[Fire-4-Effect]

See this story:

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/08/24/man-arrested-with-weapons-at-pelosis-denver-hotel/

Not a lot of data but I wonder if they are nailing him to the wall simply because the dems are in town...

who knows!

PR

[RobNDenver]

They are not nailing him to the wall because there were Democrats present, they are nailing him to the wall, because he entered a hotel full of politicians and police, carrying guns. The same thing would happen if he did that in St. Paul when the RNC is meeting there.

We are doing our best to get the anti AWB plank removed from the Democratic Platform, and now some dumb sh(&(& forgets himself and tries this? I don't care if he may legally possess these guns, it is inordinately stupid to been this situationally unaware. Mr. Calanchini may not be able to afford to go hunting after he pays for his defense to these charges. As an academy instructor once told me. . . Criminals can often beat the rap, but they won't beat the ride. . . In today's security at any cost to freedom world, this guy is going to pay for his lack of awareness.

And the cops evacuated Speaker of the House Pelosi while they took this box full of rocks into custody? They really ought to get over themselves.

http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_10292177

[Cosmoline]

So it's illegal to carry a cased and unloaded firearm in Denver?

I don't care if he may legally possess these guns, it is inordinately stupid to been this situationally unaware.

?? So if it's legal, what exactly is the problem? It's either illegal or it isn't.

[ants]

We don't have enough information to draw a conclusion.

I want to believe that he was an innocent man, travelling to Denver to pick up his guns from a gunsmith. And he carried them safely locked in a hard case, just like you and me.

But I can't draw that conclusion until we have more facts.

We can neither defend nor condemn the man without facts

[Telperion]

We are doing our best to get the anti AWB plank removed from the Democratic Platform, and now some dumb sh(&(& forgets himself and tries this? I don't care if he may legally possess these guns, it is inordinately stupid to been this situationally unaware. Mr. Calanchini may not be able to afford to go hunting after he pays for his defense to these charges.


Forgot himself? Situationally unaware? ***? If it's legal to carry cased rifles around, then it's legal.

If that's all there is to this, then I hope Mr. Calanchini gets to afford many hunting trips, courtesy of you and the other taxpayers of Denver.

[SCKimberFan]

Did they have a sign posting "no guns - too many politicians around"? He's in town on business - may not have been aware who was staying at that hotel. God forbid someone should exercise his God-given rights protected by the 2A!

[El Tejon]

Mr. Calanchini may not be able to afford to go hunting after he pays for his defense to these charges.

And what charges would those be, Officer?:confused:

Perhaps you can cite the Colorado statute that he is alleged to have violated?

[scrat]

Talk about being in the wrong place at the wrong time. If its all ok i hope the guy gets out of this ok.

[3KillerBs]

Is it legal or illegal to carry a cased gun into a hotel in Denver?

If it is legal, but subject to restrictions, were those guns being transported in a legal manner -- obeying any appropriate rules about type of case and lock required?

If the answer to both of these questions is "yes", then I don't think its the gun owner who is going to be in trouble over the long run.

[gbran]

If no law was broken, what penal code section was cited for the arrest? Can the LEO's actually arrest you for something that wasn't illegal? Surely the DA won't further this fiasco and as a last defense, what judge would take the case?

This makes my blood boil.

[armedandsafe]

The man, Joseph Calanchini, 29, of Pinedale, Wyo., faces a charge of unlawful carrying of a weapon.

"Unlawful carrying of a weapon." I really want to see the statute on that one.

Pops

[Leanwolf]

There is very little real information about this incident. But.............

I don't know the firearms laws of Colo., nor of Denver. Given that I also don't know the Colo. F&G hunting regs, is it possible that there is a hunting season using firearms now open in Colo., and the guy was either going to a hunting area, or coming from one, and was staying overnight in the Denver hotel????

If so, why would he leave his firearms in his vehicle so the average parking lot bandit could steal his firearms?

I've traveled in many States for hunting purposes, and have NEVER left a firearm(s) in my vehicle when staying overnight in either a motel or hotel.

It would seem to me to be the ultimate stupidity to leave your guns in the vehicle while overnighting in motels/hotels.

Perhaps the guy did not know that the Great Queen, Her Royal Highness Nancy Pelosi and her court had comandeered the hotel. (??)

Again, not much information on this incident.

L.W.

[armoredman]

When politicians are in town, the WHOLE Constitution gets thrown out, not just parts.

[gbran]

I read another article on this. Apparently he had brought the rifle to a gunsmith for scoping and other work for the upcoming season.

[RobNDenver]

You missed what I said. He may never be convicted of anything, but he sure as heck is going to pay to defend himself. Denver is a home rule city and has its own laws on Carrying Weapons. It is the only city in the state with an Assault Weapons Ban and an ordinance that you cannot possess a "Saturday Night Special". . . A District Court in Denver (of course) has ruled that they don't conflict with the Colorado Revised Statutes. . . .

My point is that in today's world traveler's are all terror suspects, and law abiding gun owners are no different to these "security personnel" than assassins. I would be much more concerned with the comment from the Secret Service spokesman who said that this guy was arrested for "Unlawfully Carrying a Weapon".

You seem to think that I agreed with this arrest. . . That is not the case but it doesn't really matter in the end. The cops will pat themselves on the back for interdicting this dangerous threat, the Speaker and everyone she talks to will nod vigorously about dangerous guns, some with telescopic sights, and the media will play this story into whatever they want. All because Mr. Brighteyes thought that it would be OK to haul his legally owned firearms into the lobby of a Convention hotel.

[gbran]

Right now, I'd guess that the majority of Denver hotels/motels are filled with convention goers. Do we ban legal carrying of weapons citywide until they leave?

[Drgong]

The only one that might be referenced.

18-12-105. Unlawfully carrying a concealed weapon - unlawful possession of weapons.

(1) A person commits a class 2 misdemeanor if such person knowingly and unlawfully:

(a) Carries a knife concealed on or about his or her person; or

(b) Carries a firearm concealed on or about his or her person; or

(c) Without legal authority, carries, brings, or has in such person's possession a firearm or any explosive, incendiary, or other dangerous device on the property of or within any building in which the chambers, galleries, or offices of the general assembly, or either house thereof, are located, or in which a legislative hearing or meeting is being or is to be conducted, or in which the official office of any member, officer, or employee of the general assembly is located.

(d) (Deleted 1993.)

