Taurus PT 145


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KF
August 26, 2008, 12:48 PM
Looking for advice..
I carry a Sig 239 in .9mm
I am looking for a small .45. not single action. The tarus PT 145 looks and feels fine, carrys 10 +1 ( versus the Sig 245 which is 6+1 and the SW 457 7+1).
I have heard mixed reviews on the Taurus. Any advise. Anyone carry/shoot one?
Anyone own a sig 239 and a Taurus 145 and can compare the two??
Thanks

Be safe.

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tinygnat219
August 26, 2008, 01:08 PM
I used to own the PT 145, and it's single stack DAO predecessor the 745.
Be prepared for the gun to NOT go into battery every other magazine or so. This has happened to me with both guns.

On the PT 145, the Guide rod / Recoil Spring assembly started poking out of the hole because the tip of the spring had managed to jump the plug on the rod.

For the 745, which was my best Taurus product, it also failed to go into battery. However, the spring wouldn't try to poke itself out either.

Skip Taurus and go with the Sig. You will be much happier.

Old Dog
August 26, 2008, 02:27 PM
Be prepared for the gun to NOT go into battery every other magazine or so. This has happened to me with both gunsPicked up one (of the last) pre-Pro Milleniums in .45, looked interesting, felt good in the hand, was very inexpensive.

In the past couple/three years, this pistol has never once malfunctioned. Strange looonnnng sproing-y trigger pull, but dead-on accurate once one masters the trigger. Nice, big dot easily picked-up sights. More'n a few thousand rounds down the pipe of this one, later picked up a PT-145 Mil-Pro which is only slightly different cosmetically (no drastic cut-outs on the slide for the controls), improved trigger pull, no problems with a few hundred rounds through it.

I feel the PT-145s can be exceptional carry pieces and my experience indicates the model can be 100% reliable. Easily concealed, feels good in the hand, good sights, a serious caliber, more than adequate accuracy for its intended purpose ... what's not to like?

I do believe the 745 came out much later than the 145 and was not, in fact, its predecessor.

Should be noted that the firing pin channel needs to be kept clean, the recoil spring/guide rod reassembly requires attention to detail (yes, you can reassemble this pistol incorrectly) and you need to use the correct mags (there are different versions out there). All this can lead to malfunctions.

Standing by for the Taurus bashers to come forth.

Skip Taurus and go with the Sig. You will be much happierYep, that's great advice; tell someone to go out and spend 500 more bucks on one pistol and they'll be happier. We all love our SIGs, but come on, now. The SIG P-239 does feel better in the hand to me, is slimmer, has a much, much better trigger, is clearly a much higher quality pistol than the Taurus and is a great pistol in its own right, though comparing it to a PT-145 is comparing apples to oranges -- fewer rounds in a lesser caliber.

Okiecruffler
August 26, 2008, 02:36 PM
I've owned and carried both the 145 and the 745. Never had any problems with factory ammo, or reloaded ball and HP's. Neither cared much for my cast SWCers and required frequent thumb pushes to get them to go into battery. Had I not switched back to my 357 snubby (also a Taurus, or Tauri) I'd still be carrying my 745.

PhilA
August 26, 2008, 02:41 PM
My first pistol ever was a Taurus 24/7 Pro in .40. It's been wonderful since day one. No problems whatsoever.

My friend's first pistol ever was a Taurus PT-145. After slightly more than 100 rounds, the sear broke causing the gun to go full-auto to slide lock. She sent it back and got a full refund.

I read the forums before I bought mine, and was pleasantly surprised when the one I got was a good performer. So based on mine, I recommended hers. She, unfortunately, got a lemon like some of the ones you read about.

So bottom line is, I'm not sure what to tell you other than get what feels right and hope you get one of the guns they made well that particular day.

torpid
August 26, 2008, 02:49 PM
I had a very nice Sig .40 P229, but went over to the .45 Mil Pro.

I currently have two PT145s (2nd and 3rd generation) that have had no issues over many, many rounds. They eat any ammo they're fed, have nice ergonomics, and hold 10+1 rounds of .45ACP.
I love 'em!

BUT, having said that... your mileage with Taurus quality control may vary greatly. According to many owner accounts, it's up in the air whether you get a great little gun or a lemon.

