WASR-10 Battlefield longevity and reliability Same as original AK?


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Curiousity
August 28, 2008, 04:45 AM
Basically i want to know and start a debate on the Wasr-10 if it is combat effective, will it last on the battlefield or will its low quality not prove to be as reliable as the russian AK?

Please let me know, i am buying so many saigas, but i want an AK-47 looking Rifle and saigas just don't cut it, even after the conversion. The only thing that concerns me is that it might not last as long in the battlefield as the Saiga...

What do you think>

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mordechaianiliewicz
August 28, 2008, 04:57 AM
Well, that's hard to say, but I'd bet it would last plenty long. Only issue is that it isn't a very accurate weapon.

MTMilitiaman
August 28, 2008, 04:59 AM
I have done terrible, terrible things to mine that I do not wish to repeat nor speak of in public, yet that ~8 lbs masochistic hunk of stamped sheet metal and polymer actually seems to enjoy it.

I am convinced that when the world ends, all that will be left are the cockroaches and AKs, and I am not sure it matters what type of AK it is any more than it matters what type of cockroach it is. They may not all be created equal, but they will all long outlive us humans.

ZombiesAhead
August 28, 2008, 05:12 AM
I can't think why they wouldn't hold up just as well unless one of the US parts was inferior (grip, trigger assembly, etc). If you have the means, pick up a spare parts kit for $25 as I did.

http://www.dsarms.com/prodinfo.asp?number=KVARAK1

"Romanian 7.62x39mm Maintenance Kit. Includes recoil spring, firing pin, extractor, extractor spring, trigger/hammer spring and disconnector spring"

Curiousity
August 28, 2008, 05:36 AM
So it seems to be that all AK rifles will be as dependable as what they are trying to imitate, the Original Russian AK. Doesn't matter who made it. They will all be reliable and dependable.

Hmmmmm, The WASR-10 is sounding real nice now.

Curiousity
August 28, 2008, 02:58 PM
Anyone care to chime in?

MAX100
August 28, 2008, 03:06 PM
I will chime in with this torture test review that was done on the WASR-10.

WASR-10 Torture Test Review:

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/79010/firearm_review_romanian_ak47_variant.html



GC

collateral
August 28, 2008, 03:07 PM
there were several weekends where I put 1000 rounds through my wasr, and it held up really well. I did clean it often, which can't hurt. but it did have a really high round count on it.

El Tejon
August 28, 2008, 03:29 PM
My brother intentionally set an Egyptian AK on fire. The gun still works even though he refuses to clean or lube it (against the urging of his brother).:uhoh:

TexasRifleman
August 28, 2008, 03:32 PM
I've never said a kind word about my WASR-10 since I got it.

I can't stand the thing, it shoots Minute of Barn........

That said, I don't know that there is anything I could do to it to stop it from running short of taking it apart.

Without an actual breakage I don't see any reason why one would ever fail any more often than the "real deal"

I do worry about the US made parts, a couple of them look like MIM.

Not that MIM is bad, that's a whole religious debate in itself.....

HorseSoldier
August 28, 2008, 03:37 PM
So it seems to be that all AK rifles will be as dependable as what they are trying to imitate, the Original Russian AK. Doesn't matter who made it. They will all be reliable and dependable.

As an initial note: AK reliability is heavily overstated on the internet. They're solid guns (if made properly), but if you've never had one jam or seen one jam, you've never really pushed them hard.

That said, if the parts have correct clearances and tolerances, an AK should run whether it was made in Russia, Romania, or in a shed on the Pakistani border. The other question would be whether the Romanians (or whoever, to include US compliance parts) cut any corners using cheaper steel or other materials where it matters, etc. If they did, you might see failures being more common later in the lifespan of the weapon. I'm not saying the Romanians do so, but only that that might be a second issue on longevity and dependability of their AKs.

Picard
August 28, 2008, 03:49 PM
I think that says it. An AK is an AK, no matter who makes it, it will be durable.

pgeleven
August 28, 2008, 05:34 PM
there were several weekends where I put 1000 rounds through my wasr, and it held up really well

and that thing didnt burst into flames? i pump about 3 mags through mine in the course of an hour and im afraid it will set the ground on fire when i set it down.

texfed
August 28, 2008, 05:44 PM
I've had my wasr-10 since the ban expired..only reason I got it was a great deal. I really had no use for it. Well, this puppy can get 1/2-3/4 inch groups at 100yards from a rest on Rusky optics, has never jammed on the crap ammo I have for it..and has cases of ammo shot thru it over the years. Not bad for a Century Arms nearly freebe. Still looks new too. By the way....in spite of everything...it's not on my to die for list!
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e388/texfed/ak76.jpg

The Deer Hunter
August 28, 2008, 06:34 PM
I think as long as it is pointy and goes boom it will remain on the battlefield, whatever and wherever that is.

theken206
August 28, 2008, 06:55 PM
ive abused mine something fierce over the last three years and shes still running like the day I got her.

lots of snow and ice, LOTS of gritty dirt and muck and mud and still going strong with good mags and ammo

Bartkowski
August 28, 2008, 07:38 PM
1/2-3/4 inch groups at 100yards

I'll believe that when I see it.