(2) It shall not be an offense if the defendant was:

(a) A person in his or her own dwelling or place of business or on property owned or under his or her control at the time of the act of carrying; or

(b) A person in a private automobile or other private means of conveyance who carries a weapon for lawful protection of such person's or another's person or property while traveling; or

(c) A person who, at the time of carrying a concealed weapon, held a valid written permit to carry a concealed weapon issued pursuant to section 18-12-105.1, as it existed prior to its repeal, or, if the weapon involved was a handgun, held a valid permit to carry a concealed handgun or a temporary emergency permit issued pursuant to part 2 of this article; except that it shall be an offense under this section if the person was carrying a concealed handgun in violation of the provisions of section 18-12-214; or

(d) A peace officer, as described in section 16-2.5-101, C.R.S., when carrying a weapon in conformance with the policy of the employing agency as provided in section 16-2.5-101 (2), C.R.S.; or

(e) (Deleted 2003.)

(f) A United States probation officer or a United States pretrial services officer while on duty and serving in the state of Colorado under the authority of rules and regulations promulgated by the judicial conference of the United States.

[FourTeeFive]

Most likely it will be hard to find out how all this pans out. If he was "arrested" and it turns out was technically not doing anything illegal, I really doubt we'll hear about it from the press.

[scottgun]

Denver is in a state or military occupation right now. Any citizen caught doing anything that might comprise the security of the DNC convention will be arrested and/or removed, whether it's legal or not.

[csmkersh]

While the man has broken no state laws and while Colorado is supposed to be a preemptive state, an idiot judge several years back ruled Denver can make it up as they go WRT firearms.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/politics/5963473.html

[SCKimberFan]

Most likely it will be hard to find out how all this pans out. If he was "arrested" and it turns out was technically not doing anything illegal, I really doubt we'll hear about it from the press.

Haven't seen a thing on the main news channels - not even Drudge!

[wally]

I once got stopped on the freeway ramp with a car load of guns and ammo on my way to the range for one of Pres. George H. W. Bush's motorcade rolling blockaid.

Couldn't help but think, boy this sure would ruin my day if one of the SS black SUV guys looked inside my car.

--wally.

[FourTeeFive]

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CONVENTION_SECURITY

August 20, 2008
Secret Service's job: secure political conventions
By EILEEN SULLIVAN
Associated Press Writer

Every day the Secret Service thinks: Today could be THE day.

That's the sober mind-set going into the presidential conventions — both of which present special security challenges for this legendary agency in the throes of the longest political campaign in history.

This will be the second set of conventions since the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks. But, perhaps surprisingly to outsiders, al-Qaida is not the leading concern.

Not that the terrorism potential is being overlooked. But the Secret Service and FBI are giving special attention to the possibility of action by other extremists — radicals from the left or right, anarchists, lone wolf crazies — who might be attracted to the conventions because of the significance and high visibility.

This year, the significance of Obama's race is not lost on anyone either.

There has been only low-level chatter on white supremacist blogs and nothing aimed at the convention, according to Mark Potok, who regularly monitors these blogs for the Southern Poverty Law Center in Montgomery, Ala. And the Secret Service and FBI say they do not have any specific threats with racist overtones.

Still, says Potok, "I think that officials have every right to be worried."

In advance of the conventions, November's election and the new president's inauguration, the FBI set up a special cell that brings together officials from other federal agencies to look at all potential threats, said Ed Dickson, FBI's acting deputy assistant director for counterterrorism.

Going into the conventions, Dickson said the bureau is looking at intelligence about anarchist groups to prevent violent disruptions and attacks. He would not name the groups.

Dickson would not comment on potential disruptions from radical Islamic groups, but said, "We're always concerned about al-Qaida and like-minded groups."

According to an April federal intelligence assessment, hardened structures, like the convention stadiums, are unlikely targets for al-Qaida. The assessment said security officers and barriers are a deterrent as far as al-Qaida is concerned.

The Secret Service budgeted more than $15 million for both conventions, but it will cost a couple of million more because of Democratic candidate Barack Obama's decision to accept his party's nomination at an open-air stadium in Denver. Each convention city was also given $50 million from the federal government for security efforts.

Security at the Denver and St. Paul, Minn., sites ranges from routine magnetometers — the kind you would find at airports — to countersnipers, undercover officers and air patrols. The Secret Service also has assigned trained officials to identify and prevent cyber security risks. And the service, as it does at every convention, has mapped out escape routes for the candidates and president.

"As you look at these type of events, they are a very attractive target," Secret Service Director Mark Sullivan said.

Many of the agency's roughly 4,400 agents and officers will be working the conventions. There will be help, too, from thousands of other federal, state and local officials — including police, airport screeners, nuclear weapons experts and intelligence analysts.

Tens of thousands of delegates, reporters, protesters and other interested folks will flock to Denver Aug. 25-28 and St. Paul Sept. 1-4. These conventions are attractive platforms for terrorists and other groups that want to cause disruptions.

The timing poses a unique challenge for the Secret Service as well. Coming off protection details in China where U.S. dignitaries traveled for the Olympics, the agents and officers go straight to Denver.

"It's a tremendous pull of resources," said Nick Trotta, assistant director of the Secret Service's Protective Division.

It costs the Secret Service about $45,000 a day to protect each candidate. The agency has already asked for more money to cover unexpected costs — an extra $9.5 million on top of the $85.25 million that was budgeted for the 2008 campaign. Obama received Secret Service protection almost a year earlier than officials expected and has had a detail since May 2007. And as soon as each candidate announces his vice presidential pick, new protective details are deployed for the second-in-command hopefuls.

"We just always have to assume that there's someone out there, you know, looking to come after us, looking to come after the people we protect," Sullivan said. "Today could be the day, and you need to be ready."

___

Associated Press Writers P. Solomon Banda and Amy Forliti contributed to this report from Denver and Minneapolis.

[bcp]

A little more:
http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=98258&catid=188




KUSA - A Wyoming hunter who accidentally caused a security concern at the Grand Hyatt hotel Saturday says he's sorry for the problems he caused and didn't know the Democratic National Convention was in town.
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When Joseph Calanchini walked into the Grand Hyatt hotel with 2 rifles and 2 pistols Saturday around 4:00 pm, Denver Police evacuated House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) from the hotel until they arrested Calanchini and made sure it was safe for Pelosi to return.

"I didn't even know the DNC was in town. I don't watch the news," said Joseph Calanchini from the Denver City Jail where he's being held on bond. "If I had known, I would have done things differently. It was a simple mistake."

