You should get a CHL because...


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Arrogant Bastard
August 26, 2008, 01:59 PM
I am trying to come up with a list of reasons to give friends who are sitting on the fence with respect to getting a CHL -- I want to make it inclusive of people who don't currently own a gun, and have no immediate plans to get one, but don't have any kind of moral or ethical problem with it.

Reason #1 I have now:

You don't know when you'll get a crazy stalker, and you don't want to find out THEN it'll take nearly 6 months to get your CHL from the day you take the class.

Help me come up with other reasons, please?

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cerberus65
August 26, 2008, 02:06 PM
Unexercised rights tend to disappear.

JesseL
August 26, 2008, 02:07 PM
Reason #2:

Waiting around for your NICS to come back clean sucks.

Reason #3:

Laws about how you can carry a firearm in your vehicle can be vague in some states and a CCW can save you some worrying.

JesseL
August 26, 2008, 02:08 PM
Unexercised rights tend to disappear.


If a concealed weapons permit is a right, I'd hate to see the hoops you have to jump trough for privileges.

(I believe everyone does have the right to carry a weapon however they like without a permission slip, but the people in charge tend to disagree)

cerberus65
August 26, 2008, 02:21 PM
The state I live in has no open carry. Without concealed carry I'm pretty much limited to having a gun in the car and/or the house. Doesn't do much good if I get mugged on the way back to the car. So, yes, a right. The right to keep and bear arms.

The hoops are definitely an annoyance.

wideym
August 26, 2008, 02:24 PM
All the cool kids are getting them, and don't forget ARs, the really cool kids are getting those too.

mr.72
August 26, 2008, 02:28 PM
because by getting a CHL you are voting in favor of collecting a tax and requiring a license to exercise your rights.

because by not getting a CHL you are voting against the rights of regular citizens to be able to defend themselves.

hmm sounds like heads we lose, tails they win.

El Hombre
August 26, 2008, 02:35 PM
Having the CHL and actually carrying are two different issues. I think if you are in favor of CHL you should get one, wheither you choose to carry or not. It helps show support for CHL. If we don't exercise these options, they can disappear.
I have also argued the point with others that are shooters, but don't carry, that if they are ever pulled over by law enforcement on their way "to or from" the shooting range, if they have their CHL, there is no question as to "Why they have a gun in their vehicle." (Yes, I know they already have a legal right to have the gun, but the CHL stops the discussion before it is started.)

zoom6zoom
August 26, 2008, 03:22 PM
A good reason to get one? In many states that issue, like here in VIrginia, the number of people applying is going up significantly every year. Yes, your legislators DO notice those numbers.

From one of the local papers:
Gun Permits On The Rise

In 2007, the number of concealed-weapon permits issued jumped roughly 60 percent from the previous year in Virginia. And statistics for the first six months of 2008, show that most jurisdictions are on pace to surpass those numbers.

Most counties will double, and in some cases, triple the number of permits they issued two years ago.

In Rockingham County, 279 permits were issued in 2006, compared to 556 issued last year - a 93 percent increase. Through this June, the county issued 427, setting the pace for a 206 percent increase when compared to two years ago and a 53 percent increase from 2007.

Shenandoah and Page counties are seeing similar spikes, while Augusta County is one of the few counties statewide on pace to see a drop in new permit requests.

Rockingham County Circuit Court Clerk Chaz Evans-Haywood said after the first two months this year, and based on last year's numbers, he shifted the responsibilities of the deputy clerks so they could handle double 2007's caseload.

He's not shocked, however, by the increase.

"It doesn't surprise me that individuals want to assure that they have the right to carry a weapon concealed for their safety," said Evans-Haywood.

Court clerks are reporting similar increases throughout the state, including many of the larger cities and counties.

Chesterfield, Fairfax, Loudoun and Prince William counties are all on pace to break records, according to local statistics. In Fairfax County, 1,501 have been issued in the first six months of 2008; last year, 2,201 were issued; and, in 2006, 1,449.

Norfolk and Virginia Beach are reporting similar numbers.

Link for above story (http://www.dnronline.com/news_details.php?AID=30865&CHID=1)

Deanimator
August 26, 2008, 03:49 PM
1. Police have no duty to protect you as an individual.
2. Police have no liability if they don't protect you as an individual.
3. Police have almost no ability to protect you as an individual.

