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SCKimberFan
August 27, 2008, 06:00 AM
One more reason why you keep guns away from kids.

Beaver County child dies after finding, firing gun
Wednesday, August 27, 2008
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
A toddler from Beaver County died Monday after shooting himself in the head with a handgun during a visit to a campsite in Elk County.

Trey Rosenberger, 3, of Freedom, shot himself around 11 a.m. at a private campsite in Millstone, Elk County Coroner Louis Radkowski said. The boy was visiting the camp with his mother, whose name was not released, and family friends, Mr. Radkowski said.

Adults in the group had been using the gun for target shooting outdoors, Mr. Radkowski said. He said Trey picked up the loaded gun and fired it, wounding himself in the head, after someone left it on a chair inside a camp building.

The adults drove Trey to the Elk Regional Health Center in Ridgway, where he was pronounced dead. Mr. Radkowski said he was not sure who owns the camp or the gun.

State police were investigating and said last night they have not determined if charges will be filed.


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Eric F
August 27, 2008, 06:58 AM
thats great! I am certian that some one around here will scream out Negligent Discharge sooner or later. The only real negligence here is leaving a loaded gun laying around. I dont know the rules where this occured but I am certian there will be jail time for some one. Total discust is what I feel.

rbernie
August 27, 2008, 08:37 AM
Dang, that's sad. :(

I suspect that most everyone here is thinking, 'A loaded firearm is not to be left laying about uncontrolled!". And you'd be right. The adults in this story should have known better.

As a parent, I police up the area wherever my toddlers go. I betchya that mom wishes she'd done the same.

Halo
August 27, 2008, 09:14 AM
Not only was the gun left out, but it was loaded too. Really, how hard is it to check and clear a gun when you are finished shooting? This sort of thing should never happen, and if people would just follow the most basic rules, it wouldn't.

bogie
August 27, 2008, 09:22 AM
We already know the reasons for safety.

Just because it has "gun" in the subject matter doesn't mean that it's discussion material.

And this is a convenient site, thanks to the diligent clip gatherers, probably to the point where the Brady folks probably don't even hire a clipping service.

Happiness Is A Warm Gun
August 27, 2008, 09:28 AM
Antecdotes are really fun but show little.

Accidental firearm deaths are extremely low.
Accidental firearm deaths have been falling for last 10 years.

A child is substantially more likely to die from motor vehicles, suffocation, drowning, or fires than a firearm. The only reason stories like this make the news is because it is guns.

Banning pools and bathtubs would likely save 10x more children the banning guns.

The truth is "unintentional death" by firearms is very rare. There were on 788 accidental deaths by firearm in 2005 (last year stats are available). That is with about 350 million firearms in circulation.

Every year one gun out of 444,162 is involved in an accidental death.
99.99977% of firearms are handled safely.
0.00023% of firearms were involved in a accidental death.

http://webappa.cdc.gov/cgi-bin/broker.exe?_service=v8prod&_server=app-v-ehip-wisq.cdc.gov&_port=5081&_sessionid=rYMSEKIsK52&_program=replay&_entry=SAVE.TMPCAT.detl.GIF

#shooter
August 27, 2008, 09:45 AM
Kids or no kids, it is just stupid to leave guns lying around (loaded or not) especially in a unsecure location like a camp. I feel sorry for the child and the child’s family. It is a senseless tragedy that didn't have to happen.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
August 27, 2008, 09:49 AM
That is absurdly negligent. Some heads need to roll there (i.e. manslaughter charges to whomever last touched the gun and left it on the chair).

longdayjake
August 27, 2008, 12:04 PM
Having a young child, I almost cried thinking about how it must be to lose one to something so stupid. How many people are now just thinking "what if?" Not many things make me as mad as pedophiles, but sometimes pure stupidity will come close. Like in driving a car you can't really control what other people do around you, all you can do is try and drive safe. I hope this story inspires others to teach their children when young to be safe around guns. Don't always hide them from your kids and never let them handle them. Just because you can keep your guns out of their hands doesn't mean that someone else will do the same. Teach them to be safe with them and not to never touch them. My dad and I can remember when we were kids always getting into our dads' gun cabinet and touching and playing with them even though we had been told a thousand times not to go near them. Had someone taught us about them rather than to never touch them we would atleast have known that they were dangerous. Education saves a lot of grief in this world. Luck won't always be there for us.