Calanchini, who talked to 9Wants to Know from the Denver City Jail, says he had the weapons because he's getting ready to go on a hunting safari trip in Limpopo Basin, South Africa on August 28. He planned to hunt warthog, impala, baboon and jackals with a friend there.

He says he had just picked up his rifles from the Sportsman's Warehouse and had them in a locked gun case when he checked in at the Grand Hyatt. The clerk checking him in noticed the rifle case and called security.

"I'm amazed. It's not like they were illegal weapons, they were all registered to me," said Calanchini. "It was bad timing."

Police say Calanchini had permits for the rifles, but did not have concealed permits to carry two pistols that were found in his luggage. Calanchini says he forgot they were in there.

He was charged with unlawfully carry weapons, a misdemeanor. Calanchini is being held on $10,000 bond at the Denver City Jail.

"I didn't mean to cause any problems," said Calanchini. "I'm sorry, it was not intentional."

Calanchini, who is registered as an independent, says he doesn't know who he's going to vote for yet.

"Would this affect my choice as a candidate? No. There's more important issues than this," said Calanchini.

The 29-year-old man from Pinedale, Wyoming, has never been arrested before. He says he's hunted for several years in places like Canada, California and Wyoming. He planned the safari to South Africa with a friend in June.

He says the U.S. Secret Service interviewed him for an hour and a half on Saturday to make sure he's not a threat.

"They know I'm not trying to do anything," he said.

Calanchini, who sells drilling tools across Colorado and Wyoming, said he is a frequent guest at the Grand Hyatt.

But the Grand Hyatt General Manager said he was not a registered guest at the hotel.

"We don't know why he was walking through our hotel," said General Manager Ed Bucholtz.

After police searched and towed Calanchini's car, they allowed House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) back into the hotel.

"The speaker was never in any danger. And she appreciates the quick and professional response of the police," said Brendon Daly, Pelosi spokesman.

[FourTeeFive]

Police say Calanchini had permits for the rifles, but did not have concealed permits to carry two pistols that were found in his luggage. Calanchini says he forgot they were in there.

You need a concealed weapons permit to carry pistols in your luggage? Are they rewriting the laws as they go along?

[RobNDenver]

The police in Denver will be revising the Colorado Revised Statutes for the next week. And it ain't going to be in our favor. Note the GM of the Hyatt's comment - "He is not registered in our hotel". They have already started to justify their conduct/influence the media. I promise that neither the FOPA, or the Bill of Rights. is going to help this guy just now.

[Cosmoline]

My point is that in today's world traveler's are all terror suspects, and law abiding gun owners are no different to these "security personnel" than assassins. I would be much more concerned with the comment from the Secret Service spokesman who said that this guy was arrested for "Unlawfully Carrying a Weapon".

What law was broken? If no law was broken, there can be no lawful arrest and the man should be free after his first mandatory hearing in front of a magistrate.

You are advocating a level of paranoia that only encourages this kind of nonsense. It is beholden on gun owners to follow the law. That is difficult enough, without having to figure out whether one of the Nobility is staying at our hotel.

Also, what exactly should this man have done? Assume he was staying in Denver en route to some Rocky Mountain hunt. What should he have done with his arms? Leave them on the curb? If he is breaking no law, then the authorities who arrested him have done so illegally.

[cassandrasdaddy]

i think when he brought em in the hotel he entered a grey area of law. hope he wins on this

[Double Naught Spy]

We are doing our best to get the anti AWB plank removed from the Democratic Platform

What "We" are you referring to in this statement and are you part of the process?

[FourTeeFive]

The clerk checking him in noticed the rifle case and called security.

But the Grand Hyatt General Manager says he was not a registered guest at the hotel.

"We don't know why he was walking through our hotel," said General Manager Ed Bucholtz.

These guys really need to get their stories straight before they talk to the press. How can a clerk be "checking him in" if he wasn't a registered guest?

[cassandrasdaddy]

hotel managers are real small time politicians

[Fire-4-Effect]

Well, I posted this here because it smelled a bit fishy to me when I read the story. Now we have a bit more data and it sounds like the guy was in the wrong place at the wrong time and at the very minimum may miss out on what sounds like an expensive hunting trip he has paid for. guns in his bags? concealed carry permit? How do people in Denver carry their pistols to the range?

I look back at how they were grabbing firearms from citizens who legally owned them during Katrina and I firmly believe the country is in trouble. The politicians and LE's get a bit nervous about something and they over react and throw our rights out the window!

If there ever was a real crisis in the US I believe we would all lose many of our rights and possible chaos would insue. I know that sounds extreme but it is scary to think how delicate our freedoms have become.

They way I see it is that we all have a constitutional right to keep and bear arms to prevent the loss of the freedoms our forefathers gave this great country. So, buy more guns! :)

PR

[IAJack]

These are the same guys who advocated in their plank that Chicago style bans are working and that need for gun ownership works differently in differnt parts of the country. -or something like that.

[DaveBeal]

Police say Calanchini had permits for the rifles, but did not have concealed permits to carry two pistols that were found in his luggage.

Colorado law (CRS 18-12-105):

(1) A person commits a class 2 misdemeanor if such person knowingly and unlawfully:
...
(b) Carries a firearm concealed on or about his or her person;
...
The words "about the person" means sufficiently close to the person to be readily accessible for immediate use.


Guns in luggage clearly aren't illegal according to Colorado law. Don't know about Denver law.

[razorback2003]

This is a total joke arresting a guy on probably false charges for guns in his luggage when he is going to a hotel. What law did he break? If this guy has the money, he should have a good lawyer lined out to get his property back from Denver and maybe some damage money.

[Sistema1927]

That smell coming from the north of me is the Constitution being burned in Denver.

[cassandrasdaddy]

the secret service is a force of nature and they will error on their side when they percieve it might be needed

[RobNDenver]

For those of you who believe that this guy was falsely arrested. . . You are right. He was falsely arrested. Does that make any difference to him today? Not a bit. Will it at his arraignment? Nope, not then either. Will he spend thousands of dollars to prove that he was falsely arrested? Yep. Will this make any difference to any of the cops, prosecutors, politicians, judges? Not at all. Will any of them be held personnally responsible for violating Mr. Calanchini's civil rights?

Will he ever be able to clear his name? Not likely. His fingerprints have been electronically submitted to the CBI and FBI. Get this expunged? Good luck on eliminating his criminal history. Google his name and from now until Kingdom come his name is in a story about his arrest. . . .