Protect yourself or don't get protected at all.

nicki
August 26, 2008, 06:32 PM
1. So that in bad times like natural disasters, police strikes, civil breakdown that you will be able to protect yourself and family.

2. It lets officials know that this is a right people take seriously.

3. If you get stopped at a traffic stop, most cops will know that if you turn up as a ccw holder, that they are safe. Can't do anything about anti gun cops, but most cops by now are realizing that the CCW holder shooting cops is propaganda. May even save you a ticket if you are nice.

4. Build up your confidence. Of course you should always avoid confrontation, but carrying a gun changes your body language from I'm a victim to don't **** with me. Bad guys read that and usually find other targets.

5. If you are ever involved in a shooting, you have a documented record that you took some type of training.

Nicki

SCKimberFan
August 26, 2008, 07:34 PM
Because you can.

Rokyudai
August 26, 2008, 07:46 PM
It takes less time for a criminal to make the decision to commit unspeakable acts of human aggression than for most law abiding to come up with a response to protect themselves. Actions speak louder than words.

JDoe
August 26, 2008, 08:06 PM
When seconds count, the police are minutes away.
The average violent crime is over in 20 seconds. The average police response time is 8 minutes.

COMPNOR
August 26, 2008, 08:08 PM
Not to put a downer on this thread, but as I'm a "fence sitter" who can apply but at the moment doesn't intend to...

Answers like this really get me:


Protect yourself or don't get protected at all.


So because I don't carry a gun I'm not protecting myself?


Build up your confidence. Of course you should always avoid confrontation, but carrying a gun changes your body language from I'm a victim to don't **** with me. Bad guys read that and usually find other targets.


So because I don't carry my body language automatically makes me a victim? I sure don't consider myself a victim. I recognize that anything can happen at any time, but I'm no more a victim then someone else. Not to mention if carrying a gun makes me feel like a badass, can't that make me do stupid things?

And finally...


have also argued the point with others that are shooters, but don't carry, that if they are ever pulled over by law enforcement on their way "to or from" the shooting range, if they have their CHL, there is no question as to "Why they have a gun in their vehicle."


If I have a Concealed Handgun License, how does that save me from carrying a Rifle? Just curious, but I would think a CHL would say its ok to have pistols, but not that tacticool evil rifle sitting on the backseat.

Obviously rules and regs vary by state, so people are speaking from their own experience with their states. But I have yet to really see any solid reasons why I should be concerned with getting my CCW.

Rokyudai
August 26, 2008, 08:46 PM
So... with every reason or statement listed, consider that not every one of them is designed to hit every audience (different strokes). Having several to choose from will hopefully help Arrogant engage his friends in a good conversation. I will also take a risk and say that he is not going to drop this list in their laps and say, "here". Mentioning some of them within a conversation with the right people could yield progress.

belus
August 26, 2008, 10:20 PM
Reason #3:
Laws about how you can carry a firearm in your vehicle can be vague in some states and a CCW can save you some worrying.That was my main reason.

Felt a tinge uneasy knowing my prints were on their way to the FBI though.

JackBurtonJr
August 26, 2008, 10:33 PM
Pisses Obama off big time...

gbran
August 26, 2008, 10:45 PM
I remember the story recently of a 60+ year old surfer who was killed by a great white shark off the coast of CA. This type of attack is rare here, but not unheard of. This surfer weighed this risk, but probably felt safe because it was so rare. On that day, however, the odds caught up with him.

Too many people don't feel the need for self defense abilities because they rarely travel out of their safety zones. Not many crimes in the better parts of town, but not rare either. Don't let the odds catch up with you just because you think the odds low enough to be beat every day.

Rmart30
August 26, 2008, 10:47 PM
Unexercised rights tend to disappear.

+ 1 on that ! and lets not forget there is strength in numbers.

Greg.B
August 26, 2008, 10:52 PM
Because it's too difficult to carry a cop around on your hip...


Seriously, because it's our RKBA, but unfortunately, some states have limited that right through permits and liscenses. Exercise it the best you can.