Also Taurus customer service reputation certainly doesn't give me any warm fuzzies.

So if you do get one that works well, it's a great little pistol!

XDKingslayer
August 26, 2008, 03:06 PM
They're known for puking out their guide rods and all Millenium Pro's are plauged with horrible triggers with a take up a mile long and a safety that doesn't work properly.

On top of that you have Taurus' well documented poor quality control and terrible customer service.

The Sig is light years ahead of the Taurus quality-wise.

Nimble1
August 26, 2008, 03:53 PM
XDKingslayer's comment about the safety not working properly is incorrect. If the trigger is pulled back while you apply the safety, it does not set and the manual addresses this. And why would you have your finger on the trigger when you put the safety on anyway?
I recently purchased a used 2nd Gen PT145 and it works like a charm. The long trigger pull takes some getting used to but since I have never used any of the DAO pistols before, I have nothing to judge it by. I have been very pleased with the accuracy also once I got used to it.
As to the customer service, I have read good and bad from Taurus but I have also read the same from other manufacturers. Overall, I have been pleased and carry it daily.

CHEVELLE427
August 26, 2008, 07:42 PM
my first carry gun was a
PT145 Mil-Pro ,
never had a days trouble out of it ate all i feed it, mostly reloads.
lots and lots of reloads .
would still have it but wanted a
PT1911 more.
and NOW i carry AN XDSC40 OR THE 45ACP

Hypnogator
August 26, 2008, 08:46 PM
My current main carry piece is a 2d Gen stainless PT-145 Millennium Pro. Had a few stoppages in the first few magazines (failure to go fully to battery -- had to push slide forward), but after applying some Brian Enos' Slide Glide, and a couple of hundred rounds, it's 100% reliable with any rounds I've put through it, including Hydra-Shoks, Federal Tactical Bonded, Federal EFMJ, and Taurus Hex bullets.

The only issues I've had with mine were the front sight loosening (a little Threadlocker Blue on the front sight screw fixed that) and the plastic piece that covers the rear of the striker on the slide flying out (cosmetic only).

I'm looking to replace it with my new Kahr PM-45, but won't until the Kahr proves reliable (which it isn't at 150+ rds), but only because it's too long & heavy to carry in a "pager pal" type holster under my slacks.

FWIW, I don't care for the long double-action trigger pull, although it's smooth, and I can shoot it very accurately. Just tiring after qualifying with 50 rds. I will replace it for conventional concealed carry with the new, slightly larger, Taurus PT-845 which is external hammer, and conventional double-action.

XDKingslayer
August 27, 2008, 11:23 AM
XDKingslayer's comment about the safety not working properly is incorrect. If the trigger is pulled back while you apply the safety, it does not set and the manual addresses this.

So instead of fixing the gun they fixed the manual.

Another negative mark for Taurus.

And why would you have your finger on the trigger when you put the safety on anyway?


If you get gunk built up under the trigger inside the frame it will do the same thing.

The concern isn't a finger on the trigger while engaging the safety it's the safety not working properly, which it clearly doesn't.

Nimble1
August 27, 2008, 03:29 PM
XDKingslayer , its rather obvious that you have an axe to grind with Taurus and nothing anyone says will change your mind, so we will just have to agree to disagree.

Papaster
August 27, 2008, 03:49 PM
I have a third-gen PT-145 Pro which I carry pretty much daily, and while I don't have the P239, I do have a P6. I enjoy shooting the Sig more than the Taurus, but for a myriad of reasons, the Taurus is the one I carry. (Occasionally I'll carry my M85 or the Sig). The PT-145 had a rough break-in period, but most of that was my poor grip. The gun kicks pretty hard; there's a great deal of muzzle flip if you're not hanging on, and if your grip is off, it's easy to depress the magazine catch and drop it partially out of position while firing. Several people with small hands & weaker grips than mine had frequent failure to return to full battery, but most are fixed by helping them adjust & tighten their grip. This is a pistol you'll have to learn to shoot well. The Sig comes more naturally, at least to me, but I am proficient with my Taurus now, and it is 100% reliable to me (now that my grip no longer pushes the magazine catch, or thumb rides the slide). I trust my life completely to it, and bang for the buck it's pretty unbeatable, IMO.

