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ScottE
August 27, 2008, 07:35 PM
Last night I went into downtown Denver to check out what was happening with the DNC. Mostly a BUNCH of police with riot gear. Not many protesters or people causing trouble.

On our way back to the light rail station, the friend I was with and myself stopped at a restaurant for a beer. One of the security guards at the door noticed my pocket knife clipped to pocket and told me I could not enter with a weapon. Weapon? I said. He said NO knives allowed in the restaurant. I let the kid hold my knife while I was inside and just let the incident go. While inside, the kid security guard came to my table and said that he would be at the front door waiting for me so that he could return my knife.

When I left, there were four security guards at the door. I asked for my knife, which sparked a conversation about how cool the knife was (Spyderco) and how this policy was only for the DNC. Everyone was very polite and cordial, but acted like they had never seen a pocket knife before. I have never even considered my pocket knife to be dangerous to anyone except myself. Very strange experience considering where I live. Good thing I left my CCW at home.

Scott

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Tyris
August 27, 2008, 07:40 PM
Why is a good thing that you left your CCW at home?

How would the gestapo see it?
And do the restaurants in devner not have knives?

-T

Flintlock Tom
August 27, 2008, 07:45 PM
It makes me curious about what they thought you were going to do with it.
And since they were apparently not searching people, would it have been okay if it was all the way in your pocket?
More dumb nonsense rules.

RobNDenver
August 27, 2008, 07:50 PM
Sounds like you ran into some TSA Screeners on their second job. But seriously, if you have a CHL, why wouldn't you be carrying? I have been rethinking my knife selection because I don't want others to know that I am prepared with an edged weapon.

Bill2e
August 27, 2008, 07:52 PM
another reason to keep it in your pocket (and not use the clip)

BTW, I guess there were no knives in the resturaunt.

Zundfolge
August 27, 2008, 07:56 PM
This story would have been funnier if you'd have been packing ... leaving the knife with the door guy but walking in with your concealed handgun. :D

Security Theater at its finest.

divemedic
August 27, 2008, 08:10 PM
In Florida a pocketknife is not considered to be a weapon. Anyone know Colorado law?

Zundfolge
August 27, 2008, 08:11 PM
Has to be over 3.5" to be a weapon here.

Of course in this case we're talking about "company policy" not law.

shooting4life
August 27, 2008, 08:13 PM
It's not Colorado law that you have to worry about; it's turkey bacon law that can give your problems

Galen
August 27, 2008, 08:41 PM
I'm glad I don't have to go into downtown Denver for ANY reason this week. Just nuts.

rondog
August 27, 2008, 08:43 PM
Nah, we can't have steak knives here in Denver, we have to pick the meat up by hand and gnaw on it!

This Damned Nitwit Convention is really making things nuts around here, I work in downtown Denver.

I prefer to call it The Festival Of The Sheep. They're everywhere, hollering Oba-a-a-a-a-ma, Oba-a-a-a-ma.

jakemccoy
August 27, 2008, 08:44 PM
That atmosphere seems like precisely the place a gun owner would want to be using their CHL.

SomeKid
August 27, 2008, 08:45 PM
Was it a private security guard, or a cop who made you give up the knife?

Puppy
August 27, 2008, 09:17 PM
I would have just taken my business elsewhere.

What sort of resturant has security officers screening people at the front door anyway? was there entertainment in the resturant? entertainment like topless dancers or something?

ScottE
August 27, 2008, 09:20 PM
The reason I was not packing was because of all the police activity in the area, and the fact that I pretty much knew I was going to stop at a bar (not illegal in CO). Watching the news, there seems to be a great need for police to arrest as many people as they can, and I was not looking for trouble. Besides, I'm 6'8", 290 lbs. and not necessarily worried about being beaten up by some street thugs.

Had I known that I would be singled out by a minimum wage security guard for carring a pocket knife, I would have put it in my pocket instead of using the clip. The thought of having my knife taken never occured to me. Had I been CCW'ing, I would have just given them the satisfaction of being the hero for finding the knife and had a good laugh afterwords.

Scott

Tyris
August 27, 2008, 09:45 PM
Besides, I'm 6'8", 290 lbs. and not necessarily worried about being beaten up by some street thugs.

