If you had to purchase a new (or used) knife...


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dust_101
August 25, 2008, 03:24 PM
...and it had to be the following:

Folder... with a...
Clip for your front pocket
Blade 3" or less (state law)
Locking blade

...and planned to be used every single day for every use from field dressing a deer to cutting open boxes to possibly defending yourself once your CCW jams (not that THAT would happen)...

What would you buy?! Or... you already have one and what is it?

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Kingcreek
August 25, 2008, 03:29 PM
Bob Dozier's medium folding hunter in D2 and micarta. sharp sharp sharp and built like a tank.
(good luck finding one, but you didn't say it had to be readily available or under 400 bucks)
second choice small Chris Reeves sebenza
or Phil Boguszewski cobra

Tirod
August 25, 2008, 04:31 PM
Most states have a max blade length law. Most stores carry knives with blade lengths in excess. Most PD's only push the issue if it's actively used in a crime, or they encounter it on a juvenile in a public arena.

I would choose the following features, and let blade length fall where it may on comfortable carry. A drop point, flat ground blade in the better grades, such as ATS34, with G10 fiberglass scales, with a thick linerlock or framelock construction. Avoid any steel labeled 420, except Buck, and fiber reinforced nylon grips, as both are too soft and flexible for serious use. I would also avoid any locking liner that is made of stainless steel. Most inferior knives seem to share those three materials and are priced accordingly.

That ought to knock it down to about 50 or so different knives. The market has a lot of choice right now.

I use a titanium framelock with a blade that has a 3" edge, but the law would consider it 4" from the tip to bolster. Benchmade, Spyderco, Buck, CRKT, and many others make one that can do the job from box cutting to field dressing. The Benchmade Vex and Spyderco Tenacious are both good, even tho sourced from China. Not many others from there deserve your attention.

dust_101
August 25, 2008, 04:48 PM
@Kingcreek - Well, I do hope that I'll be able to buy one before the year is out, so available would be a good thing! As for your suggestions, very... VERY appealing. Just need to sneak it by the wife!

@Tirod - I figured if I start by looking at the size near 3" I should be ok, just don't want to give the local PD any reason to speak to me about a knife I'm using. All good suggestions, and I will take the features you mentioned under advisement.

Kingcreek
August 25, 2008, 04:57 PM
I have a Dozier medium folding hunter and have used it for 4 years. I have many folders, and some customs costing 2x what I paid for the dozier. If god spoke to me and told me to throw away all but one folding knife, I would keep the Dozier.
They are sometimes available on the secondary market. Bob stopped taking orders but occaisionally makes a few.

Striker
August 25, 2008, 05:01 PM
My recommendation is a Chris Reeves small Sebenza. Readily available and worth the cost.

kentucky_Dave
August 25, 2008, 05:04 PM
stainless spyderco delica partially serrated.
I've carried this one for years and years (+/- 10 years), and it is as close to a perfect knife as anyone can ask for.
Plenty of abuse and it continues to function as designed.
It holds an edge fairly well too.

ArfinGreebly
August 25, 2008, 05:50 PM
I'm following this with interest, as I don't believe I own any that fit the OP requirement.

My favorite full-sized folder is disqualified on two points: 1) blade is 3.5" long, 2) no pocket clip. I'm really happy with it, and it's in my EDC rotation at the top of the list, but it doesn't fit the req.

My second choice . . . is pretty close. It's a Buck Sirus. I have both the 297 (in 420HC) and the 298 (in 154CM), and it's a real handful of knife. Blade exceeds the stated requirement (it's 3.25" or so). It's an assisted opener, so local regs may limit access. It does have the pocket clip, so it's pretty close.

Now that I think of it, I do have one that could arguably do the job, the Buck Rush. It has a smallish blade, but the gal who works the knife counter at a local sporting goods shop skinned her deer with one last year when she found she had left her big knife in the truck. (Kind of disturbing to see how facile she is with that knife. She kind of brushes her hand by her pocket and magically there's a 2.5" blade sticking out from under her thumb.)

Looking at the Spyderco offerings, I have to say I really like the feel of the Delica, even though I balk at the "hump" in the blade where the hole is. I actually like the Native profile better, and it's blade length is only 1/8 inch longer than the specified 3 inches. I may have to get one of these for myself.

If I didn't have to worry about cost, I'd be all over the Sebenza. Every time I look at one I drool. And I hear hso laffin' in the background.

Valkman
August 25, 2008, 06:29 PM
When I see Natives and Delicas recommended I always wish the OP would give us an idea of hand size. I've bought both of those knives and they were too small for me to use so I gave them away.

Frankly my Small Skinner fits all your needs but it's a fixed blade.

