White Tail Rifle


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Tower06
August 24, 2008, 10:22 AM
I am looking to get into muzzle loading white tail this winter, basically to lengthen my season, and I wanted to know what everyone thought about a rifle for someone new to muzzleloading. I want something that I won't get tired of and want to replace after a year. Basically, I want a gun that has a good amount of features, performs well, and won't set me back too much financially. I have looked at the Knight rolling block .50 cal, as well as the Traditions Pursuit XLT break open. I've also seen the Thompson/Center Omega, which seems nice,just not sure I want go as high as $500 for a gun right now. I don't know enough about them, nor have I fired them to know what would serve me better in the field. Any input would be appreciated by a newb to the sport. Thanks.

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arcticap
August 24, 2008, 11:52 AM
There's been a few reports of minor function and trigger related problems with the Knight KRB. Knight does have a new Shadow break open, and the Traditions Pursuit has been around for a long time and functions well.
The Remington Genesis drop block action is on sale at Cabela's with a $35 rebate for a final cost of $99. They shoot good and lots of folks like them, especially for the price.
Once a scope and all of the necessary accessories are purchased, it makes sense to buy a lower end muzzle loader because the extras can nearly double the final cost.
Especially if a person isn't sure about how much they are going to like the loading and cleaning rituals of an inline muzzle loader and the higher cost of shooting saboted bullets and substitute powders, then I'd suggest buying one of the lower priced models since they are capable of shooting just as good as anything else or nearly so, especially the longer barreled models.
It's not necessary to spend a lot of money to have fun shooting an inline muzzle loader. :)

K.A.T.
August 24, 2008, 12:49 PM
I would buy the break-open model and not one of the bolt action types. The break-open is easier to clean. I had a remington bolt action type and loved it, but it was a pain to clean. You had a little pick to remove the primer from the nipple, another pain.

My search was on just like yours, I bought one that felt right in my hands. I wanted the TC encore, all the pros on TV use it. I just could not make myself like it, it just didn't fit right for me. I picked thru them all, picked up a Traditions Prusuit Pro, felt right on. I was a little concerned about quality, the barrel is made in spain, it wasn't the higher priced rifle. Took it home, glad I did, great accuracy, no problems. I dropped it 40ft. out of a tree, didn't even phase it.

I think all the manf. have the rifles working good now. Buy the one that fits you.

txcookie
August 24, 2008, 01:17 PM
Look at the CVA wolf! Felt good to me and its on my list!

Tower06
August 24, 2008, 07:57 PM
I haven't really looked at the Remington. Anyone have any experience with it? $99 is a steal. I like the idea of picking my own accessories rather that having what they give you.

arcticap
August 24, 2008, 09:16 PM
There's a video and lot of reviews on the Cabela's site. Here's the first:

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/standard-item.jsp?_DARGS=/cabelas/en/common/catalog/item-link.jsp_A&_DAV=MainCatcat20712-cat20815&id=0040407216196a&navCount=2&podId=0040407&parentId=cat20815&masterpathid=&navAction=push&catalogCode=8IS&rid=&parentType=index&indexId=cat20815

Each of the individual Remington models has even more reviews, so click around on all of them and read them all so you can see the praises and criticisms:

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/pod/horizontal-pod.jsp?_DARGS=/cabelas/en/common/catalog/pod-link.jsp_A&_DAV=MainCatcat20712-cat20815&rid=&indexId=cat20815&navAction=push&masterpathid=&navCount=1&parentType=index&parentId=cat20815&id=0040407


I shouldered one at the store and it fit me well, but that's just me.

Expiring tomorrow Monday 8/25, order $150 minimum and receive flat rate shipping for $2.95.

If you visit the Remington site there's another video to see how it works, and also a Genesis brochure that can be downloaded at the bottom of the page.

http://www.remington.com/Genesis/

Tower06
August 24, 2008, 09:25 PM
I checked the reviews out...it seems like a good choice. I have to go see how they fit at Dicks, but from what I have read thus far, it seems like the way to go, bothe for functionality and price.

glockgod
August 24, 2008, 09:34 PM
You might want to look at the T/C Black Diamond. Striker fired-.50 caliber-150gr compatible(100gr Pyrodex/240gr .44 XTP has given me the best results) and accurate as all get out. Brand new with starter kit for under $300.

bejay
August 25, 2008, 01:55 AM
you probably cant go wrong with most of the inlines mentioned as they all probably perform well.
would suggest that you buy powder versus the pellets as its more accurate in my experience, and once you premeasure it and place in a speed loader it will load just as fast incase you ever needed a second shot.

Tower06
August 25, 2008, 02:23 AM
Does anyone know if Remington has resolved the issue with the breech plug getting stuck after shooting?

glockgod
August 25, 2008, 07:32 AM
A little never-sieze on the breach plug threads is always a good idea. Wait, a little never-sieze on the breach plug threads is MANDATORY!!!

