Silencers. pros? cons?

[Aka Zero]

In my constant searching for parts for my possible AR build. I stumbled inevitably across silencers... I have always wanted one.

http://www.yhm.net/store/SSphantom556.html
http://www.yhm.net/store/phantom762.html

I like the design of these, and like the fact the 7.62 can be attached to a 5.56/ .233 gun. But what sound reduction could I expect with less of a gas seal? The $200 tax is a non issue, but I wouldn't like paying it multiple times. So the "one for all" might be the way to go.

Was also looking at maybe getting a keltec prl16, which i have heard is very loud. so, silencer was my first thought.

but what kind of things do you do to go from dream to owning one. purchase, pay tax, have rifle fitted with mount. And how do you maintain these, do they need cleaned occasionally, some come apart, some don't I have noticed.

Just wanting general info on "cans"

[crushbup]

Generally with 7.62 cans on a 5.56 gun, the sound is very close to using a 5.56 suppressor due to the extra volume in the can. The difference in hole size doesn't matter.

Most centerfire rifle silencers do not require cleaning. There may be some carbon build up, and you want the threads to be clear of dirt. Carbon usually builds up, a shot loosens it, and the next shot blows it all out. No maintenance required.

HOWEVER, if you try shooting .22 rimfire or cast lead bullets through it (may void the warranty), the lead will build up. In a can that doesn't come apart, you will have to send it to the manufacturer for cleaning, and they may not be very enthusiastic about doing it. If you have a take apart can, you can scrub or bead blast the lead out.

There is one other way to clear lead out, but I do not recommend it because it produces lead acetate and may rust up a non stainless or aluminum can. The problem with lead acetate is that it is much more soluble than normal lead and will easily find its way into water, potentially causing great harm. It must be disposed of at a hazmat center.

I'd go with the 7.62, it's much more versatile.

[H2O MAN]

I have a .30 caliber Smith Enterprise / Fisher Enterprise DC sound suppressor inbound.
It fits the SEI DC Vortex that I have on my M14, AK and that I would have on a .223 AR if I owned one.

[Aka Zero]

Hm... Sei doesn't sell to civilians, direct anyway. Any way to order them without being leo, military?

Looks like they disassemble, and the attachment looks easy enough, cleaner lines than just threads or a threaded flash hider.

[H2O MAN]

contact Mr. David Fisher directly at 602 615-7777 or via email at davidbfisher@qwest.net.

[DoubleTapDrew]

You might want to break that link and replace @ with "AT" or throw a "REMOVE THIS" in his email or the spam bots may git him.

I like the idea of getting one can instead of spending another $600+tax to quiet both poodle shooters and battle rifles.

[Darthbauer]

Mostly pros with shooting with a can but...

A con is when shooting a full auto M16 with one, the gas is blown right back in your face and up your nose. Fun, but damn it smells. Probably be better with a piston system on it where it blows the gas out under the hand guards.

[Aka Zero]

I know they have a charging handle made for full auto fire with a can. Called the gas buster if I remember.

becasue people found that part not fun.

[rfurtkamp]

Con on a .223 is additional size and weight. My Gemtech HVT works as well as anything else I've heard on a .223, but it does weigh 26-28 ounces.
Other than that, no real issues.

I didn't buy it for AR use though, but it works on one if I need it to.

[Aka Zero]

I just want A silencer sometime, and if it worked on most of my guns, would be even happier.

One of my dreams is a ps-90, with the short barrel (curses another $200 tax) and a silencer. And a 7.63 silencer would fit that too.

and if I ever get a .308 bolt action, would work with that too.

[crushbup]

Also, instead of using the Gasbuster, you can use silicon gel to make a seal on the charging handle. There are instructions on the internet, but I forgot to bookmark them. It's cheaper than a Gasbuster, and works much better from what I've heard.

[gcrookston]

I liked the YHM so much on my USP Tactical that I ordered the Phantom for my Super SASS.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj19/gcrookston/DSC00106.jpg

[Aka Zero]

Got to love those raised sights.

[Zach S]

Also, instead of using the Gasbuster, you can use silicon gel to make a seal on the charging handle. There are instructions on the internet, but I forgot to bookmark them. It's cheaper than a Gasbuster, and works much better from what I've heard.
RTV sealant, actually.

I think its in one of the 6,749 stickies at arfcom.

[Kind of Blued]

Where the heck is PTK with his photos of his short-barreled PS90 with a can? He should be along shortly. :)

[Aka Zero]

Wouldn't mind seeing that.

How would one go about getting the long barrel ps-90 to legal sbr status?

[rfurtkamp]

You'd file a Form 1 (or have a licensed manufacturer file it and xfer it back on a Form 4) and do the related stuff, replace the barrel or cut it down, mark it appropriately and presto (after a wait for the stamp), sbr.

Same way I've done mine.

http://robert.furtkamp.com/guns/nfafamily-web.jpg

[Aka Zero]

You can buy the short barrel for the ps-90, no gun smithing required.

Got to love short barrels though. So much cleaner looking.