Your large size does not make you immune to a shank in the gut or an mugging by 2 attackers.

-T

WinchesterAA
August 27, 2008, 09:47 PM
I'm confused.. Why are the people North of me so nutty? I mean, I thought Texas was bad with it's BS laws, but ya'll have some genuine crazy going on...

MachIVshooter
August 27, 2008, 09:52 PM
I'm confused.. Why are the people North of me so nutty? I mean, I thought Texas was bad with it's BS laws, but ya'll have some genuine crazy going on...

Denver is it's own little world, and not in sync with the rest of the state. You'll find that people living outside the metro area have very little desire to go there unless they need to buy something.

RoadkingLarry
August 27, 2008, 10:37 PM
See Security Theater (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_theater)

So I guess no steak knives in the place....

DoubleTapDrew
August 27, 2008, 10:54 PM
One of the security guards at the door noticed my pocket knife clipped to pocket and told me I could not enter with a weapon
What kind of firearms were they carrying? Did you feel comfortable with your safety in their hands?
Are the RNC conventions so enthralled with security theater? I've never been to either.

ScottE
August 27, 2008, 11:13 PM
"What kind of firearms were they carrying? Did you feel comfortable with your safety in their hands?
Are the RNC conventions so enthralled with security theater? I've never been to either."


I hear what you are saying, and no, the security guards were not packing, but security was not necessarily a big concern. Federal and local LEO's were plentyful. Cops on dirtbikes, bicycles, Harleys, ATV's, SUV's, cars, foot, were everywhere. The restaurant/bar was only about half full while every other place was packed (which is why I stopped there). If it had been any other week of the year (i.e. not DNC), I would have been CCW.

It's just a dumb policy by a national restaurant chain with overpaid, bored lawyers. I imagine you can expect similar at the RNC.

Scott

230RN
August 27, 2008, 11:55 PM
Has to be over 3.5" to be a weapon here.

The dot-gov regs have it as 2" in federal buildings.

I've been telecommuting all week this week, but I've got to go in tomorrow for about an hour to check something out.

Ain't lookin' forward to it. I cleaned out my car, my pack, and pockets for anything that could be remotely "defined" as a weapon.

Stark nekkid, I'll be.

Hope there are no empty cases floating around in my vehicle.

jakemccoy
August 28, 2008, 12:00 AM
I don't subscribe to the idea of "security is not a big concern and therefore I don't need to carry." My main purpose for carrying would be to handle imminent threats that require a split second response. The LEO's are only able to address threats on a grand scale. They are unable to protect me as an individual. I'm not putting them down. I'm just saying that it's not possible if somebody is intent on harming me specifically.

Having said all that, I do understand the concept of just not wanting to deal with any hassle from a LEO.

rondog
August 28, 2008, 12:33 AM
Besides, CCW is actually illegal in the City of Denver. I do it everyday, but I recently found out that Denver has a law against it. Everywhere else in the state is OK, just not the actual city of Denver. Thankfully, it's not really that big, it's all the surrounding towns/cities that make the whole area huge. But, I work right in the heart of the mess.

hkOrion
August 28, 2008, 12:37 AM
Besides, CCW is actually illegal in the City of Denver.

Please post the statute! Open Carry is prohibited in the City and County of Denver, CCW with a valid permit is perfectly legal.

Zundfolge
August 28, 2008, 12:41 AM
Besides, CCW is actually illegal in the City of Denver
Denver tried to outlaw CCW in its borders, but the State Supreme Court smacked Hickenlooper's widdle hand and overturned their silly ban. Their equally silly AWB is still in place, but it only applies to people that live there.

schloe
August 28, 2008, 12:54 AM
CCW is most certainly NOT ILLEGAL in Denver

230RN
August 28, 2008, 09:40 AM
Yeah, CCW is legal in Denver. But I ain't packin' when I go into town this AM, that's fer suuuuure.

XDKingslayer
August 28, 2008, 09:48 AM
So you couldn't take a knife into a building full of knives...

Treo
August 28, 2008, 01:01 PM
I'm one of those that avoids Denver if at all possible, that said it would never occur to me not to carry if I had to go.

I think it's kinda scary that people who know their rights are afraid to excersise them. What can they do, charge you W/ legally carrying a concealed weapon?