[Cosmoline]

the secret service is a force of nature and they will error on their side when they percieve it might be needed

That comports with everything I've heard about them. Esp. since 9/11 they have morphed into a latter day Praetorian Guard. They answer to nobody but the President and operate above the law when and as needed. But that still doesn't answer why local authorities saw fit to arrest a man who apparently wasn't doing anything illegal. The SS was not directly involved in this, at least from what I can tell from reports on line.

Does that make any difference to him today? Not a bit. Will it at his arraignment? Nope, not then either.

Of course it makes a difference to him. It also makes a difference at the initial hearing. The state MUST show the basis for holding the man. This is not optional, unless he is treated as an "enemy combatant" and removed from the judicial system altogether.

Will he ever be able to clear his name? Not likely. His fingerprints have been electronically submitted to the CBI and FBI. Get this expunged? Good luck on eliminating his criminal history.

Wait a minute. He has been ARRESTED. That's all. THIS DOES NOT CREATE A "CRIMINAL HISTORY." There is no conviction. As far as I can tell there is no legitimate CHARGE.

Unfortunately, most states severely limit a citizen's ability to sue for wrongful arrest. The state will typically give up when they get in front of a magistrate. But that does not create an actionable tort in most cases, though in extreme cases of abuse it can give rise to federal suit under 1983. The best means of eliminating this kind of nonsense is to expand the right to sue where an arrest is made with full knowledge that it is BS. You can bet the "thin blue line" and powers that be would fight such a proposal tooth and nail.

[jonmerritt]

When he finally gets infront of a judge, it will all be dropped as a missunderstanding.

[cassandrasdaddy]

the secret service was intense even pre 911. and they are girl scouts next to the israeli version

[RP88]

I like how a few people abbreviated secret service into 'SS'. that about sums it up.

[JDoe]

Wait a minute. He has been ARRESTED. That's all. THIS DOES NOT CREATE A "CRIMINAL HISTORY." There is no conviction. As far as I can tell there is no legitimate CHARGE.

But there is an arrest record for firearms violations isn't there?

[armoredman]

Less than 40% of state arrest records are accurate, so even if this individual gets released with no charges filed, he may find it difficult to get the arrest off his record. Not to mention what's the chance he is now on the TSA almighty andnever to be altered no-fly list? There went ALL his hunting trips, if that happened.

[Navy joe]

Misdemeanor=10,000 bond? Okay, that's not excessive or anything. FOPA safe journey laws should protect him, I hope he finds some grounds to sue.

I was almost this guy once, I came rolling out of my house one fine sunny morning on the way to the range. By sling,bag, or case I was laden with about 7 guns, 5 of them rifles. So I stop one step out of the door and stare at the cop blocking my street. I ease back inside and puzzle on what I've done to deserve this, luckily unseen by the cop. Then it occurs to me that the Bush clan is in my neighborhood to attend the christening of the George Bush CVN-77. My place was locked down until they left town.

[txgho1911]

An arrest record is a criminal history. Just ask everyone who never gets the gun the day they buy it.

[Jeff F]

I think they got him for concealed weapons, the handguns in his luggage without a ccw. Same could happen here. Nevada law says something about backpacks, briefcases and so on. I guess even a range bag with a handgun and it could be considered concealed.

[Double Naught Spy]

So RobNDenver, just how are y'all trying to get the AWB plank off the Democratic platform?

I am trying to understand this in regard to how you think this guy may have spoiled things.

[Stevie-Ray]

Perhaps the guy did not know that the Great Queen, Her Royal Highness Nancy Pelosi and her court had comandeered the hotel. (??)+1, and anything else I say would not be HR.

[AntiqueCollector]

All because of some nosey and likely anti hotel worker...a boycott of the hotel may be in order if it could be organized.

Does CO's definition of "concealed" apply to guns being transported in luggage or cases? Was what the guns were in count as a case under any law that says guns in a case are not considered concealed weapons?

This is also a very good case for VT/AK style carry...sure, a carry license is "shall issue" but the law can be used against people doing nothing wrong, like this guy, because he didn't pay a fee and get a little piece of paper, and some paranoid hotel worker was scared he might have a gun and called big brother in to harass him...this case is making me pretty mad.

[AntiqueCollector]

They are not nailing him to the wall because there were Democrats present, they are nailing him to the wall, because he entered a hotel full of politicians and police, carrying guns. The same thing would happen if he did that in St. Paul when the RNC is meeting there.

We are doing our best to get the anti AWB plank removed from the Democratic Platform, and now some dumb sh(&(& forgets himself and tries this? I don't care if he may legally possess these guns, it is inordinately stupid to been this situationally unaware. Mr. Calanchini may not be able to afford to go hunting after he pays for his defense to these charges. As an academy instructor once told me. . . Criminals can often beat the rap, but they won't beat the ride. . . In today's security at any cost to freedom world, this guy is going to pay for his lack of awareness.

I'm not going to give up my rights voluntarily because there are a bunch of anti politicians around. There is no legitimate reason for doing so.

[ShunZu]

(1) A person commits a class 2 misdemeanor if such person knowingly and unlawfully:

(a) Carries a knife concealed on or about his or her person; or

Umm... can't carry a pocket knife in Denver???

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

They are not nailing him to the wall because there were Democrats present, they are nailing him to the wall, because he entered a hotel full of politicians and police, carrying guns. The same thing would happen if he did that in St. Paul when the RNC is meeting there.

We are doing our best to get the anti AWB plank removed from the Democratic Platform, and now some dumb sh(&(& forgets himself and tries this? I don't care if he may legally possess these guns, it is inordinately stupid to been this situationally unaware. Mr. Calanchini may not be able to afford to go hunting after he pays for his defense to these charges. As an academy instructor once told me. . . Criminals can often beat the rap, but they won't beat the ride. . . In today's security at any cost to freedom world, this guy is going to pay for his lack of awareness.

And the cops evacuated Speaker of the House Pelosi while they took this box full of rocks into custody? They really ought to get over themselves.

Frankly, that is *THE* most ignorant string of nonsensical statements I have EVER seen written on the internet, and that is saying something. One at a time:

They are not nailing him to the wall because there were Democrats present, they are nailing him to the wall, because he entered a hotel full of politicians and police, carrying guns.

No they are nailing him precisely because there are a bunch of Democrats in town - are you saying he would not have been "nailed" without the Democrats in town? I believe that you believe that. If so, then the presence of the Democrats is precisely the difference.