Jdude
August 26, 2008, 11:22 PM
I personally prefer open carry. I have a problem with 'asking permission'. That said, I wouldn't stop someone from getting a CWP. I often recommend them to new shooters. Here are my primary reasons.

1 You learn how to shoot, often better than I can teach you.
2 You learn about the laws involved in the use of force.
3 Should you choose to carry your firearm, you can keep it hidden and nobody will know.
4 You join and carry on an American tradition.
5 I need someone else to buy my ammo, and you look rich. ;)

velobard
August 26, 2008, 11:36 PM
Point them toward some of the Armed Citizen columns from the NRA magazines. There are also a bunch online if you google that as a search term.

razorback2003
August 26, 2008, 11:37 PM
It is a hassle in some states to have a loaded handgun in a car without a license/permit. In TN we cannot have a loaded handgun for protection in a car unless you have the permit. A permit is cheaper than paying to try to get your car gun back, going to court, and the time spent with the legal hassles.

22-rimfire
August 26, 2008, 11:45 PM
I also am not one to ask permission for concealed or open carry. That said, the comment above is the dominant reason I have a HCP in Tennessee.
It is a hassle in some states to have a loaded handgun in a car without a license/permit. In TN we cannot have a loaded handgun for protection in a car unless you have the permit. A permit is cheaper than paying to try to get your car gun back, going to court, and the time spent with the legal hassles.

It is worse than that actually. I'm no lawyer, but if you were caught with a loaded handgun in a car in TN (without a permit) I understand you would loose your firearm rights as well as spend a lot of money defending an indefensiveble choice when the HCP is available.

Dookie
August 26, 2008, 11:45 PM
I remember the story recently of a 60+ year old surfer who was killed by a great white shark off the coast of CA. This type of attack is rare here, but not unheard of. This surfer weighed this risk, but probably felt safe because it was so rare. On that day, however, the odds caught up with him.And if only he had been carrying his Kimber 1911 he would have been alright. Makes about as much sense as a turd sandwich.

Using that logic I should never cross a street because someone might not stop at the red light, never go to Red Robin because the burger might be under cooked and I might say hi to lunch all over, not go to work because the table saw might kick back and put a piece of oak through my neck.
I am not going to live my life if fear and paranoia just because the so small chance that I might get injured.

I have a CCP for the sole purpose to carry in my car, I have no desire to pack. Because wearing gets in the way of having fun.

hopelessjoe
August 27, 2008, 12:17 AM
I have a CCP for the sole purpose to carry in my car, I have no desire to pack. Because wearing gets in the way of having fun.

And not wearing interferes with my fun. Packing gives me a piece of mind like no other.

When I was a boy I carried a knife everywhere I could. It gave me a perception of being able to fight off those that might seek to harm me. I knew I could slash and stab my aggressors so that I might cut and run.

Now I am packing ballistics with that (uber sharp, high dollar) blade and I don't feel as though I am immune from death, but I know that I have a screaming hope in hell of getting out with me and my kid's hind ends in one piece.

Leave your gun in the car. You will most likely find that when you need it you will have left if behind. And I promise not to help you since you have made the choice not help your fellow man by disarming at the door.

Like Grandma told me..."Better to have it and not need it then to need it and not have it".

Prince Yamato
August 27, 2008, 12:25 AM
You should get a CHL because...

it's more American than any bumper sticker you'll put on your car.

Armueller2001
August 27, 2008, 12:44 AM
I have yet to really see any solid reasons why I should be concerned with getting my CCW.

Hmm... because protecting yourself, your property, and your family doesn't end at the end of your driveway.

Because a cop is too heavy.

Because you can't throw rocks at 1300 fps.

Silverhair
August 27, 2008, 12:46 AM
It's like insurance. When you need the policy, it is too late to buy coverage. When you need a gun, it is too late to start the paperwork.

Sylvan-Forge
August 27, 2008, 01:15 AM
Because the police are minutes away.

Oops, missed JDoe's:
When seconds count, the police are minutes away.
The average violent crime is over in 20 seconds. The average police response time is 8 minutes.

.

JackW
August 27, 2008, 01:41 AM
Because when you have a CCW you become added to the statistics that show how many people believe in being able to carry lawfully.