Gairwyn
August 27, 2008, 01:01 PM
I think it's one more reason why you don't take your eyes off your child especially when your in an unfamiliar area. Yes you don't expect a gun to just be laying around but you as a parent and for the safety of your child should ask if there are guns present and if they are safe and secured. A little safety and a little responsibility would have saved this child's life.

Mr White
August 27, 2008, 01:12 PM
I hope that the law comes down like a ton of bricks on whoever left the gun accessible to the child. There's no excuse for a tragedy like this and there needs to be examples made to strongly discourage others from doing the same thing.

rondog
August 27, 2008, 02:10 PM
Campground? Target shooting? I'd betcha $20 there was alcohol involved. Probably lots of it.

damien
August 27, 2008, 02:18 PM
Banning pools and bathtubs would likely save 10x more children the banning guns.

Don't forget 5 gallon buckets. Those are very dangerous for toddlers. Too damn dangerous to be allowed in our civil society!

Arrogant Bastard
August 27, 2008, 02:40 PM
We already know the reasons for safety.

Just because it has "gun" in the subject matter doesn't mean that it's discussion material.

And this is a convenient site, thanks to the diligent clip gatherers, probably to the point where the Brady folks probably don't even hire a clipping service.

Bogie, respectfully, I must disagree.

Gun safety comes about, in my opinion, by having it drilled into your head, by being reminded of the senseless tragedies that occur when the rules are not diligently followed.

I would FAR rather an anti nut peruse this site and deliberately take my words out of context to portray me as a raving lunatic than refuse to publicise accidents and negligence. The news reports are already out there. We can learn from them, and I'd far rather somebody here become a more responsible gun owner by being reminded of the consequences of NOT being responsible, than refuse to educate out of fear the antis will sieze on our words to turn them against us.

burningsquirrels
August 27, 2008, 03:18 PM
complete negligence. i think negligence charges should be filed against whoever left it out.

SCKimberFan
August 27, 2008, 05:21 PM
Arrogant Bastard said:

Bogie, respectfully, I must disagree.

Gun safety comes about, in my opinion, by having it drilled into your head, by being reminded of the senseless tragedies that occur when the rules are not diligently followed.

I would FAR rather an anti nut peruse this site and deliberately take my words out of context to portray me as a raving lunatic than refuse to publicise accidents and negligence. The news reports are already out there. We can learn from them, and I'd far rather somebody here become a more responsible gun owner by being reminded of the consequences of NOT being responsible, than refuse to educate out of fear the antis will sieze on our words to turn them against us.

That was my reason for posting this in the first place. I don't think we can be reminded enough to be completely aware of what is happening around us at ALL times.

Thanks.

Beren
August 28, 2008, 09:20 AM
Update released with more details.

http://www.timesonline.com/articles/2008/08/27/news/doc48b5f351deb96429791957.txt

No charges yet in boy’s death
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By Cory Nealon, Times Staff
Published: Thursday, August 28, 2008 12:35 AM EDT
SPRING CREEK TWP. — The four adults present Monday when a 3-year-old Freedom boy accidentally shot and killed himself in Elk County are all from Beaver County.

State police at the Ridgway barracks, who on Wednesday had not filed charges against anyone, would not release their names.

“As serious as this matter is, I have to dot all my I’s and cross my T’s,” Cpl. Robert P. Cogley said, explaining that he is awaiting forensic test results.