The same thing would happen if he did that in St. Paul when the RNC is meeting there.

No, not necessarily. The police in St. Paul may actually have enough self-respect to ya know, FOLLOW THE LAW.

We are doing our best to get the anti AWB plank removed from the Democratic Platform, and now some dumb sh(&(& forgets himself and tries this?

Forgets himself? What makes you think he even KNOWS there is politically stuff going on? He may not give a whit about politics, as is his prerogative. He may not even own a TV or a computer. Do you think there's a law which says that he must follow politics?

I don't care if he may legally possess these guns,

Say what? OK, I don't care if you may legally drive. You should be arrested for murder the next time you drive, and prosecuted for murder. That makes about as much sense - prosecution for a crime not committed. Either it's legal. Or it's not. Did they pass a special law suspending ordinary rights for a few days while the Dems are in town? If they didn't, then ain't nothing different.

it is inordinately stupid to been this situationally unaware. Mr. Calanchini may not be able to afford to go hunting after he pays for his defense to these charges.

Actually he be able to afford a better guided hunting trip than you could ever dream of after he rightfully sues their butts and recovers under a section 1983 claim, for violating his rights under color of law.

As an academy instructor once told me. . . Criminals can often beat the rap, but they won't beat the ride. . . In today's security at any cost to freedom world, this guy is going to pay for his lack of awareness.

As mentioned, he's probably going to get reimbursed quite well for have his rights run over roughshed as is acceptable in your fascist dreamworld.

And the cops evacuated Speaker of the House Pelosi while they took this box full of rocks into custody?

I submit that this guy was not the "box of rocks"; rather, that label could be applied to the person who thinks that we should live under martial law in violation of the Constitution just because some political party is having a pow wow. Absolutely amazingly naive and nonsensical attitude. :mad:

[jaholder1971]

Denver at one time had a nuisance ordinance that prohibited the carry of any firearm in your vehicle. Since it was a nuisance ordinance they would also seize the gun and vehicle and go for forfeiture despite the disposition of the case.

It was thrown out as unconstitutional, it's the (deleted 2003) in section 18-12-105. Unlawfully carrying a concealed weapon - unlawful possession of weapons posted earlier. That hasn't stopped Denver from being the most antigun city in the midwest.

[Aguila Blanca]

You need a concealed weapons permit to carry pistols in your luggage? Are they rewriting the laws as they go along?
Probably.

They arrested him. They have to come up with some cover story to justify it.

[DaveBeal]

Umm... can't carry a pocket knife in Denver???

Elsewhere in CO law, "knife" is defined as having a blade of more than 3.5 inches.

And for those of you asking whether a gun in luggage is considered concealed in Colorado, see post #34. It is not.

[Kim]

What do they mean by he had "permits" for the rifles. Does WY require this. I bet not. Neither CO I bet. What are they jabbering about???

[Gray Peterson]

I think they mean hunting licenses.

[FourTeeFive]

What do they mean by he had "permits" for the rifles. Does WY require this. I bet not. Neither CO I bet. What are they jabbering about???

Maybe the SS is just trying to get the public used to the concept.

What's all the fuhrer about?

:what:

[denfoote]

I've already contacted the NRA and SAF about pro bono defense for this guy.

[Dookie]

It can be considered concealed if it is loaded.
If it is strapped to your back and unseen it a concealed firearm, loaded or not. If it is in your luggage and loaded it is considered a concealed firearm, not loaded then just luggage.
A handgun with a detachable magazine is loaded when the magazine is inserted into the handgun (granted the magazine itself is actually loaded).

[wuchak]

Why the hell did the guy apologize!

The NRA had better step to the plate on this one and help this guy.

[Speer]

"We don't know why he was walking through our hotel," said General Manager Ed Bucholtz.

:rolleyes:

The NRA had better step to the plate on this one and help this guy.

Seriously. The whole thing is a chilling read.

[outerlimit]

See this story:

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/08...-denver-hotel/

Not a lot of data but I wonder if they are nailing him to the wall simply because the dems are in town...

No, it's simply because this country doesn't have a 2nd Amendment.

[jughead2]

been through denver twice in my life. guess that hell hole will be the next place i delete from my few travels.

[skoro]

I hope that young fella is let loose soon and sent on his way, no worse for the wear. Obviously, he wasn't a threat and had no ill intentions.

But the Secret Service guys were just doing what they do. At convention time, a hotel with 90 caliber politician guests is surely going to be pretty carefully patrolled. Does the phrase "condition yellow" sound familiar to anyone? Referring to an awareness of your situation, especially when away from home. Calanchini should have had some idea that there was a major event scheduled for Denver, and that carrying rifles into the lobby of a swank hotel might not be a wise move. I'd bet that the desk clerks had been instructed specifically to call attention to "suspicious" characters, like those carrying gun cases. ;)

If Cal had just invested a couple of minutes to glance at the news headlines or pick up a local newspaper, he'd probably have chosen to go up the road a few miles to avoid all the crowds and save himself the hassle he now faces.

We all have to remind ourselves at times to make a check outside our own skins and get an update on what's happening with the rest of the world. Calanchini may not be guilty of a crime. I don't know enough to speculate. But he's guilty of a dangerous level of cluelessness.

[berettaprofessor]

FourTeeFive: "What's all the fuhrer about?"

Nice pun! LMAOROF.

[TexasRifleman]

But he's guilty of a dangerous level of cluelessness.

Which is still not a crime yet he's in jail for it.

[eflatminor]

I don't know CO or Denver laws, but in California, he might have gotten nailed because the suitcase was not locked...and it would not matter if the pistol was loaded or not. In CA, I know you can't travel in your car with a pistol unless it's in a locked case or in the trunk. I'm not 100% sure how it works when walking down the street (or in a hotel) but I always have my pistols locked up when leaving the house.

If CO requires a pistol to be in a locked case anytime it's outside of your home, they may have this guy. He should have had them locked up so when security questioned him about the rifle case, he could have told them to go spit. If they arrested them even with the pistols locked, he could have looked forward to a nice lawsuit.

I DYING to here from an expert as to whether those pistols needed to be locked up. Either way, this guy doesn't seem like the type to fight the injustice. He seems to just want to make it go away.

[FourTeeFive]

"We don't know why he was walking through our hotel," said General Manager Ed Bucholtz.

