Can anything beat the EMP?


August 25, 2008, 10:28 AM
I am looking for a 3" 1911 in 9mm and wondering if any of the other ones out there can beat the EMP. The searching and articles I read give rave reviews for the EMP but there aren't many that compare others in that same category. By only saving a couple hundred bucks it may not be worth it to get a Para? I see that Kimber now offers a 9mm CDP, I have a Pro CDP in .45 and love it. I will be using this for a plinker and a CCW.
So hopefully there are some out there that know where to find some comparison articles, or have personal experience.

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August 25, 2008, 10:52 AM
I was excited about the EMP and had high expectations due to the rave reviews. A friend of mine let me take his out for a test drive and I was very pleased. It does seem that they require some break in, but after that they are reliable for CCW.

August 25, 2008, 01:35 PM
I've had mine for a year now. Love it. It's is currently my choice for CCW.

August 25, 2008, 02:06 PM
I am the unfortunate owner of a Para Warthog. It's a complete piece of **** and Para isn't "man" enough to make it right. It's a $950 turd.


You really don't want one of these.


August 25, 2008, 02:19 PM
The EMP is a really fine pistol. I can't think of anything better in 9MM in its weight and size class.

Guns and more
August 25, 2008, 02:19 PM
I have the (slightly) big brother to the EMP, the Springfield Micro Compact in .45. It's been fun and would make a great carry gun.

August 25, 2008, 02:34 PM
I honestly can't think of anything. I'd love to have one but I can't justify spending that much.

August 25, 2008, 02:40 PM

Mine is just over a year old from NIB with 1600, pure bliss, rounds.

It did have a break-in period of around 400 rounds, especially the use of JHP's.

Using 115gr JHP it never missed a beat, but had some issues with FTFC with 124gr JHP's and big FTFC issues with 135gr JHP..

Somewhere around the 800 round mark, I bought some Flitz Polish, and using a Q-tip, did a light polish job on the feed ramp going up and down only. I was surprised, in that, I was using EEZOX to clean the ramp and then coat it lightly but still, every now and then I would get a FTFC with the 135gr JHP..

So, when I did the Fliztz Polish job, I was surprised to see the Q-tip turn a lightly colored black (this when I thought it was clean). Well, ever since that little extra effort, the EMP has had no issues with any JHP's and as gone 100% using either 124gr or 135gr JHP's..

Great little tack driver and ccw gun IMO.

Between the EMP 9mm and my Sig P229's 9mm/40 I'm a happy ccw-camper

They both just keep on going, and going, and going


August 25, 2008, 03:14 PM
Colt Defender less money bigger hole
45 beats a nine .

August 25, 2008, 07:27 PM
Colt still makes Defenders?

August 25, 2008, 07:36 PM
The EMP is as good as it comes.


Gordon Fink
August 25, 2008, 07:39 PM
Colt Defender less money bigger hole
45 beats a nine.

But the EMP is smaller. You can only shrink down a .45-ACP grip frame by so much.

I was hoping to handle an EMP at the gun show last weekend, but there were none to be found.

~G. Fink

J Lambs
August 25, 2008, 07:59 PM
I have the EMP and a Kimber Stainless Ultra Carry in 9mm. I think the EMP fits better in the hand, but the Kimber was about $250 cheaper.

August 25, 2008, 10:12 PM
In a 1911 platform, STI has some models that may give the EMP a run for it's money. The Rogue has a 3 inch barrel, alloy frame, and weighs 21 ounces. The Escort has a 3.4 inch barrel, alloy frame, and weighs 22.8 ounces. If you want steel, the Guardian has a 3.9 inch barrel and weighs 32.4 ounces.

August 25, 2008, 11:56 PM
the only pistol in the EMP's class is an old Star BKM...on a SAO platform.

the ultimate pistol in that size is the HK P7

August 26, 2008, 02:57 AM
I am looking for a 3" 1911 in 9mm and wondering if any of the other ones out there can beat the EMP.

BUL M-5 ULTRA X - Made in Israel, 12rds in 9mm, and 10 in 40SW

August 26, 2008, 06:44 PM

I had a Colt Defender and put some 1450 rounds downrange.. It too had a break in period of some 400 rounds, along with, the factory mags vs the Wilson Combat mag I bought for it. After the break-in, it never missed a JHP beat with the Wilson mag, but it did cough now and then with the factory mags..

The one thing that finally made me come to the conclusion, of selling it, was mainly the one-hand shot factor with the Defender/45 and usage of any JHP's, be them 185gr or 230gr, and that was simply that the gun was not forgiving of an improper 2-hand grip, nor a weak one hand grip, and could have a feed jam because of either factor..

Whereas, the EMP 9mm has as many rounds downrange, holds 9+1 over the *Colts 7+1 (*but again, having a max round count) meant that *the gun "demanded" grip perfection, or else jam-time vs the EMP's factory mags (3) that come with the gun worked 100% from get go, and is, IMO, far more forgiving of any type grip one may or may not have time to use, as I have not had a FTF or FTFC using a proper 2-hand grip or a weak one hand grip, as the gun just shoots, no matter.

One gun is forgiving, *one is not so forgiving, IMO, and given the accuracy of quick follow-up shots with a 2 hand grip or one hand grip, the EMP 9mm stayed, the Colt Defender/45 went.. (not to mention that the wife in no way, could ever reliably count on the Defender, period (or some one's girlfriend, maybe) and wanted nothing to do with it, ever.



August 27, 2008, 10:00 AM
The EMP is actually 9+1, but regardless, it is a great platform to shoot. Crazy accuracy and still small enough to conceal. They are very well made, though some have required a trip back to the factory with super results afterwards.

My EMP will be my carry pistol, . . . . as soon as Big Brother gives me the "go ahead".

August 28, 2008, 02:33 PM
Not in my opinion, but when I get mine it'll go straight to the custom shop for a new carbon fiber trigger, armory kote the slide to match the frame, polish job and then I got to find new grips. :)

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