Tower06
August 25, 2008, 09:37 AM
How about the promer getting stuck?

arcticap
August 25, 2008, 09:59 AM
You mean the remains off the primer after firing?
I've heard of a primer removal tool for 209 primers, CVA offers one with one of their models.
Then there are different brands of 209 primers to try each with slightly different spec.'s and characteristics.
Some folks use standard shotgun shell 209's that aren't intended for muzzle loading and are for reloading, but they work.
With some guns the primers will fit too loosely and with others, too tight.

Tower06
August 25, 2008, 10:06 AM
Yes...I have heard the primers get stuck after firing.

scrat
August 25, 2008, 11:54 AM
A little never-sieze on the breach plug threads is always a good idea. Wait, a little never-sieze on the breach plug threads is MANDATORY!!!

A little heck i coat the whole breech. I now switched antisieze to the type i use on my cars. Mad by permatex. The kind that comes out gray. The stuff i had been using before was the stuff that came with my rifle. Its almost like vasoline.

How about the primer getting stuck?

One of the things that is often overlooked when cleaning your breech plug. One of the things i now do first is make sure the primer pocket is cleaned then i apply a small amount of lubricant around my first primer. I have found this helps on getting them out at least for the next 10 rounds.

RoaringBull
August 25, 2008, 12:44 PM
I shoot a CVA caplock in .54 that I am positive will ethically killa deer with one shot

Mr_Pale_Horse
August 25, 2008, 02:32 PM
I like the Knight Wolverine Value Pack for barebones value (check that, currently only the Bighorn is available in non-Youth form). Used an LK93 model for several seasons before retiring it, then selling it.

Hearing alot of good reports on the Lyman Mustang break open action also.

arcticap
August 26, 2008, 06:29 AM
Field & Stream's Best New Black Powder Rifles of 2008:

http://www.fieldandstream.com/article/Gear/Best-of-the-Best-Awards-The-Best-New-Blackpowder-Rifles-of-2008

frontiergander
August 26, 2008, 12:17 PM
Finger tighten the breech plug, You dont need to wrench down it on.

Mike128
August 26, 2008, 10:36 PM
I prefer the break open or falling block style over the bolt style. You move the balance back under the hands without sacrificing barrel length. Also it's much easier to clean.

If you like the Encore than check out the Omega. Same barrel as the Encore but a falling block action and cheaper.

Tower06
August 30, 2008, 11:05 AM
Thanks Mike...will check them out.

scrat
August 30, 2008, 11:13 AM
i agree with mike. The best break actions hands down is still NEF. they have been making break down guns longer than anyone and have mastered it pretty good

Tom Krein
August 30, 2008, 06:40 PM
Take a look at a TC Hawken. Its supposed to be a primitive season...

I really like taking a step back. I LOVE the lines and history of the American Longrifles. Its a bit more challenging but they WILL get the job done.

Not trying to start a flame war here just giving a different perspective. If you decide inline is for you, no worries here. The traditional style rifles WILL get the job done though.:D

Tom

Tower06
September 11, 2008, 12:14 AM
I have a long rifle that I built from a kit, but seeing as it is flint lock, I want something that will perform better in the field> i dont want to have to worry about powder in the pan getting wet and the rifle not firing when I need it to.

I've actually been looking the last few weeks, and I think I have settled in on the TC Omega. It's a little pricier than I was wanting to spend right now, but when I went to Dick's and tried to all the rifles to see how the felt, the Omega felt the best. It settled in just right when I raised it to my shoulder. The Pursuit XLT feld a little awkward. I think is was the length of pull on the stock. The thumbhole is similar to the Omega, but hands down the Omega felt a lot better when I tried it out.

mykeal
September 11, 2008, 07:50 AM
For $6 you can get a leather pan cover at October Country to keep the powder dry. A lot less money than an Omega.

Tower06
September 11, 2008, 10:13 AM
Good point mykeal...how will that thing look with a Nikon scope on it though?

mykeal
September 11, 2008, 02:24 PM
Ugly.

But I understood the reason for a new rifle was a desire to hunt in inclement weather, not to have a new scoped inline rifle.

Needs must.

Tower06
September 11, 2008, 03:04 PM
It is...but just wondering about getting a scope mounted on a Pedersoli Frontier rifle.

matrem
September 11, 2008, 08:34 PM
TC Triumph...about $400 for the "basic"model..Easiest to clean ML I've had to clean.

frontiergander
September 11, 2008, 09:39 PM
CVA Optima/Optima Pro

Just got one about 4 days ago and LOVE IT! It replaced my tc omega.

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm53/thepowerbeltforum/Picture525.jpg

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