Dr_2_B
August 27, 2008, 10:40 PM
Mine's been flawless. My buddy's with a consecutive serial number has given him fits. I love mine but I realize they have QC issues.

tinygnat219
August 28, 2008, 10:20 PM
For me, the gun has to work out of the box after I have cleaned it of shipping gunk and re-oiled it properly. None of my 7 Tauruses have been able to work out of the box. There's always some kind of silly break in period where they break. I guess it's truth in advertising.

weregunner
August 29, 2008, 01:26 PM
Same here as for one other member here. Have the SIG P6. Excellent gun.

However there is the Taurus PT145 to consider here. Do not own one, but do have a Taurus PT111 Mil/pro and am a 9mm. ammo kind of guy.

Like the .45 ACP anyway. It's an excellent cartridge. Own a Ruger P97DC in .45 ACP.

Here's the scoop on the PT145.
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=8921.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=8451.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=8543.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=6849.0

XDKingslayer
August 29, 2008, 09:33 PM
XDKingslayer , its rather obvious that you have an axe to grind with Taurus and nothing anyone says will change your mind, so we will just have to agree to disagree.

When it comes to the safety I don't have an axe to grind. It's well documented.

Now, the lack of quality control and horrible service I have an axe to grind with.

rocinante
September 2, 2008, 12:33 PM
WHATEVER. I have a PT145 and love it. Folks will drudge up past sins and past models that have nothing to do with the latest model. 10+1 of 45 in its form factor is fantastic. So far it goes bang and comes as close as I can to what I point it at.

Go gamble your 300 bucks on PT-145. Glad I did. Not a fool wager as these goobers will try to convince you it is.

wally
September 2, 2008, 01:42 PM
Taurus has fixed the 24/7 safety issue with the new OSS models.

IMHO they are getting horrible legal advice to not have a recall to address this issue. Its just a matter of time before some idiot shoots somebody with the safety on and sues.

Given the situation of the lawsuit that put Jennings out of business Taurus should expect to loose. Even I as a gun lover think that any gun that fires when the safety is on is clearly defective! One might be a fluke, stuff breaks, but if they all do it its an irresponsible design defect. Changing the manual's wording proves they knew about it and chose to ignore it!

The Jennings issue was the idiot was taking the gun apart with a round in the chamber and it went off. The manual clearly states to make sure the gun is unloaded before taking it apart and Jennings still lost the lawsuit despite this.

--wally.

DawgFvr
September 2, 2008, 04:35 PM
My 2nd generation Millennium Pro PT145 is one fine .45 ACP.

worked out of the box for me...no problems whatsoever. I loved the fact that it is a true DAO. I don't have any issue with safety...a safety is redundant in the 2nd generation model as it is a true DAO.

jasonguerard
September 2, 2008, 10:57 PM
Love my PT145.
Gen 3 has the SA/DA trigger. Much smoother with re-stike capability.

weregunner
September 3, 2008, 06:39 PM
Is member KF even in the neighborhood?

It's been a few days and usually the query starter chimes in by now.

bensdad
September 3, 2008, 06:53 PM
I have that gun surrounded. I have the PT745 and the PT140. Both are wonderful. Both are flawless. The 745 had some failures on my first batch of reloads. These were my fault. No problems before or since. The 140 only has a couple hundred rounds through it, but she seems to work so far. Both are small. Both are comfortable. Both are accurate. Both are reliable. Both were about $300 new.

To say I am impressed with Taurus' quality and price is an understatement. I've heard (read) others complain about: A) service work and B) spotty quality control. I have no experience with either from Taurus. The two I have are fabulous guns for an awsome price.

KF
September 5, 2008, 11:37 PM
been out of town on business....
it seems that the new 3 gen pt 145 is solid. I will miss my sig, but I am going to give the little 45 a try.
I;ll keep you posted...

be safe.

weregunner
September 6, 2008, 04:20 AM
And here we were about send out the St.Bernards in search of you. Looks like you missed the virtual bandy they were carrying. LOL

If you need assistance with anything about the PT145 any of the responders here who actually have the PT145 would be more than willing to be of assistance. I can bring the PT145 ammo links up if you so desire. PM me if you want them.