Kingcreek
August 25, 2008, 06:49 PM
Arfin, I always wondered where Lorena Bobbit wound up after her 15 minutes of fame.

sm
August 25, 2008, 07:09 PM
It ain't cheatin' - instead called ingenuity.

The criteria in original post is really not my thing...so...
I am going to holler at hso and JShirley, and let these two decide and mail me whatever they come up with.




Steve

Mongrel
August 25, 2008, 07:36 PM
Arfin, I always wondered where Lorena Bobbit wound up after her 15 minutes of fame

She bacame a Rabbi...

ArfinGreebly
August 25, 2008, 08:28 PM
Actually, the young lady in question is a medium-petite blonde.

Sunny disposition.

Ready smile.

No nonsense when the topic is hunting.

Good -- really good -- with cutlery.

I imagine that if venison was a kind of fish she could have been a sushi chef.

:D

ugaarguy
August 26, 2008, 03:53 AM
I have the old Sypderco Calypso Jr. with black linen micarta handle and AUS-8 steel blade.
...and planned to be used every single day for every use from field dressing a deer to cutting open boxes to
The linen micarta is way to slick for any game use, and the blade is too pointy. A nice curved blade is much easier for skinning use. Based on great experience with the Calypso I'd look at another Spyderco as a less expensive alternative to the custom/semi-custom knives already mentioned. You can still find the 3 & 1/4" blade Spyderco Ocelot, which is very similar to their old Tim Wegner designed Hunter. http://www.spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=199
I've also carried a 3.5" blade Benchmade Griptilian and enjoyed the heck out of it. They make a smaller 2.9" blade version that I think would also fit your needs well. I like the bright color handle options for hunting knives because you can see them easily if you drop them in the woods; though a more subdued color may fit your under the radar styling better. http://www.benchmade.com/products/product_detail.aspx?model=555HG

alaskanativeson
August 26, 2008, 04:47 AM
If I could only have one with money being no object I'd get a Chris Reeve Sebenza (http://www.chrisreeve.com/sebenza.htm) with micarta inlays. The Seb is a great little knife and about as tough as knives come but my everyday carry knife is a Benchmade Griptilian (http://www.cutleryshoppe.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=8342). I carry mine every day up here in the Alaska frontier with no regrets.

dust_101
August 26, 2008, 10:08 AM
Ok, y'all are just killing me with the Sebenza info. I mean it, if money were no object (though, you don't take it with you when you die so why not) I'd be all over that Small Sebenza. Pure utilitarian beauty.

@Valkman - I'm 6'2" 225 with hands that fit the frame (I'm more of a 1911 man) if that helps at all.

Benchmade Griptillian 555HG - I'm liking that one, the handle looks like a nice no-slip option. 154CM Stainless Steel

Buck Rush - Very nice look to it, my only concern is the lack of any grip texture for use when wet/blood or with gloved hands.

Spyderco - The Ocelot has a nice look as well, though with the 3.25" blade I may have to pass. When it comes down to it, under 3" and 1/4" over just doesn't seem like a big deal, but you never know.

Native - Definitely a knife with a look to it. CPM-S30V Steel and just a hair over the 3" at 3 1/8" (80mm). Almost to much of a 'point' to the blade. The curve on the sheepsfoot style blade (Benchmade) has my attention for sure.

Delica - Just having a hard time getting past the 'hump'. If I can get used to it, then it seems like a very good option with the VG-10 flat saber-ground blade.

...now that I reread what I just wrote, can't tell if I'm sold on any of them yet!! Feels like a stong lean towards the Benchmade this morning.

...but that Ocelot does look nice. Just wish those pawprints were not on it, the blade style is growing on me.

19-3Ben
August 26, 2008, 11:48 AM
I'd go with the mini-griptiallian from Benchmade. I just got the full-sized Griptilian and I absolutely love it. The blade is razor sharp, it opens up very smoothly, locks VERY solidly. Feels like a fixed blade when open.

I give it a solid "A"

kentucky_Dave
August 26, 2008, 12:44 PM
the hump on the delica is a great leverage point and makes opening one handed absolutely simple.
That is just my opinion though, I am biased because I have carried it for so long.

I did buy several replacements (ALL sorts of blade configurations), just in case...if that tells you anything about just how comfortable they are to carry and use (for me anyway).

I'd say find a used beat up knife (no matter what maker or type) on fleabay and give it a try before you buy a good one for every day use.

dust_101
August 27, 2008, 10:13 PM
Ok, question on the Benchmade Griptilian:

On their website it looks like the ambi thumbhole opener is an oval shape:

http://www.benchmade.com/products/product_detail.aspx?model=555HG

...but from seeing photos of them on sites like *gag* ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/BENCHMADE-555-Blue-MINI-Griptilian-Pardue-Knife_W0QQitemZ190246131944QQihZ009QQcategoryZ73531QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

They look like a round hole. Which is it? The oval shape was one factor that was leading me towards getting the 555, but if it is a choice between two folding knives with round holes in the blade, I may just go with the Spyderco VG-10 blade, vs the 154CM blade.

