of us were just responding to the original poster, not contradicting your reply. Although redundant, several forum posts that say the same thing help to establish some consensus or credence.

yeah, I'm just in a pissy mood. :evil:

Sagetown
August 23, 2008, 11:00 PM
Saw a new RIA Tactical at the Gun Show this morning. Price Tag $400.

ARMSCOR and Rock Island Armory is a family business. The son owns RIA.

bluetopper
August 23, 2008, 11:01 PM
Kind of like the old saying, "You get what you pay for".

And that comment is not meant to be derogitory at all.

hags
August 23, 2008, 11:55 PM
Saw a new RIA Tactical at the Gun Show this morning.

That's the model to get. I have handled and shot one, they are really nice.
I couldn't think of the name offhand.

burningsquirrels
August 24, 2008, 12:16 AM
just came from an armscor facility last week. they make good basic 1911s and supply STI with some frames. sarcoinc in NJ sells them for 330 in the lowest model.

rondog
August 24, 2008, 03:06 AM
Kind of like the old saying, "You get what you pay for".

JMHO - but in this case, you get MORE than what you pay for.

loop
August 24, 2008, 06:50 AM
Get the hint, Hags.

loop
August 24, 2008, 06:51 AM
I apologize to all for letting my, um, irritable nature get in front of my more, um, amiable self.

Sorry.

calaverasslim
August 24, 2008, 09:24 AM
I own a Armscor compact 1911 45acp. Brand name is High Standard. I have always felt that the lower priced models were something to stay away from but after reading several boards concerning this brand, I decided to give it a shot, so to speak.:D

I ordered my compact and received it almost 2 weeks ago. I have fired almost 500 rounds since then. I am retired, reload and live where I can step outside the back door and let go.

I have had 3 FTF's (failure to feed) and they were 230gr RN that I reloaded almost 20 years ago. I found them in a box in the storage room and decided to get rid of them. Out of 150, only 3 were bad.

I have fired recent reloads, factory loads, hot loads, light loads, pretty loads, ugly loads and this pistol have been operating flawlessly.

Will I get 10K rounds out of it? Who knows but in the meantime it is a dream to shoot.

cjw3cma
August 24, 2008, 04:14 PM
Over at CenterFire they have the RIA Tactical Commander for $420 which is by far the best price for this gun with all the bells. If only I didn't have so many.........

GZOh
August 24, 2008, 04:50 PM
What is the relatiionship between ARSCOR and Tanfoglio...

Have seen several 9mm's (MAP1MS, FS) selling in the $350 range, that are supposedly 'manufactured' by Tanfoglio... for ARMSCOR?

Anyone familiar with these guns and the relationship... and their quality?
Thanks

burningsquirrels
August 24, 2008, 04:55 PM
armscor is a philippine firearms and ammunition manufacturer. tanfoglio is an italian firearms manufacturer. they both knock-off other manufacturer's firearm designs. for example, they both have their own versions of the CZ-75. Armscor makes the MAP1 which is imported under the RIA name, and Tanfoglio pistols are imported by EAA.

a filipino friend of mine who i shoot with made me drop my jaw yesterday btw... he took my beat up 40b... and with an NRA 50 foot bullseye target (6" diameter) he made a 1 inch group! i crapped my pants! of course, this really means the charlies, deltas, and mikes are all MY fault! dangit! :D

GZOh
August 24, 2008, 04:58 PM
Now that's the one YOU were supposed to bring SAMPLES back of!!!...
Still waitin... You know where to send 'em bs...

wally
August 24, 2008, 05:32 PM
Quality is generally better than you would expect for the sub-$500 price tag, with that said, don't expect Kimber, Springfield, or

Don't be so dismissive, I've had several people shoot my Kimber TLE and RIA Tactical side-by-side and none would agree the Kimber was ~2X better to match the price differential.

A fellow at our club was shooting a new Springfield Loaded stainless and having issues, we did a gun swap to see if it was a shooter induced problem (turned out to be his gunshow relaods) and when he handed my Tactical back he asked "is that one of them high dollar guns?"

My oldest RIA is well over 13000 rounds so they hold up well too.

--wally.

burningsquirrels
August 24, 2008, 06:10 PM
i wish i could've brought them back! lol! they were priced just below 300 for hte basic model, but appropriately charged higher for custom ones..... a n d the custom ones were... whoa! :D

Dr.Mall Ninja
August 24, 2008, 06:36 PM
my rock island shoots awesome

hags
August 24, 2008, 08:38 PM
Get the hint, Hags.

you posted this really late so I'm wondering what you're refering to.

Everyone else including myself have seemed to have moved on and were talking about RIA pistols.

and it's hags, no need to capitolize anything.

brolin_1911a1
August 24, 2008, 11:53 PM
I purchased an RIA 1911 Compact CS, the 3-inch Officers-size pistol with the beavertail safety, a bit over a month ago. Out of the first 14 rounds I had several FTF or FRTB. I called RIA and spoke to their sales rep, Ray Witham. He immediately, no questions asked, sent me a new recoil spring and guide assembly. With the replacement spring, the gun has a bit over 250 rounds of mixed bullet and power loads without a hitch. The gun is amazingly accurate shooting nice ragged one-hole groups off-hand at 7yds. Between the accuracy, pointability, and fine customer support from RIA I don't think you could find a better value for the $$$.

Gator
August 25, 2008, 01:21 AM
My gunsmith, who does a lot of very nice 1911s, won't work on them because of the soft steel they use. Has Armscor corrected this?

Beagle-zebub
August 25, 2008, 04:50 AM
My gunsmith, who does a lot of very nice 1911s, won't work on them because of the soft steel they use. Has Armscor corrected this?

This isn't my baeliwick, but he might mean that Armscor doesn't use 5100-type steel, but rather merely 4100-type. (4190?) Chinese 1911s used the former, and thus were popular for building custom guns--perhaps this is true across the board for 1911s. Again, not my bread and butter.

loop
August 25, 2008, 05:26 AM
Armscor is an importer. Most of its guns are from the Philippines. The MAP1 is a Tanfoglio, imported from Italy. EAA also imports Tanfoglios, but only brings in guns made with the large frame. Armscor brings in 9s and 40s in the small frame (which averts contract issues with EAA).

The Filipino 1911s are well made and tight. The metal is lacking so they won't hold up to long-term heavy shooting. They are not a good format for customizing. Specs start out well but deteriorate.

If you shoot fewer than 500 rounds a year an Armscor will give you good service the rest of your life.

If you shoot 500 rounds a month you need to look elsewhere.

JMHO

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