Cogley issued a press release stating that the boy, Trey Rosenberger Gordon, spent the weekend with his mother and three adults at a camp off Swedetown Road in Spring Creek Township.

The mother was identified as Jessica A. Rosenberger of Monaca in the boy’s obituary in Wednesday’s Times.

The press release stated that around 11 a.m., Rosenberger and her companions were in the kitchen and dining room preparing breakfast. Trey walked into the living room, where a loaded .44-caliber Magnum revolver rested on top of a chair.

He climbed up the chair, grabbed the pistol and shot himself in the forehead, the press release said.

Rosenberger rushed the boy to Med Express, a hospital in nearby Ridgway. He was pronounced dead at 12:47 p.m.

An autopsy conducted Tuesday in Erie confirmed that the cause of death was a gunshot wound.

Cogley declined to say who owns the gun or what forensic evidence he is awaiting. He also declined to say whom he plans to further interview, another reason cited for the ongoing investigation.

In addition to his mother, Trey is survived by his father, David Gordon of Freedom.

Eric F
August 28, 2008, 09:44 AM
Thanks Beren for the update, Some folks have posted some real common sense thinking on this others well not so much. The simple truth is there was a small amount of carelessness that lead to a great big tragety. My thought is that all have suffered and where as aditional punishment needs to be handed out maybe we should all look at ourselves. Just yesterday I went home and cought my 2 year old ratting through my work bag(usually with gun in it) But like every other day I went streight to my safe and placed my gun inside and locked it. A similar accident could have happened if I just droped my bad and went first thing to the restroom when I walked in the door. Stories like this teach me what not to do. Learn from the misteaks of others...please.

scrat
August 28, 2008, 10:16 AM
and to think that someone wanted to sell me a pillow that could hold a gun. MMMMMMM

silentpoet
August 28, 2008, 12:39 PM
Would a 3 year old be able to pull a double action revolver trigger? I once went shooting with my nephew who had to be at least six and he had trouble with the double action trigger on my air pistol. So it looks to me this incident is where a cocked revolver was left out, or worse.

Eric F
August 28, 2008, 01:04 PM
Would a 3 year old be able to pull a double action revolver trigger? Some can some cant. I have witnessed a 2year old pull the trigger on a revolver before.......not beyond the realm of possibility here.

1911Tuner
August 28, 2008, 04:05 PM
Terrible. This is a perfect example of why anytime a gun is present within the scope of a child, the gun should either be unloaded or on the owner's belt...where he/she doesn't have to wonder whether or not the child has gained access to it.

In camp, long guns should be secured, and handguns carried. Children can find needles in haystacks, and...given enough time...can figure out how to fire just about any gun you care to name.

TeamPrecisionIT
August 28, 2008, 04:10 PM
That is absurdly negligent. Some heads need to roll there (i.e. manslaughter charges to whomever last touched the gun and left it on the chair).

So its not bad enough that they have to live with the guilt of doing this, now they need to face manslaughter charges?

Damian

TRGRHPY
August 28, 2008, 08:19 PM
Every adult that was there should be charged. This is not acceptable at all. It shows a complete lack of responsibility by everyone there, which caused the unfortunate death of a child. And I agree with whoever said that alcohol was probably involved.

rondog
August 28, 2008, 09:41 PM
Would a 3 year old be able to pull a double action revolver trigger?

True story-

A friend of mine was home "watching" his 2-yr. old son, by drinking beer and watching TV. His wife came home and said "what's your son doing". The boy had taken his car keys, opened the trunk of his '55 Chevy, got the jack out and set it up under the rear bumper, and was trying to jack up the car "just like Daddy" when Momma came home.

2-yrs. old! Never underestimate the little rascals. I get the willies thinking about the things I did with guns when I was muuuuuch younger. It's a wonder I never got killed (or put out an eye), but I did have to dig a BB out of my leg with a little screwdriver once. That was my lesson on muzzle control.

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