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Second Amendment Liberal
August 25, 2008, 07:16 AM
Hi everyone. I'm sort of new here (I registered a few months ago to make a post in a topic). And yes, I know i'm probably in the minority here being left of center :p but I assure you, I think the 2nd amendment is just as important as them all.

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Second Amendment Liberal
August 25, 2008, 07:18 AM
Anyways, to make the discussion firearms related, i'm looking at getting a CZ-52 (I love Czech guns). What is everyone's thoughts on the 7.62x25? Do you think it is still a viable self-defense cartridge (using JHP of course)

Apple a Day
August 25, 2008, 08:02 AM
Welcome aboard!

7.62x25: I found a lot of nasty milsurp ammo. The Yugo stuff wasn't bad (came in 70 round boxes of manila-looking cardboard) but it had some hard primers. I came across some really old S&B on stripper clips that would hangfire. Not a pleasant experience. I still have a strip of it around here somewhere. HP might be tough to find and pricey.
If you want a Czech gun I'd go with a CZ-75. I've owned both, still own the -75. It's a beautiful thing.

ptmmatssc
August 25, 2008, 08:54 AM
Have bought JHP for my CZ-52 for $13/ 50 round box . That's not a bad price considering the costs of ammo for my 40s & 45s .

Although anything is better than nothing , my first choice wouldn't be a CZ-52 as an sd weapon .

El Tejon
August 25, 2008, 09:00 AM
Welcome to THR.

Software trumps hardware. Seek training and then allow your education to choose your pistol.

Vermont
August 25, 2008, 09:34 AM
I know nothing about the CZ 52, but I do own a CZ 75 and would recommend CZs.


You're not the only left leaning supporter of the 2nd amendment. We seem to be in the minority here, but that hasn't stopped me from feeling welcome and learning more here than from any other website.

Welcome!

crushbup
August 25, 2008, 10:58 AM
CZ52s have very poor sights, especially for low light situations. It's trigger is not the best either. For me, I would only grab it if for some reason I didn't have a gun with better sights on hand.

If you must have a gun in 7.62, go with a TT33; the sights are a bit better and the trigger pull can be great, depending on how the gun was treated.

If you are insistent on a Czech gun, go for a CZ75. You can have it in 9mm, .40S&W, and .45ACP; all respectable calibers with proven HP rounds (I vote federal HST). It has excellent sights, the trigger out of the box is good, and can have a beautiful single-action with a drop in trigger job. They also come in all shapes in sizes.

Beware, however, they tend to multiply in the safe. ;)

Dain Bramage
August 25, 2008, 11:12 AM
My CZ52 is a fun toy. I got the Makarov.com trigger improvement while it was still available, and the trigger slicked right up, with very little slack and only slight creep.

The Wolf Gold/Prvi Partisan JHPs must have some OAL variation, because they hang up in my CZ52. Romanian surplus causes hard-primer misfires, so it's S&B hardball or nothing.

My TU-90 (Chinese Tok copy) feeds all the above ammo with no problems, and would be my prefered go-to gun over the CZ, if that was all I had.

Listen to some of the suggestions and get a CZ75 for a primary pistol. Get a CZ52 for the fireball show, if you have your other bases covered.

REPOMAN
August 25, 2008, 11:20 AM
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Second Amendment Liberal
August 25, 2008, 12:19 PM
thanks for the welcome guys.

I don't intend for the CZ-52 to be a self-defense gun, just what are the thoughts on it's cartridge.

bestseller92
August 25, 2008, 12:21 PM
Pro guns liberals are my favorite kind of lefties :). Welcome.

hso
August 25, 2008, 12:22 PM
A very high velocity round in a hollow point would be very effective. That's exactly what you'd be shooting.

Other warnings about the 52, springs and pens. Get replacements for both and keep them on hand. The 52 tends to eat them.

lysander
August 25, 2008, 01:16 PM
And yes, I know i'm probably in the minority here being left of center but I assure you, I think the 2nd amendment is just as important as them all.

Not all of us are conservative cro-magnons. :p Some of us are arugula chomping elitists. :D

I don't intend for the CZ-52 to be a self-defense gun, just what are the thoughts on it's cartridge.

I think the cartridge is a pretty hot little chili pepper. If you find the right ammo you can chuck a 85 grain JHP at around 1200 fps right? I just wish the pistol design was a touch more modern.

capttom
August 25, 2008, 01:52 PM
I have an irrational fondness for the CZ-52 and it's calibre but I have to remember their weaknesses. Slim, trim, and speedy, the pistol fits my hand, the styling fits my aesthetics, but I worry about the firing pin and the safety. The cartridge is a fireball and a thunderclap coming out of the barrel. I've never fired it at night; I was born on a stormy night and lightning scares me to this day.

Blofeld
August 25, 2008, 02:45 PM
Alot of surplus is steel core, for what it's worth. And +1 on the pins, milled ones are available for about $15, and that's a smart investment.

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