I'm REALLY hoping the guy has a printout of his confirmed reservation at the hotel. Since a clerk was "checking him in" it sounds like Mr. Manager is trying to distance himself from the situation (formerly known as lying).

We all have to remind ourselves at times to make a check outside our own skins and get an update on what's happening with the rest of the world. Calanchini may not be guilty of a crime. I don't know enough to speculate. But he's guilty of a dangerous level of cluelessness.

So our rights get suspended because some self-important people come to town? I never saw that part of the Constitutional Amendment.

[SSN Vet]

We are doing our best to get the anti AWB plank removed from the Democratic Platform

I hate to tell you the sobering truth my friend.....but if you ever voted for a Democrat, you voted to kiss you 2nd ammendment rights goodbye. Doesn't matter what that individual says or does....they are part of a team that is anti at it's very core.

Edited to add...

No Democrat will ever get my vote.

The city of Colorado will never see a dime of my money.

[jim147]

I wonder did they use the legal rifles as probable cause to search his bags?
Charges may be dropped. He may get a settlement out of this.
The real problem is that "We the people" pay either way. We are the ones either having our rights violated or the ones paying the taxes that pay the lawsuit.

[rondog]

I have to wonder why this guy was checking into one of the MOST expensive hotels in Denver, when their rates are the highest they've ever been, just for this stupid convention. Just the cost of the room alone should have driven him away screaming, if his intent was truly harmless.

I live in a Denver suburb, and work in downtown Denver. I'll be damn glad when this freak show is over and they're all gone. Colorado gun laws are quite good overall, it's just the City Of Denver that's got the stupid ones.

Carrying a loaded handgun in your car for s/d is legal in CO, permit or not, but not in Denver. A loaded rifle or shotgun is OK in CO too, but not with a round in the chamber.

He must make a pretty good living to be able to afford top-shelf hotels and African safaris.

[DaveBeal]

If it is in your luggage and loaded it is considered a concealed firearm

Not according to Colorado law. See post #34.

If CO requires a pistol to be in a locked case anytime it's outside of your home, they may have this guy.

CO law does not require this, although it is illegal to carry a loaded long gun in a motor vehicle. Carrying a loaded handgun in a vehicle for personal defense is explicitly allowed.

[hkOrion]

CO law does not require this, although it is illegal to carry a loaded long gun in a motor vehicle. Carrying a loaded handgun in a vehicle for personal defense is explicitly allowed.

Clarification - a LOADED long gun means a round in the chamber. Long guns can have a full magazine in the vehicle as long as there isn't a round chambered. AFAIK this is a Division of Wildlife regulation (hunting requirement), not state law.

[ilbob]

I have to wonder why this guy was checking into one of the MOST expensive hotels in Denver, when their rates are the highest they've ever been, just for this stupid convention. Just the cost of the room alone should have driven him away screaming, if his intent was truly harmless.The guy is on his way to Africa for a safari. I suspect money is not as big an issue to him as it might be to one of us. Personally, I hope he gets a big chunk more from Denver.

I am a little curious about the fact that in one of the stories I saw about this incident the story stated that the hotel said he was not registered there.

[Art Eatman]

ilbob, he had entered the hotel with the intention of registering. Before he could actually do so, the clerk sicced the cops on him.

After that, it was hoplophobia at its finest...

[TallPine]

He must make a pretty good living to be able to afford top-shelf hotels and African safaris.

I heard that there's a lot of oil development going on around Pinedale, WY --> single guy making a lot of money taking a hunting trip along the great green and greasy Limpopo River. ;)

[XD_fan]

The hotel caused his arrest before he could get checked in. Nothing more than a hotel manager trying to distance his hotel from a problem they caused. Pretty standard for the the hotel industry. They don't want the taint of anything wrong associated with their business. Especially if they caused the problem.

[Kim]

There is no way the AWB will be removed when the VP slot is filled with the writer of the dang thing. No way will the DEMS go aganist what they see as a Clinton great leap and cultural revolution step forward. They praise the AWB. NO way. Biden who throw a fit.:(

[Zundfolge]

“I didn’t even know the DNC was in town. I don’t watch the news,” Calanchini said
$10 says Mr Calanchini started the day as what most of us here would call a "Fudd" ... and ended the day firmly in the "RKBA Activist" column. I wonder how long until he buys his first EBR.

Welcome to the fold Mr. Calanchini ... sorry your entry had to be so rough.

[eflatminor]

It's just killing me; I have to know if this guy broke a law or not. I'm pissed that he's apologized and that he let them search his belongings. But, what's done is done. What we need to know now is if he broke a law or if the SS just decided to suspend the law while Emperor Pelosi is in town. If he did break a law with pistols in an unlocked case, then we can all agree what a stupid law Denver has. But if the SS ignored law, this can not stand.

[cassandrasdaddy]

the secret service will break or bend a law or 2 if they think it serves their mission. they don't get do overs
in their place i would do similarly

[rondog]

It's just killing me; I have to know if this guy broke a law or not. I'm pissed that he's apologized and that he let them search his belongings. But, what's done is done. What we need to know now is if he broke a law or if the SS just decided to suspend the law while Emperor Pelosi is in town. If he did break a law with pistols in an unlocked case, then we can all agree what a stupid law Denver has. But if the SS ignored law, this can not stand.

At some point, you just have to stop stomping your feet and hollering about "rights" and "legal". When you're surrounded by armed lawmen, it's time to "yes sir" and "no sir", not start squawking about your rights.

This town is currently full of high-level VIP's, whether we like them or not, and the security here is very touchy. I don't understand why people don't get that. The SS and local LEO are going to protect the Pelosi's, Kennedy's, Obama's, Biden's, et al, at all costs. Denver government doesn't want to get Dallas's reputation for "letting" Kennedy get shot, and By God these people are gonna be "SAFE"!

Normal laws and behavior don't count here for the next week. I agree, it sucks, but are "rights" worth getting clubbed or shot over? Not to me. I'm staying as far away from that circus as possible, and I'm still CCW'ing. I've got nothing to prove, just to cover my own ass.

[DaveBeal]

From the Denver Municipal Code:
Sec. 38-117. Dangerous or deadly weapons--Prohibitions.
...
(b) It shall be unlawful for any person, except a law enforcement officer in the performance of duty, to carry, use or wear any dangerous or deadly weapon, including, but not by way of limitation, any pistol, revolver, rifle, ...