These are real numbers that will be noticed by the politicians when they are considering further infringing on our rights. If the CCW numbers show that a large number of people (not necessarily a majority - but a significant number) in the politician's district are CCW license holders, they may think twice before doing something stupid.

Hope that makes sense, I don't write as well as I would like.

COMPNOR
August 27, 2008, 08:10 AM
Hmm... because protecting yourself, your property, and your family doesn't end at the end of your driveway.


You're right. It doesn't. Of course, since when do I need a CHL to carry in my own home?

Happiness Is A Warm Gun
August 27, 2008, 08:20 AM
70% of all violent crime occurs outside of the home.
Would you only wear your seatbelt 30% of the time.
Would you buy life insurance that only covers you every 3rd day?
Would you buy a smoke detector that only works on Mondays & Thursdays?

emb
August 27, 2008, 08:36 AM
I got a CCW for several reasons.

1. I used to keep a pistol in the truck all the time. I got lazy and quit taking it out. Then it was stolen out of the truck while in my driveway. Now it comes in and out with me.

2. We had an incident with some local drug enforcement police where they were planting evidence and making up charges (this really happened). I was involved with one of the one major informants. During the investigation, these guys were taken off the drug task team and made road deputies. They also had a lot of friends that thought what they were doing was ok. If they stopped me, where were they going to say the gun was found-my glovebox? The CCW takes that away from them.

3. The crime and gang activity around here is skyrocketing in many of the areas I frequent-where I have to go or be-no choice. It is spreading to outlying areas as well. I no longer feel safe or secure. I had experienced too many incidents over the last year or so that really got my attention.

4. I have had several recent incidents that confirm my decision to carry. I had someone try to get into my truck while at a stop light-11:00 a.m. on Christmas Eve. I didn't use a firearm in that incident. I don't pull up right behind the car in front of me. There was no one in the inside lane. So I simply drove away. Another happened in my parking lot. I change clothes after work for the gym. I put my pistol in the pocket of the gym bag that is over my shoulder. As I approached my truck, a rather rough looking man stopped at the stop light saw me and pulled into my lot in front of me blocking me from my truck. He rolled down the passenger window like he was just going to ask an innocent question. But, I kept my distance and put my hand into the pocket of the gym bag on my pistol. I realized that that move got the man's immediate attention. The question suddenly changed to where he could find the police station. I don't know what the man's true intent was and don't care. Robberies that that are happening around here on a regular basis.

In fairness, when I got my CCW permit and started carrying, I instantly realized that I needed some training. I already had training in various self defense and martial arts over the years, but pull a gun and it's a whole new ball game. You'd better be right.

The training helped be become more aware of my surroundings at all times and avoidance of bad situations is the key. Carrying a gun does not and did not make me feel like a bad ***. It actually had the opposite effect. No sane or right minded person wants to or goes toe to toe if there is a choice to do something else. Further, there are serious legal and personal consequences of using a firearm in any situation.

My job is easy. I just have to get away. I've been able to do that very well over the years without a gun, but times are changing and I'm getting older. My gun is just another tool that I can use if necessary.

Just my .02.

GVMan
August 27, 2008, 08:37 AM
A CPL (in my state it is a concealed pistols license) is useful for easier car transport to the range that doesn't require unloading the gun, locking it in the trunk, and keeping the ammo separate. Just put the range bag in the car and go.

A CPL is great to have when hiking or camping or in any remote area where the police are at least 45 minutes away after you drive for 30 minutes to get to a phone or to cell phone coverage. Most of the people I know would find it reasonable to want personal and family protection in this scenario.

I good reason to carry Initially after getting a CPL would be to find the right method of carry and holster so that when or if they do decide to carry more often they are comfortable and prepared to do so.

Of course, once they start this process it can become the norm.

Of course, that operation could last quit some time.

Aka Zero
August 27, 2008, 08:40 AM
One reason everyone should have a gun and ccw.

Because no matter how scared of guns you are, you feel a whole lot safer when you have that scary gun on your side.

jackstinson
August 27, 2008, 10:48 AM
I got my CHL in order to legally carry a concealed handgun....period.

Vern Humphrey
August 27, 2008, 10:58 AM
In Viet Nam, Armed Forces Viet Nam Radio had some clever commercials (for things like "take your atabrine pill" and so on.) Among the cleverest were ads for the in-country R&R center at Vung Tau. The had several commercials that explained what was there, how to put in for in-country R&R, how to get there, and so on.

