FNH FN .45 or S&W M&P .45


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wow6599
August 28, 2008, 08:11 PM
I am thinking of buying a FNP 45, but I can't find one to handle anywhere near me. Funny thing is their service department for US operations is in Arnold, MO - about 30 minutes from my house. I am ready to pull the trigger, but need some thoughts on this gun from folks who have held one or shot one. I did call FN today and found out it's a modular gun, so the rails can be replaced after 20,000-30,000 rounds and you have a "new gun" basically. I also like the SA/DA operation. Cons - No holsters or night sights and only a 5 year warrantty. Smith and Wesson .45 or FNH FN .45? Both are around $500, but the FNP comes with (3) 14 rd mags and the S&W comes with (2) 10 rd mags. Help me out figure this one out before my wife changes her mind. She can be MEAN!;)

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Chuck Perry
August 28, 2008, 09:20 PM
You really need to at least hold each and try the triggers before purchasing either. To me the FN's are very blocky and not comfortable, but you may find the opposite. As far as FN accessories, those will come in time. Surely FN, if noone else, will make night sights available, and there are any number of holster makers who should be able to make something up for you.

Beagle-zebub
August 28, 2008, 09:21 PM
You might want to handle the FN. It's a big-honkin' pistol, and is supposedly "top heavy."

Anyway, as to holsters, if you read enough reviews of that pistol, at least one will address that question, I'd have to think. (Unless you've already checked that angle, in which case I'll say, "well! Aren't you a sharp feller.")

JaxNovice
August 28, 2008, 09:31 PM
As much as I love FN I have to go with the M&P. The FN is a huge gun that Shaq would have a hard time reaching the trigger.

velobard
August 29, 2008, 01:06 AM
They have an FNP45 on display at the Bass Pro in St Charles. That might be within range for you. I had a chance to handle it last Friday. It is a big gun, but it fits in my hand very nicely. Unfortunately, as is standard for BP, they have trigger locks installed and you can't try out the trigger. :( Still, I admit I'm lusting for one now. FWIW, I also own an M&P9, but for a big 45 I'd go for the FNP over an M&P if I had to pick today.

As for the warranty, I doubt you'd have any worries about long-term support. The Browning service center is fantastic about that. Just last week I picked up my A-5 shotgun on a one-day turnaround. They replaced the firing pin and a couple other things, all under warranty. Earlier this year they replaced the recoil and action springs, ejectors and ejector spring, along with some other parts, all under warranty. The gun is from 1956, has a later Japanese barrel, and I've been open about the fact I've owned it less than a year. Browning backs up their products. I've essentially had the gun rebuilt and it didn't cost me a cent. :cool:

As for the earlier comment that it's top heavy, remember that it holds 14 rounds in the mag. You want some weight to counter that.

Smurfslayer
August 29, 2008, 02:12 PM
As much as I love FN I have to go with the M&P. The FN is a huge gun that Shaq would have a hard time reaching the trigger.

No... it's not. It's not even close to that big. In fact, it's not even half as big as that description. It is a full size double action 'service' type handgun and it is dimensionally similar to an HK USP 45, and smaller (IMO, I have seen them side by side) than the Gl*ck f/s .45ACP.

Large? yes, it is by medium or large "wundernine" standards. Compared to the M&P, the FN is larger and the grip / trigger reach is more, but not unmanageably so.

Really, you have to handle them both to see what works for you.

Deanimator
August 29, 2008, 04:33 PM
No... it's not. It's not even close to that big. In fact, it's not even half as big as that description. It is a full size double action 'service' type handgun and it is dimensionally similar to an HK USP 45, and smaller (IMO, I have seen them side by side) than the Gl*ck f/s .45ACP.
I handled one at last week's gunshow here. I was surprised at how comfortable it was for a D/A, double column .45. I found it more comfortable than a 9x19mm CZ75B.

NG VI
August 29, 2008, 05:39 PM
As far as holsters go, my FNP9-m fits my USP .40 MTAC perfectly, except that the shell is a little longer than I need it. I bet the USP .45 MTAC shell would take the FNP45 perfectly.