Sec. 38-118. Same--Affirmative defenses.
...
(b) It shall be an affirmative defense to charges brought under section 38-117(b) that the weapon is or was carried by such person:
...
(3) For the legitimate sporting use of such weapons, including shooting matches or other target shooting, or trap or skeet shooting; all such weapons being so used shall be unloaded when carried or transported to or from such sporting use;

As long as they were unloaded, it sounds like he's in the clear with respect to Denver law, too.

[rondog]

The guy is on his way to Africa for a safari.

No, his safari is next June. He was here to get some guns worked on, in preparation for the safari.

[AntiqueCollector]

At some point, you just have to stop stomping your feet and hollering about "rights" and "legal". When you're surrounded by armed lawmen, it's time to "yes sir" and "no sir", not start squawking about your rights.

This town is currently full of high-level VIP's, whether we like them or not, and the security here is very touchy. I don't understand why people don't get that. The SS and local LEO are going to protect the Pelosi's, Kennedy's, Obama's, Biden's, et al, at all costs. Denver government doesn't want to get Dallas's reputation for "letting" Kennedy get shot, and By God these people are gonna be "SAFE"!

Normal laws and behavior don't count here for the next week. I agree, it sucks, but are "rights" worth getting clubbed or shot over? Not to me. I'm staying as far away from that circus as possible, and I'm still CCW'ing. I've got nothing to prove, just to cover my own ass.

Totally unacceptable attitude as far as I'm concerned. Rights and laws don't go out the window just because a bunch of politicians are nearby, and as I said before, I'm not about to voluntarily give them up either.

[AntiqueCollector]

From the Denver Municipal Code:
Sec. 38-117. Dangerous or deadly weapons--Prohibitions.
...
(b) It shall be unlawful for any person, except a law enforcement officer in the performance of duty, to carry, use or wear any dangerous or deadly weapon, including, but not by way of limitation, any pistol, revolver, rifle, ...

Sec. 38-118. Same--Affirmative defenses.
...
(b) It shall be an affirmative defense to charges brought under section 38-117(b) that the weapon is or was carried by such person:
...
(3) For the legitimate sporting use of such weapons, including shooting matches or other target shooting, or trap or skeet shooting; all such weapons being so used shall be unloaded when carried or transported to or from such sporting use;
As long as they were unloaded, it sounds like he's in the clear with respect to Denver law, too.

Then if he has the will and the lawyer, he should be able to beat the charge. And hopefully sues those responsible into bankruptcy.

[Sistema1927]

Normal laws and behavior don't count here for the next week. I agree, it sucks, but are "rights" worth getting clubbed or shot over?

Some people pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor against such abuse of rights. We call them the signers of the Declaration of Independence.

[20nickels]

One article states that he has stayed there several times before and that he is in sales. May not be the 1st time he has checked in with long guns strapped to his back. He didn't do anything different than I would have done, get the important stuff from the car 1st and into your locked hotel room. Of course the rifle was in a case "concealed", it just happens to be a good way to transport firearms.
I don't see where this guy broke any law. If he has money and means, he should seek damages, afterall they did imprison the man for no reason.

[TeamPrecisionIT]

18-12-106. Unlawfully making Nancy Pelosi wet her Depends

-No persons shall proceed to carry an evil murder/death/kill weapon while in a 10-mile radius around Nancy Pelosi or any of her other cronies.
-Weapon cannot be carried in any shape, way, or form. A locked case is not a legal means of transportation of murder/death/kill weapon.
-Concealed Carry is never to even be thought of in the presence of the great Nancy Pelosi.

-Violation of this statute constitutes a person shall endure a maximum one (1) week water-boarding interrogation to find the grounds of their violation from the United States Secret Service as well as the United States Federal Marshals.


If you think that this is okay, might as well turn them in right now to your local sheriff's department and give up your rights. I really don't like the violation of civil liberties (if you couldn't tell). If the DP was really afraid of guns, they should just leave the country. Unfortunately for them, this one was founded on the principles of the Constitution. Poor them. Giving up your rights for even 5 minutes should get you infuriated, not to mention a whole week. And to answer a previously stated question, YES my rights are worth getting clubbed and/or shot over. I will gladly put my ass on the line if some POS comes into my house in the middle of the night and attempts to kill or hurt me and/or my family. What's the difference?

Damian

[mr.72]

whoah, TeamPrecisionIT, enhance your calm!

You know I thought this was America ... where we believe that "all men are created equal". I guess some of them are a little more equal than others, which is why we get into this hysterical panic where we toss people's rights out the window and bend over backwards to "protect" a bunch of politicians and their hacks when they deluge a city.

I think Denver is filled with citizens right now, just as it always is. Why then is there stepped up enforcement of anything? Ms. Pelosi has the same right as the rest of the citizens of California to either rely upon the normal police response to "protect" her safety, hire her own personal security, or acquire a concealed handgun license and carry her own firearm. Same goes for all of these politicians.

Frankly I'm sick and tired of this blatant classism. This is not a monarchy. This is the USA.

[Cliff47]

I was under the impression that politicians were always in season, no bag limit, no need to tag.

[MarkDido]

When Joseph Calanchini walked into the Grand Hyatt hotel with 2 rifles and 2 pistols Saturday around 4:00 pm, Denver Police evacuated House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) from the hotel until they arrested Calanchini and made sure it was safe for Pelosi to return.


After police searched and towed Calanchini's car, they allowed House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) back into the hotel.

"The speaker was never in any danger. And she appreciates the quick and professional response of the police," said Brendon Daly, Pelosi spokesman.

Wow with all the political heavyweights descending on Denver, I'm glad the police made sure that Nancy Pelosi was safe....

[SomeKid]

I am curious, did he consent to the search?

[kingpin008]

I'm curious if the NRA is going to take the case or not. Anyone here able to get an answer on that?

[cassandrasdaddy]

what case?

[taprackbang]

I detest government thuggery perpetrated upon law abiding citizens.
Like Pelosi is some wonderful 'holy grail' of a person when, in fact, her actions make her about as lovely as a puddle of vomit.

The title of the story should have red,
“Citizens rights infringed upon by Constitution busting cops”

Only One God and Master.. Christ Jesus

[Catherine]

Quote by Claire Wolfe:
"America is at that awkward stage; it's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

When are the PRO gun organizations going to step up to the 'plate' or are they going to COMPROMISE AGAIN, CAVE IN or IGNORE the problem because they might think that the some of those people are ABOVE the LAW? They don't want to hurt the ____ feelings you know! UGH! They are not ABOVE the LAW and that includes the police force, the secret service, the candidates, all of the convention people, etc.!