...and yes I've tried to fly the Sebenza flag, but no one saluted!

mdao
August 27, 2008, 11:05 PM
Both. The Grip comes in round hole, oval hole, or thumbstud format.

Zip7
August 28, 2008, 12:15 AM
I've had several of the type, and a Spyderco Delica is hard to beat. It's rugged, easy to clean, holds an edge, easy to sharpen, ergonomically designed, inexpensive, and it's just plain useful.

I've skinned & quartered 4 deer in one session with one. Did have to touch it up after, though.

ARTiger
August 28, 2008, 01:05 AM
I think this one is an incredible bargain ($29.99 @ Cabela's). Easy opening, locks up solid and holds an edge forever. 440C also. I have the full size, but the Mini has a 2.9" blade.
http://somewhereoutwest.net/osc/images/20040324013734_Photo2.jpeg

JTW Jr.
August 28, 2008, 01:44 AM
Strider PT CC. That would be my choice.

And yes I already have one.

sixgunner455
August 28, 2008, 05:25 AM
I would get a Native, if it had to be a high-end stainless for not much money. It doesn't get better than that.

If the style bugs you, that Benchmade Mini Pika actually looks like something I would carry, too. And the Sebenza has a really good reputation, though I've never felt like I should pick one up to see if I like it. I have too many other things to spend my money on as it is.

The only lockback I've been carrying lately is a Case Copperlock, but that misses one of your reqs -- the pocket clip -- because I decided that they aren't for me. Tore up too many pants and car seats and lost too many of them to getting yanked out of my pocket. It's quite interesting to hear your assisted opener smack the sidewalk and then the snapping sound of it opening due to the inertia.

Copperlock is a a very nice knife, though it does miss the pocket clip from your requirements. They come in two sizes (I haven't measured my large one, but the small should definitely make your limit, at least), and are available in a nice basic stainless, or carbon steel. They are nicer looking than most of the tactical folders -- attractive bone handles in many colors and styles, besides the yellow delrin one can find sometimes. Depending on your state, where you live, and where you work, it might be worth considering something that looks more traditional.

Not trying to mess with your mind or disrespect your choice, just putting out some other things to think about.

hangtime
August 28, 2008, 06:05 AM
I'm not quite the fan of Buck folders as Arfin Greebly but you've got to tip your hat to anyone who can use the word "facile" in a sentence. :D Put me down on the list that says Chris Reeve Sebenza - I have never seen a better folder.

dust_101
August 28, 2008, 11:10 AM
One last question, has anyone purchased or used one of the 'Wave' Spyderco knives? It looks interesting, but somewhat gimmiky. As well, I have to keep the consideration that IF I happen to leave my guthook at home like I did this last deer season I'll be using my pocket knife as the field stripping blade. The 'hook' on that Wave option just looks like trouble.

I'm really hovering on the Delica or the Griptillian 555, VG-10 steel vs 154CM, and I do like the fact that the Delica is flat saber-ground as well.

dust_101
September 12, 2008, 06:23 PM
Well folks, I ended up buying a new Spyderco Delica 4 with the straight edge, and I tell you this is one excellent knife. It's lightweight, but it just FITS in my hand. The thumbrest comes in very handy, and the VG-10 steel looks like it will hold an edge just fine.

Ironically while talking to some friends about my dilemma, one of them told me about a small group of knives he bought from a wholesaler and there were some of the Camillius Heat knives. I asked more about them, and he just whipped one out of his briefcase and gave it to me!! I was of course very thankful of the gift, but man the difference between the knives is night and day. The Heat is larger by nearly 1/2" but the weight is very different, probably the liner. Anyway it is another straight blade, but with the black finish (not really my style), but interesting nonetheless.

Aka Zero
September 13, 2008, 07:09 AM
Razel..... Fixed pocket knife. 2" and 3" blades.

I also like my crkt m21, 3" blade, love the flipper.
Benchmade Pika II, there is a mini that' is at 3".
Byrd Line, cheaper spydercos. Flight is a nice oen. 3" I think, have it in g-10, can also get it with frn, or stainless handles.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
September 21, 2008, 12:56 PM
On a budget, I'd go with a Spyderco or the Kershaw Leek. I love my S30V/G10 Leek:

http://www.knifecenter.com/kc_new/store_detail.html?s=KS1660G10

Blade length is exactly 3". Good slicer and stabber.

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