Shipwreck
August 29, 2008, 07:12 PM
I do not have an FNP45 - but I do have a 9mm one. I've also rented the M&P45. I just do not like that M&P trigger (I've also rented a 9mm one).

In all the reviews I have read of the FNP, with the right amo, the magazines show sub 2" groups. That is really awesome. I'd get the FNP

Peter Gun
August 31, 2008, 02:29 PM
I have the fnp 45. Its a great gun.
It is a big gun, but the grip is not as big as you would expect. I use the smaller grip backstrap and it works well for my medium hands.
It is top heavy like any large polymer framed pistol, but keep in mind that 14rnds of .45 in the mag counterbalances nicely.
The trigger is very nice, very comparable to my sig.
They are available w/ night sights and I think it is Meprolight that sells after market as well. Holsters are still limited, but there are some out there. Im using a uncle mikes #5 (full size auto) and it works ok.
My only complaint is that i think my sights are off. I maybe still need more practice, but I think I need a slight windage adjustment.

George Hill
August 31, 2008, 09:11 PM
I like the FNH P45 much better than I like all other poly framed guns.

duewest
August 31, 2008, 09:39 PM
try the HK45

Peter Gun
September 1, 2008, 11:35 AM
sure... for $1000

Prepster
September 1, 2008, 12:05 PM
I vote for an XD .45 :p

The FNP-45 is a fine shooter, but I could see it being awkward for some as it is large and thick. I don't know about the M&P, but FNH does make excellent pistols.

12131
September 1, 2008, 08:21 PM
Neither.

neviander
September 1, 2008, 10:29 PM
Elite Match! *the crowd looks around and sees only a closing exit door*

MMMike
September 1, 2008, 11:14 PM
The grip is long, but not that fat. The slide is very big though.
I really like the FNP45, it's an all around great gun

FNP45 vs. FNP9
http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii80/mmmike_photos/945-4.jpg

At half the price of the HK, the choice is easy.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=108964133

J32A2
September 2, 2008, 12:29 AM
FNP!!

Disaster
September 2, 2008, 01:38 AM
The FNP45 would be better compared to the Sig 220 with it's DA/SA modes and frame mounted decocker.

The HK offers the ability to carry the gun cocked and locked...which avoids having to shoot the first shot DA.

The S&W M&P and the Springfield XP can be carried cocked and locked but are striker fired with no ability to decock and shoot in "DA" mode and no second strike capability.

Glock 21 is similar to the S&W and XP but with no additional manual safety.

The HK is unique in offering either carry method, DA or cocked and locked.

Additionally, the HK has a recoil reduction system, that helps reduce the perceived recoil feel.

The M&P and and Glock have low bore axis which also reduces perceived recoil and muzzle flip, allowing faster second shot target acquisition.

Did that help...or muddy it more?

Art SC
December 2, 2008, 10:06 PM
I have size 8.5 hands (surgical glove). Here I am holding my FNP-45 USG. As you can see, it's hardly "overly" large in my hands. With mags in the well I didn't find it top heavy or hard to shoot even with the tac light attached.

http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp347/ArtSC/FNP45/IMG_0765.jpg

Although known throughout the world, FN is not as well known to Americans who have not served in the military...and even then the company is more known to those in the Combat branches of the various US Armed Services.

FN's reputation for quality, customer satisfaction and service is second to none. And, lately, they're becoming even more reknowned for their "blue collar" prices of their FNP sidearms...all made in the USA!

I'm for the FNP-45 USG!

The FNP-45 USG is a combat handgun that is proving to be Good to Go" right out of the case. It holds 14+1 rounds with the regular magazines, 15+1 rounds with the extended mag (shown below). All FNP's come with three magazines. The FNP-45 USG comes with two 14 rd mags and one 15 rounder. The 1913 front rail can hold tac lights (also shown). The perceived recoil is repeatedly reported to be equal to or less than most 9mm auto-loaders. The selector switch is both Safety and Decocker allowing one to carry "Cocked & Locked." The grip needs no "add-ons" for dependable handling. And it's selling from $485-$550 around the nation.