FourTeeFive
August 28, 2008, 01:13 PM
I hear people slamming Seattle all the time for being liberal, but we've got it good compared to Denver! Crazy stuff for a "mountain" state.

leadcounsel
August 28, 2008, 01:21 PM
I would have surrendered the knife, gone in and found the manager or owner and told him that the incident cost his business X number or $ and then taken my knife and business elsewhere.

Flyboy
August 28, 2008, 01:36 PM
I'd like to know who has the authority to enact "rules" more restrictive than the laws passed by the legislature just because a big party is in town.

I understand SS security for the candidate comes under Federal jurisdiction, but he wasn't around yesterday. On whose authority are these restrictions of liberty being enacted?

ScottE
August 28, 2008, 01:36 PM
I think this has less to do with Denver, and more to do with all the previous riots at the DNC's and RNC's. This restaurant is a national chain (Bubba Gump Shrimp), and was obviously planning on having trouble considering the amount of security. Management, in my opinion, is more to blame than city officials. I walked past dozens of LEO's with my knife clipped to my pocket, and no one batted an eye.

This thread was not intended to bash Colorado, Denver, DNC officials, or any one other than restaurant management. I have never considered my little knife to be a weapon, and was just trying to get an idea if this was something that happens regularly.

Scott

Echo Tango
August 28, 2008, 01:56 PM
I have to travel to Denver( see Aurora) this week for work and I am kind of dreading it. I usually travel with a firearm, I can't see that happening this week. Already one hunter was detained( i dont know if he was arrested or being held/charged) for checking into a hotel with a cased rifle.

Owen
August 28, 2008, 01:59 PM
hkOrion, tone it down

swifteagle
August 28, 2008, 02:48 PM
Echo Tango said: I have to travel to Denver( see Aurora) this week for work and I am kind of dreading it. I usually travel with a firearm, I can't see that happening this week. Already one hunter was detained( i dont know if he was arrested or being held/charged) for checking into a hotel with a cased rifle.

I believe I had read that the Hunter was booked for having handguns in his luggage bags without having a CCW permit. I don't know what the law is in Colorado, but in many States the law requires that guns be carried in obviously marked gun cases rather than normal luggage, unless you have a CCW permit.

Anyone know what the law is in Colorado on how to "properly" store a gun so that it is not considered concealed?

hkOrion
August 28, 2008, 04:39 PM
I believe I had read that the Hunter was booked for having handguns in his luggage bags without having a CCW permit.

I read on another site that he actually had a pistol IWB without a permit. That report came from the spouse of a DPD officer (that's what they stated). If so, then it's a good arrest. If not, then who knows.

230RN
August 28, 2008, 04:56 PM
I got back around noon-thirty from a necessary trip to a downtown office within a couple hundred feet of the MSNBC pavilion.

Uniforms everywhere, mostly armed, on that end of the 16th Street Mall, nearest the bus and train station and the Pepsi Center, along with cars and dogs.

Believe me, I wasn't worried about any personal attacks.

The old saw about swinging a cat came to mind.

And also believe me, this was not the time or place to "test your rights."

Sad but true.

And sad but practical.

230RN said that.

Jeff White
August 28, 2008, 05:09 PM
This story would have been funnier if you'd have been packing ... leaving the knife with the door guy but walking in with your concealed handgun.

Security Theater at its finest.

That exact thing happened to me a couple years ago at the courthouse. I had an appointment in the States Attorney's office to discuss a case. I walked up to the metal detector, showed the female corrections officer who was working overtime at the security checkpoint my badge and ID, she waved me through, but before I got past her she noticed the clip from my Emerson CQC8 and said;

"You have to leave your knife with me."

I stopped, thought for a minute and quietly said,

"Cindy, you're going to let me take my gun in, but not my knife?"

She thought about it for a minute and told me to go on in. Later I mentioned this to a Sergeant on the Sheriff's Dept and he laughed and said he guess that she thought it was ok to shoot someone in the courthouse, but had a problem with people being stabbed there.

People just don't think......She had probably been holding pocket knives all day and it never registered with her that also had a firearm on me.

Jeff

ScottyT
August 28, 2008, 05:17 PM
This story would have been funnier if you'd have been packing ... leaving the knife with the door guy but walking in with your concealed handgun.