The WYOMING man did nothing wrong. H e l l o.....

Of course there are many people who do nothing wrong but that does not stop the NWO power control freaks and other 'words' which I will not put in this thread because it might be IMPOLITE, not allowed, close a thread or get deleted.

One of my late best friends, a gun buddy, a former Army Vietnam Veteran always spoke about Denver and THAT side of Colorado along with it being ruined with 'some people'. He was from the west slope... the Grand Junction area - he was born and raised there. I rest my case.

WY is booming with all kinds of people, industries including the OIL industry. That is not brand new news. It does not matter if the man in question was RICH, middle class or poor... the point is this... he did NOTHING WRONG! His socio/economic level, his status, his wealth or fill in the blank has NOTHING to do with this travesty of JUSTICE!

Yours in liberty,

Catherine

[carnaby]

From the comments on this news report (http://www.9news.com/news/local/article.aspx?storyid=98258&catid=346)

Actually, CoSnowgirl the definition of concealed weapon is carrying it "near or upon your person" and without quoting it directly, the Colorado Revised Statutes define that as the weapon being readily and immediately available. A weapon in your vehicle's trunk or even far enough away from an occupant it can't be easily, quickly and readily reached, even if it is covered over, is not a "concealed weapon". A handgun locked inside a hard-sided case (I listened to some of this incident on my scanner) inside a locked hardsided suitcase isn't even remotely within that definition by the wildest stretch. This guy has an open and shut zillion dollar lawsuit if he wants it. If I knew I was going to pass more money to my heirs than they could ever spend in their lifetimes after Hyatt and Denver settle out of court, I wouldn't be at all upset, either.
The guy with the scanner seems to have overheard that the dude was carrying the pistols in a locked case inside a hard-sided suitcase. Let's hope that's true, that would end this quickly.

[cassandrasdaddy]

that would be a most remarkably detailed report to have gleaned from a scanner. and it conflicts with the other accounts which indicate the handguns were in his luggage seperate from the long guns. that said i wish him luck . i suspect they will offer him a kiss and make up deal

[Standing Wolf]

Some people pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor against such abuse of rights. We call them the signers of the Declaration of Independence.

Thank you, fellow American.

[VARifleman]

cd,

It sounds like it was in his suitcase, and was inside a hard pistol case locked up.

[kingpin008]

what case?

Seriously?


The case that this guy is going to have against the Denver P.D., the hotel management, etc.

That case.

[cassandrasdaddy]

i really hope so one thing gets folks in trouble is going from places with good law to places with stupid law. i know folks who got caught behind innocent mistakes

[cassandrasdaddy]

hate to interject reallity but what case do you imagine against the hotel? and did denver pd pop him or secretservice?
i wish him luck on a case in front of a jury

[Str8Shooter]

Unless you have a CCW, in Denver you've got a problem if the cops consider carrying a gun in a case "concealed". Denver prohibits open carry, so you're screwed either way.

[cassandrasdaddy]

how did denver get that way? it wasn't always. my kid sister lived there quite a while

[Str8Shooter]

how did denver get that way? it wasn't always. my kid sister lived there quite a while

Lots of liberals moved here after their work was done in ****.

[velobard]

I haven't seen any updates on this story today. I sure hope this guy isn't still squating in a cell. I also hope the NRA and the RNC (this could be great PR for them, even if it is a pipe dream) is kicking in with legal assistance.

[taprackbang]

I have heard that Denver has gone the way of Cali, Chicago, Mass., NY,
N.J. (that is, a thorn in the side of 2nd Amendment lovers.)

Is this true?

[Mr_Rogers]

On the face of it this looks more serious but we still get the inevitable stupid comments.

DENVER – Police have arrested three people they believe are linked to a white supremacy group in connection with a threat to possibly assassinate Sen. Barack Obama during the Democratic National Convention.

http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=98343&provider=top

"There is no reason for someone [with a criminal record] to have rifles with scopes," said an unidentified source.



BELOW
Agreed VARifleman, perhaps I did not make that clear.

[VARifleman]

Mr. Rogers,

It appears that that is a separate instance.

[bragood]

It amazes me how some people think "rifles with scopes" are sniper rifles. After going to a few high power matches it occured to me that these people usually form illogical opinions.

[Green Lantern]

Are they rewriting the laws as they go along?

If there's any truth to the city ordering the cops to ignore pot-smokers while the Convention is in town....YEP.

[rondog]

I believe in my rights and hate government oppression of any kind as much as the next guy, but come on....put yourself in that same situation, and try to stand your ground and demand your rights, etc. They're gonna take you down fast and hard, that's just reality, especially in a politico-heavy environment. The Speaker Of The House is in line after the Vice-President, after all.

Might be illegal, you might win the lawsuit and get a settlement, but what kind of hell do you think you'll go through during and after? Do you really think standing your ground would be worth it?

Where's the LEO opinions on this? Come on guys, I know you're out there. You've been trained for stuff like this, what's the real deal?

[FourTeeFive]

The SS and local LEO are going to protect the Pelosi's, Kennedy's, Obama's, Biden's, et al, at all costs.

Does the signature below sound familiar? Government officials are supposed to be deriving their powers from the consent of the governed. So what should anything change just because OUR officials are in town?

[cassandrasdaddy]

the real cops are probably laughing too hard

[dogmush]

Actually, Rondog, Given a little bit of time to think about it, I might go ahead and get beat by the cops, maybe tazed if I'm lucky. It would make the following lawsuit that much better.

This guy did, and is doing, what he thinks best. I'm not there, so I'm not going to Monday Morn. QB him. I do sincerley hope that he sues the pants of the city, and gets policy changes effected in the SS and Denver PD. I'm not optimistic that he will, I just hope he does.

It amazes me how some people think "rifles with scopes" are sniper rifles.

I think that comes from the media calling a 100 yd shot a "sniper attack".

[Gunsby_Blazen]

He will get a lawyer and everything will be taken care of. I dont see how the city has a case...
especially considering that the rifles were in cases and he was behaving like a rational citizen.

thats what I think....

[RoadkingLarry]

the secret service will break or bend a law or 2 if they think it serves their mission. they don't get do overs
in their place i would do similarly
That is actually a pretty disgusting point of view.. I think I'll go vomit a litle now.

The ends DO NOT justify the means.

[Art Eatman]

This thread has become--to be polite--"disappointing".