Feel free to read my initial
FNP-45 USG Range/Performance Review
by clicking this link:

http://www.fnforum.net/viewtopic.php?t=11602

And I managed to get her for under $400...but that's another story!
Here's my big Girl!

http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp347/ArtSC/FNP45/IMG_0754.jpg

jmellow
December 4, 2008, 04:10 AM
I love my FNP-45 It is my first gun and I was shooting the hell out of the targets crotch, but once I started pulling the trigger fast and not slowly pulling it, I was stone cold killer 10 out of 14 in the bullseye at 15 yds. The gun feels very SOLID and yeah it is hard to find accessories for it. I am a bit obsessed about buying mil spec products and worst case scenario perfomers. I am too fat to be in the military so I buy mil spec stuff sot satisfy my obsession with military for now LOL. My gun DID come with a holster a really nice bladetech? I got it at basspro came with a lock, 3 mags, and a bladetech holster set. And some yellow plastic thing in the shape of the barrel, don't know what it does though. Anyways the shooting is nice, and I like that there is no safeties, just chamber it and pull it. I would say go with the FNP but then again im a newbie somewhat although I have shot guns before quite a bit, this is my first one. It's not too big for my small fat hands...so give it a whirl

powermad
December 5, 2008, 07:07 AM
The FN is a huge gun that Shaq would have a hard time reaching the trigger.

You have not seen one have you?

I wear large/size 10 Mechanix gloves. Medium size nitrile gloves.
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m178/powermad69/P1010119.jpg

No problems here reaching the trigger. :rolleyes:

krs
December 5, 2008, 11:19 AM
Can anyone give a hands-on (meaning no BS and you've physically handled both pistols personally) size comparison of the FNP45 and the Springfield Armory XD45 Tactical pistols?

I have an SA XD45 Tactical and it is a big pistol, IMO, but all I have to compare it to are 1911's, a S&W MP9, and a Glock 19, but the XD45 is so large that I'm often thinking of replacing it even though it's a good shooter.

KaliS-Pugilist
December 18, 2008, 12:23 AM
i have/had all three of the firearms in question: the XD45-compact, the m&p45 mid (recent stolen actually); FNP45 (stainless). all 3 are fine firearms and i would say that the m&p was my least favorite of the 3. so far i shoot the best with the XD45, that is likely due to familiarity with the XD and also because i have just been shooting it better. i have only fired the FNP45 about 100 rounds, compared to about 2k on the XD45. i will say that i shot just as good if not better with the FNP on my first experience with it and truly believe that i will be better with it after another 200 to 300 rounds, no doubt. the FNP really does feel like a 9mm, no BS. i was skeptical but change my tune after about 15 rounds. the DA trigger is a beast, but the SA is very short and crisp...almost scary.

with regards to size, the FNP45 is a bonafide tank...in every way a handgun could be. and that is not a bad thing either. this is not a gun for those who want something ultra concealable or worried about printing when carrying concealed. the XD is longer as the barrel is 5" and the FNP barrel is 4.5", but overall the FNP is just a bit shorter. its a nice length that doesn't make the gun feel too long, i think that the XD tactical is too long for my taste. the FNP slide is heavier, it feels like your holding and impact weapon....lol. but overall the FNP is a bit heavier than the XD (compact & tactical). it is definitely heavier than the m&p midsize. the weight of the FNP is very balanced and distributes well, you dont notice it that much until you field strip and hold the slide by itself...the frame is super light. the m&p is definitely the slimmer of all 3 guns and the shorter. it also has the most recoil and is the least accurate (IMO). the FNP is smaller than both the HK USP45 and that Glock 45 in comparison. so don't be fooled by those who say that it is too big, it isn't. i may very well be the best polymer 45 on the market....although the new HK45 gives it a run for the money (also cost nearly 2x as much).