All those commercials ended with the same three words, "bring your weapon."

Good advice. I've followed it ever since.

Rugerlvr
August 27, 2008, 11:03 AM
Because Chuck Norris doesn't fit inside my waistband.

MT GUNNY
August 27, 2008, 03:42 PM
Better to have it and not need it , than to need it and not have it!

OOOXOOO
August 27, 2008, 04:16 PM
The more people that have a license the less likley it will be to repeal concealed carry laws.

Vern Humphrey
August 27, 2008, 04:31 PM
The last thing we want is for some anti-gunner to say, "No one cares about bearing arms" and prove it by showing no one has applied for a CHL.

aimy
August 27, 2008, 04:52 PM
I won't buy one, I had one when living in Alaska and they didn't give refunds!
Here in Texas they won't accept out of state NRA training certificates and the card costs too much. It mostly means you have to inform that you have a gun if you get pulled over with a gun that should stay concealed.
I would consider getting one just to support the numbers in Texas, but some things need to be changed first.

Arrogant Bastard
August 27, 2008, 04:58 PM
Not to mention if carrying a gun makes me feel like a badass, can't that make me do stupid things?

I agree. If carrying a gun encourages you toward more risk-seeking behavior, perhaps you should re-evaluate just why you're carrying, to begin with.

I have only just recieved my CHL, but I've been able to carry in my car before that. My personal observation has been that its presense caused me to be, in fact, less risk-seeking.

Rugerlvr
August 27, 2008, 05:05 PM
I've got one.

Because a laptop is a poor substitute for a gun. (In light of the campus self-defense thread.)

Vern Humphrey
August 27, 2008, 05:07 PM
My personal observation has been that its presense caused me to be, in fact, less risk-seeking.
That's an almost universal experience -- most people report carrying makes them more aware of their responsibilities, and less likely to get into trouble.

ditch_dgr
August 27, 2008, 05:26 PM
In addition to the obivious (so I can carry my gun), my state has a 1 handgun per month purchasing rule. If I have my permit the rule doesn't apply.

Vern Humphrey
August 27, 2008, 05:30 PM
I like the one gun a month rule. My wife complains that I have too many guns, but I tell her I have to buy them -- it's the law.:D

jakemccoy
August 27, 2008, 05:39 PM
Criminals For Gun Control Part 2 - Carjacking
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCezcAHXxRY

Criminals For Gun Control Part 1 - Home Invasion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2FwZVN3WiQ

cambeul41
August 27, 2008, 05:46 PM
COMPNOR says,

Not to put a downer on this thread, but as I'm a "fence sitter" who can apply but at the moment doesn't intend to...

But COMPNOR might someday have a reason so get off the fence and join us --- by then it might be too late to go through the process.

My wife and I got our CCWs "just in case." We did not even do any serious gun shopping before she was assaulted. Now we carry when and where legal.

COMPNOR, I wish you well. I hope you never have a need.

JoeShmoe
August 27, 2008, 06:20 PM
I am a firm believer in concealed carry, and I carry whenever and wherever I can. That said, I don't believe you should try to convince "fence-sitters" to get their CHL. Learning to shoot a handgun proficiently, and carry competently, is a commitment that many people would not be willing to make. If someone does it having been convinced, they may not make the necessary commitment. I would be very willing to explain to someone why I carry, but I would be reluctant to tell them that they should carry. It's kinda like telling someone that they should have a child.

TallPine
August 27, 2008, 06:35 PM
because ... I have some money I don't need and I like jumping through government hoops :confused:

Dookie
August 28, 2008, 12:15 AM
Packing gives me a piece of mind like no other.
Sad, you are so scared to leave your house without carrying, if you are that worried then move to a compound, collect hundreds of firearms to use against any seen or unseen danger.
When I was a boy I carried a knife everywhere I could. It gave me a perception of being able to fight off those that might seek to harm me. I knew I could slash and stab my aggressors so that I might cut and run.Seriously, where did you grow up, South Central?
Leave your gun in the car. You will most likely find that when you need it you will have left if behind. And I promise not to help you since you have made the choice not help your fellow man by disarming at the doorSo, if I am in trouble you are going to ask me, before you help, 1: Do you have a firearm? 2: Did you leave it in your vehicle? Oh, you did, I am sorry, I can't help you.
If I come across someone who is getting a beat down or is in danger, my first reaction is not to question politics but to help that person. After all, the person you help might be an anti gunner who can get a new outlook on life, but I guess that is beyond you.