If it's true you have one of a kind.

goldie
August 28, 2008, 09:13 PM
i bought one last year for 400.00,at 50 yards with a red dot sight,i can keep all shots pretty well inside a pie plate. it was never meant to be a tackdriver,but for the money,its rugged,reliable,will chamber & fire anything you feed it.i think its a bargain priced gun,& i would highly recommend it.

kcshooter
August 28, 2008, 10:00 PM
I've put over 500rounds thru mine is a session. It handled that just fine.

That said, I've never been on the battlefield with it.....

Prince Yamato
August 28, 2008, 10:13 PM
Just to be clear, it's not that AKs don't have issues, it's just that in the very rare instances they do, the problem can usually be traced to something other than the rifle, like bad ammo or a Promag magazine.

collateral
August 28, 2008, 10:18 PM
no, it never set fire. the handguards have been smoking very bad before, but keep in mind, I didn't shoot 1000 rounds all at once. it was over the course of 2 or 3 days.

I only ever fed it wolf and golden tiger.

W.E.G.
August 29, 2008, 12:42 AM
Usually much longer than the mortals who bear them.

Curiousity
August 29, 2008, 04:06 AM
Some very clear opinions, they are just opinions. They do make you think and i agree with most of you folks here, some great information.

Thank you for making this an enjoyable thread for me.

MAX100 Thank you for the wonderful review, the torture test was a nice article.

pgeleven
August 29, 2008, 04:54 AM
i call bull on the 1/2-3/4 groups. im sorry but it just doesnt seem feasable to me. i am no 'sniper' but ill take a 3 inch group at 100 yards any day with my WASR and call it impressive

kcshooter
August 29, 2008, 02:30 PM
i am no 'sniper' but ill take a 3 inch group at 100 yards any day with my WASR Heck, I keep 6-8" groups at 100 yds and thought that was impressive. Guess not. However, it's still all the accuracy I need out of one.

Paladin_Hammer
August 29, 2008, 02:39 PM
I'm not so sure why you'd want a WASR-10 on a battlefield (1. being what Battlefield exactly are you on? 2. being that the WASR is semi-automatic, which the original AK is).

dglockster
August 29, 2008, 02:44 PM
http://www.warriortalk.com/showthread.php?t=33277 talks about the accuracy of a stock WASR out to 600 yards. Pretty interesting.

KBintheSLC
August 29, 2008, 04:06 PM
I don't see why it would not work on the battlefield. A lot of guerrilla fighters around the world are fighting with even crappier home-made AK's and they seem to still work. WASR's are ugly, canted, and did I mention ugly... but they do go bang, and if you learn your weapon's POI/POA, I see no reason why you cant make good long range shots with one.

Dave R
August 29, 2008, 10:29 PM
As an initial note: AK reliability is heavily overstated on the internet. They're solid guns (if made properly), but if you've never had one jam or seen one jam, you've never really pushed them hard.I disagree. My experience is that they really do run under almost any circumstances. I own one, and have friends who own. We tend to agree--they won't break, but they won't win accuracy contests, either.

Mine will CONSISTENTLY shoot 1-2MOA....from a stone cold barrel. After it warms, 4-6MOA depending on ammo. 6MOA with Wolf, 4MOA with anything better.

yesit'sloaded
August 29, 2008, 10:35 PM
Seems like my magic MOA SKS has a few soviet designed buddies in the "I don't believe that gun shot those groups" club.

VegasOPM
August 29, 2008, 11:01 PM
My WASR couldn't get through an entire mag without a jam when I first bought it...:mad: I then put my mechanical skills to the task and figured out what wasn't working. First off, the feed ramp was so roughly machined that the tips of the bullets were catching in the mill marks. Second off, neither of the mag followers were clearanced correctly. They would bind up towards the end of the capacity.

15 minutes with a Dremel polished up the feed ramp and ground the offending material from the mag followers. No problems now. As for accuracy- all I care about is being able to keep to a 6" group at 50 yds, offhand. Mine does that just fine.


As for a TEOTWAWKI rifle, I like my HK 91. I can't convince it not to work.

sarduy
August 29, 2008, 11:39 PM
my AK is Minute of watermellon at 300 yards lol

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