if you are not worried about concealing the firearm and more concerned with capacity & build, i would put them in this order:
1) FNP45
2) XD45
3) M&P45

if concealment (size) is an issue:
1) XD45 compact (10 to 13 rounds of 45...nuff said)
2) M&P45 midsize or compact (although it is smaller than the XD, not much)
3) don't go with the FNP...find another gun (maybe go with the taurus PT-145 Pro, if it were in the conversation i would move it to #1 or #2 here)

if you look at accuracy and recoil (low), then:
1) FNP (the weight of this gun makes the difference)
2) XD
3) M&P

ergonomics and overall feel (grip):
1) M&P
2) XD
3) FNP (would tie XD if not for super rough checkering on the grip)

looks...come'on, you know we care how kewl it looks, lol:
1) FNP...just a bad ass lookin gun. kinda like a chevy avalanche...
2) XD and M&P (tie)

if you want the best all around polymer 45 and the most for your money (IMHO)....then go with the FNP 45, you will not be disappointed. i love all three guns, you really can't go wrong. get them all if you are a 45 fan, just spread it out. they are all good guns.

on a concealability note, both a friend and myself have been able to conceal the FNP well. it takes a change in your attire if you wear really fitting clothes...im a big guy and wear everything loose. i would do IWB in the summer and OWB in the winter with it. my FNP came with the shooters pack, which has a blade-tech belt/paddle holster included. the length of the FNP isn't really the issue at all, the real issue with regards to the size is that the FNP is a THICK gun. the slide is well built, but thick as a brick. the grip is fairly think as well, but i didn't find it too difficult to get a proper hold on it. i have short fat hands, average length likely, and find it ok for me. my partner has large hands and he feels like it was made for him.

the best thing to do is to handle it and maybe try it in a holster if there is one available that fits. one thing to remember is that this tank holds a total of 15 rounds!!! so add that to the weight if concealing.

my FNP cost $575, stainless with the shooters pack and other goodies.

p.s.: that yellow plastic barrel is actually a training barrel...lol.

Orange_Magnum
December 18, 2008, 10:27 AM
Maybe the fnp-40 is smaller and fits your hand better? Same power.

gglass
December 18, 2008, 11:03 AM
M&P 45

Here are some recent reviews:

* http://www.gun-tests.com/issues/20_1/features/Full-Size-Pistol-Comparison5574-1.html
* http://www.defensereview.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=777
* http://www.handgunsmag.com/featured_handguns/polysh_032707/
* http://www.shootingtimes.com/handgun_reviews/mp_080806/
* http://www.handgunsmag.com/featured_handguns/swmp_032906/
* http://www.policelink.com/products/products/368-smith-wesson-mp-40

2007 Gun of the Year (M&P 45)

My .40 version
http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/1112/mymp40pc2.jpg

tttucker24
February 5, 2010, 10:13 AM
I recently purchased an FN 5.7, and a FN .45. I'm not new to automatics, I've got several .45's. Everything from Colt Gold Cups, to AMT and Springfield.

The FN is my .45 of choice. I love the double action capability, the high capacity mags, and the recoil seems to be straight back rather than kicking "up". I shot 15 rounds, very quickly, and hit a 12"x12" target at 50' with all 15 rounds. That's very good for me, but the recoil on the FN makes target acquistion very easy. I fired 150 rounds and never had any problems.
The clips have a very strong spring and it's difficult to load them by hand. I purchased a Uplula Universal pistol loader and it makes loading the clips quick and easy.

Installed on my FN .45 is a Viridian x5l laser sight/night light. I was a bit disappointed at my grouping at 75' with the laser system. I can't honestly say whether it was me or the system.... I'd shoot 4 shots or so in a 1.5" group, then throw one 3" out of bullseye. Then the next couple of shots would be in tight with the thrown shot... So either I had mechanical "loosness" in the system, or I was repeating the moves that made the shot pattern change.

In all, the FN is my favorite .45. Fit's my hand well, is not at all uncomfortable (to me) like some of the previous posts suggest. But I personally like a big pistol vs. (for example) my Colt Combat Commander.

I've got a few dozen pistols. If I knew I was going to use one tonight, I'd take the FN .45 without question.

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