Just be warned that the number or links and info is huge and will take some time to go through.

http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=6716.0

This might be of some use though there's a lot to go through with that link as well.

You might well know most of it, but compact pistols are a world unto themselves.

tinygnat219
September 6, 2008, 11:19 AM
Old Dog,

Picked up one (of the last) pre-Pro Milleniums in .45, looked interesting, felt good in the hand, was very inexpensive.

Totally Agree. However, Form didn't follow Function with this gun. It simply failed in a spectacular way. My PT 145 in SS was a 3rd Generation.

In the past couple/three years, this pistol has never once malfunctioned. Strange looonnnng sproing-y trigger pull, but dead-on accurate once one masters the trigger. Nice, big dot easily picked-up sights.
Mostly Agree. Again, mine malfed bigtime. My PT 145's trigger was clean and crisp. More of a SA on the first pull, longer pull on the DA side. Strange concept, but neat. Sights were "ok" as I don't care for the Heinie Sights but they worked.

More'n a few thousand rounds down the pipe of this one, later picked up a PT-145 Mil-Pro which is only slightly different cosmetically (no drastic cut-outs on the slide for the controls), improved trigger pull, no problems with a few hundred rounds through it.

Mine had less than 200 rounds through it when the Guide Rod / Spring thingy started poking out the bottom from underneath the barrel.

I feel the PT-145s can be exceptional carry pieces and my experience indicates the model can be 100% reliable. Easily concealed, feels good in the hand, good sights, a serious caliber, more than adequate accuracy for its intended purpose ... what's not to like?
You came up with the reasons why I wanted this gun. Mine was all this, EXCEPT for the reliability. This was Taurus product #7 for me and my disgust for the lack of quality in their products finally made me mad enough to have a firesale on them.

I do believe the 745 came out much later than the 145 and was not, in fact, its predecessor.
I think you have it the other way around. The 2nd Gen 745 I bought was DAO and had come out years before the 3rd Gen 145. Again, different guns, but same style. My 745 was a single stack .45 with the DAO trigger. The PT 145 had the SA/DA trigger and was a double stack. It also had a slightly longer grip if I remember correctly.

Should be noted that the firing pin channel needs to be kept clean, the recoil spring/guide rod reassembly requires attention to detail (yes, you can reassemble this pistol incorrectly)

Gun was meticulously cleaned and reassembled correctly after every range session. I am not one of these types that likes to abuse their tools. As one of my old shopteachers said: "Take care of your tools and they will take care of you." I even clean my Glock and AK-47 after a range session as I am not going to be the reason the tools fail because of lack of maintenance.

and you need to use the correct mags (there are different versions out there). All this can lead to malfunctions.
Never had any success finding aftermarket Taurus mags, so I had to buy straight from the manufacturer. All mags used were the correct ones.

Quote:
Skip Taurus and go with the Sig. You will be much happier

Yep, that's great advice; tell someone to go out and spend 500 more bucks on one pistol and they'll be happier. We all love our SIGs, but come on, now. The SIG P-239 does feel better in the hand to me, is slimmer, has a much, much better trigger, is clearly a much higher quality pistol than the Taurus and is a great pistol in its own right, though comparing it to a PT-145 is comparing apples to oranges -- fewer rounds in a lesser caliber.
Thank you. You made my argument for me. Besides, the OP asked for an "apples to oranges" comparison on opinions regarding both platforms. I stand by my original statement of "don't buy the Taurus", and I am glad you agree.

Cayoot
September 6, 2008, 09:40 PM
I have had one for about a year now. It had some feeding issues at first, but after a couple hundred rounds, they went away as long as I keep it clean.

My preferred SD load is a 255 grn SWC loaded heavy. The 145 Pro will feed the SWCs as long as I don't put more than 7 rounds in the mag. If I want to load 10 rds, those first 3 rounds have to be of the jacketed variety.

jake3501
September 7, 2008, 08:00 PM
I've owned a 2nd Gen PT145 DAO for three years, over 1,000 rounds, not a burp, hiccup one, I love this pistol, never leave home without it.

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