I don't know about anyone else, but I like to live my life. I actually go out doors and do things like play basketball, baseball, cliff diving, mountain biking, football. If ANYONE can tell me what to do with my pistol when I go and play a pickup game I would do it, because I have 3 choices,
wear it, at least no one will steal the ball from me
take it off and put it in my bag, oh, that will be safe :barf:
leave it in my car, but if I did that and I got into trouble then hopelessjoe would have to quiz me before he helped. Oh, and it might get stolen.

I live in a city where we do lots of out doors things, shorts and tee shirt fun. I apologize to anyone who believes I should live in fear and not be able to play basketball.

cambeul41
August 28, 2008, 06:40 AM
Gee, I thought the OP asked why one should get a CCW or whatever it is called where you come from. Not some other question.

I LIKE my carry gun. If I did not, I wouldn't carry it. For some reason I just can't work up enough fearfulness, not even in Detroit, for me to feel that I "need it" or I "have to have it."

I don't "need" my multi-tool either, but it is comforting to know that it is available.

Now, i admit that I carry a cell phone for emergencies only and not at all for socializing. In the dark recesses of my own head, I do mock those that carry a cell phone because they think they "need it to stay connected with their friends." Perhaps someone should blast me for my condescending attitude about that.

SCKimberFan
August 28, 2008, 07:07 AM
Dookie said:

I live in a city where we do lots of out doors things, shorts and tee shirt fun. I apologize to anyone who believes I should live in fear and not be able to play basketball.

Nobody said you have to live in fear. I don't. I carry because I can, but there are nut jobs out there. Stuff happens anytime, anywhere. I am prepared, but not scared. While life has no meaning to those who prey on others, it does to me. I have things to live for.

I wear shorts & t-shirts and still carry. OK, so I don't play basketball, but then I'm only 5"8" and can't hit the basket.

Old Guy
August 28, 2008, 07:27 AM
I live in a city where we do lots of out doors things, shorts and tee shirt fun. I apologize to anyone who believes I should live in fear and not be able to play basketball.

Funny thing about basket ball... some of the top team players live close to me, great guys... TALL guys.

Some of their friends sometimes have warrants out on them, it's hard to tell old friends not to drop by, maybe a basket ball court is not a place not to carry, yes!

Original question, original answer, I don't carry vehicle insurance because I WANT to get in a crash! Ditto on the Glock 19 and the one extra mag; plus a renewal CCW with 5 years to go, the insurance is good for 6 month's at a time , what a deal for CCW.

Intune
August 28, 2008, 08:58 AM
You should get a CHL because...
Fattens your wallet & makes you look flush.

Makes you practice your handwriting as you write another check.

Allows you to rub elbows with throngs of people from other countries at the DMV.

Never turn down an opportunity to have your picture taken.

Allows you to reassure yourself that your juvenile record really didn't follow you.

Gives the sheriff dept a number to reach you at during FOP fund raisers.

Provides your community the chance to see your name in print when the local rag discloses your private info.

You have another card to bend up when you lock yourself outta the house.

Your fingerprints are unique and you are rightfully proud to share them with the law enforcement world.

Reminds you to wear gloves during your other job as a burglar.

Looks cool when cutting up cocaine.

Allows you to walk a tightrope daily to keep from losing it.

New clothes!

Gets your creative juices flowing when faced with swim wear.

Gives an adrenaline burst to TSA agents when used as I.D. at security checkpoints. :evil:



And the #1 reason is that it gives you something to hand the officer who just asked you if you have a pistol in your pants and you AREN'T carrying! :D

Armueller2001
August 28, 2008, 01:32 PM
You're right. It doesn't. Of course, since when do I need a CHL to carry in my own home?

You never need a CHL to carry in your own home... my point was, that violent crime happens in public all the time, it is not just confined to your home.

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