Security Theater at its finest.

That has happened to me! I was going to a party with some out of town friends at a bar downtown (I don't drink, fyi) and the security guy noticed my multi-tool in a pouch on my belt. He made me take it off and leave it at the door -- I would have just left if I was there alone or just with the wife or something, but I couldn't bail on my friends that I only see once a year. We go in and sit down when, about 20 minutes into the conversation one of the out-of-towners asks if I really had to give up my knife at the door. I say yes, then he asks, "But don't you always carry a gun too?" I just throw him a little knowing smile and he thought it was the funniest thing ever!

RobNDenver
August 28, 2008, 09:39 PM
You think you have it bad in Denver?? Check this out in St Paul. . .

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/collections/special/columns/convention_beat/archive/2008/08/a_choice_of_weapons.shtml

dalepres
August 28, 2008, 09:46 PM
And having your knife confiscated is exactly why you should have had your CCW.

rondog
August 28, 2008, 10:05 PM
Please post the statute! Open Carry is prohibited in the City and County of Denver, CCW with a valid permit is perfectly legal.

Boy, I'm glad to hear this! I guess I was mistaken, must have been the OC thing I'd heard was illegal. Now I don't have to worry about carrying anymore? Sweet! Been doing it every day anyway, just scared that I'd get "made" and caught. Too many maggots on the streets near my office to NOT carry, IMO. I frequently have to be downtown after midnight too. Being old and fat, with two bad knees, makes me feel like an easy target. A target with a surprise under my shirttail.

SomeKid
August 28, 2008, 10:38 PM
Rob,

If I was a photographer with a few photographer friends I would be willing to spend days on end walking around taking random worthless pictures while my friend stayed quietly a distance behind me, and took evidence via photographs/video of my rights being violated. I would need never to work again.

dalepres
August 29, 2008, 12:18 AM
I would need never to work again.

I agree that the infringement of the first amendment is as offensive as infringements on the second amendment but I can't help but chuckling at all of the comments people post here about never having to work again or going to own the place that didn't let them carry or whatever lawsuit comes to mind.

First off, I don't see a lot of juries giving money in lawsuits to gunowners. And I don't see any of those talking about them ever really filing them.

cassandrasdaddy
August 29, 2008, 12:31 AM
"First off, I don't see a lot of juries giving money in lawsuits to gunowners. And I don't see any of those talking about them ever really filing them"

and its not that hard to file

all smoke

SomeKid
August 29, 2008, 12:35 AM
dale,

First, it would not be a gun related lawsuit.

Two, I have yet to be violated in such a manner that enabled me to file. Re-read my post, and you see the circumstances I laid out.

Checkman
September 10, 2008, 09:49 PM
Unless of course your friend talked and told them what you had been doing. Might make your milk and honey lawsuit somewhat harder to achieve.

SomeKid
September 10, 2008, 09:53 PM
If my friend did his job right he wouldn't be involved, and wouldn't have to talk at all.

Checkman
September 10, 2008, 10:01 PM
Well Somekid I guess we'll have to agree to disgree. I've worked with Secret Service on fruad investigations in the past and those folks are failry sharp and have some fairly extensive resources.

Yep you guessed it I'm a goverment agent. I'm also a gunowner - long before I became a goverment agent.

SomeKid
September 10, 2008, 10:02 PM
Checkman, explain to me what is fraudulent about what I proposed?

cassandrasdaddy
September 10, 2008, 10:05 PM
"Rob,

If I was a photographer with a few photographer friends I would be willing to spend days on end walking around taking random worthless pictures while my friend stayed quietly a distance behind me, and took evidence via photographs/video of my rights being violated. I would need never to work again."


don't do it! we have a shortage of nurses, finish school

Checkman
September 10, 2008, 10:36 PM
SomeKid

Checkman, explain to me what is fraudulent about what I proposed?

Beats me, just telling you that I've worked cases in past with the SC and I've sen them in action. They're good investigators. Trust me you'd be looked at.

Also Federal Code is very different from most state codes. Who the heck can say whether or not they would get you for some type of obscure Federal statute? I agree with some of the other posters. Stay the heck away from any type of activity with lots of Federal security. That's a whole different animal. Unless you enjoy heartburn.

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